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November 2012 - losing sleep and losing weight

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StuntNun · 31/12/2012 13:26

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1640937-November-2012-sleepless-nights-aplenty

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kirrinIsland · 04/01/2013 06:59

Oh no detective Hope you managed to get to sleep. Agree that cutting out any daytime naps might help, and maybe a bath before bed?

stunt N does the small snacks at night thing too. In fact she'd do it all day as well but I'm trying to train her out of that. It's really annoying 'cos you know they'll be up again wanting more in no time but I just can't get her to eat properly overnight. Having said that, she's just gone 00.45 till now! Best night ever by far - but she was awake pretty much all day, which is unusual, so I'm not expecting a repeat any time soon!

Sophiathesnowfairy · 04/01/2013 07:17

Horrah, 11 p, till 7 am. A few snuffles around 4 but then we fell back to sleep!

Sophiathesnowfairy · 04/01/2013 07:43

Thought I would share my cradle cap success which is quite exciting. Olly had very angry cradle cap on forehead and in eyebrows,I tried dentinox but it ddn't work and I was scared to get it in his eyes.

The health visitor said just get any cream, so being a fan of Aveeno, after it worked so well on DD1, I got some Aveeno Lotion yesterday morning. I think I creamed him maybe three or four times yesterday. IT HAS GONE Grin Personally I think that is an amazing result.

If you want to get some it is the lotion that you need to get, I think there is a difference between that and the cream. Sainsburys usually stock it as well as Boots.

DesperateHousewife21 · 04/01/2013 08:05

sophia I read that (STTN) thing it was so good, and v true!

Q is 8 weeks today, going so fast!

Elizadoesdolittle · 04/01/2013 09:20

Blonder - glad your hv were supportive and good luck with the TT referral. Keep me posted.

I went out last night with my BF. She lives overseas now and is only back for Xmas and new year. E gave her dad hell. Only took 2ozs from a bottle and cried for 2 hours straight pretty much, and was sick 4 times! She's still really congested and after a really unsettled night has been asleep in her Moses basket since I got up with DD1 which is just typical. So not great on the feeding front!! Feel guilty for going out but I don't know when I'll see my friend again, not till August at least and I really wanted a child free talk with her.
Still it's done now. Mustn't beat myself up about it.

Passmethecrisps · 04/01/2013 10:47

I know what you mean eliza but it was one night. I hope you enjoyed your night out anyway.

Well, meeting my sister and her LO was lots of fun. He is a big, sturdy boy. I had a cuddle and he felt like a toddler. P felt like a doll next to him. She was worn out afterwards.

DH wants to go for a curry today - we shall see how P goes

Passmethecrisps · 04/01/2013 10:52

And was it blonder who mentioned that thread about the sleeping baby? I read that with my heart in my mouth - dreadful.

I have also been thinking about the bottle issue and the pressure on BF mums to add a bottle. I am sure it is about control. With P being poorly the docs have been very focussed on exact amounts of feed - noting daily totals and averages. Had I been BF and she had been losing weight I am not sure how supportive they would have been if I was unable to account for exact amounts.

I wonder if in their line of work the unknown entity that BF gives makes them uncomfortable?

Elizadoesdolittle · 04/01/2013 10:57

Thanks pass it was lovely to have adult time. She has two kids as well and haven't seen her for ages without the kids in tow so was really nice to have a good old gossip. Glad you had a good time with your sis. Will be lovely for P to grow up with a cousin so close in age. I don't have any cousins and would always have liked one.

misslaughalot · 04/01/2013 11:06

For those of you who haven't seen this on FB:

How to Stop Mummy Sleeping Through the Night!

OK, here's my situation. My Mummy has had me for almost 7 months. The first few months were great. I cried, she picked me up and fed me, anytime, day or night. Then something happened.

Over the last few weeks, she has been trying to STTN (sleep through the night). At first, I thought it was just a phase, but it is only getting worse. I've talked to other babies, and it seems like its pretty common after Mummies have had us for around 6 months.

Here's the thing: these Mummies don't really need to sleep. Its just a habit. Many of them have had some 30 years to sleep and they just don't need it anymore. So I am implementing a plan. I call it the
Crybaby Shuffle. It goes like this:

Night 1: cry every 3 hours until you get fed. I know, its hard. Its hard to see your Mummy upset over your crying. Just keep reminding yourself, its for her own good.

Night 2: cry every 2 hours until you get fed.

Night 3: every hour. Most Mummies will start to respond more quickly after about 3 nights. Some Mummies are more alert, and may resist the change longer. These Mummies may stand in your doorway for hours, shhhh-ing. Don?t give in. I cannot stress this enough: CONSISTENCY IS KEY!! If you let her STTN (sleep through the night), just once, she will expect it every night. I KNOW ITS HARD! But she really doesn?t need the sleep, she?s just resisting the change.

If you have an especially alert Mummy, you can stop crying for about 10 minutes, just long enough for her to go back to bed and start to fall asleep. Then cry again. It WILL eventually work. My Mummy once stayed awake for 10 hours straight, so I know she can do it. Last night, I cried every hour. You just have to decide to stick to it and just go for it. BE CONSISTENT!

I cried for any reason I could come up with. My sleep sack tickled my foot. I felt a wrinkle under the sheet. My mobile made a shadow on the wall. I burped, and it tasted like pears. I hadn?t eaten pears since lunch, what?s up with that? The cat said "meow". I should know. My Mummy reminds me of this about 20 times a day. LOL. Once I cried just because I liked how it sounded when it echoed on the monitor in the other room. Too hot, too cold, just right - doesn?t matter! Keep crying!! It took awhile, but it worked. She fed me at 4am. Tomorrow night, my goal is 3:30am. You need to slowly shorten the interval between feedings in order to reset your Mummies internal clocks.

Sometimes my Mummy will call for reinforcements by sending in Daddy. Don?t worry, Daddies are not set up for not needing sleep the way Mummies are. They can only handle a few pats and shhing before they declare defeat and send in the Mummy.

Also, be wary of the sleep sheep with rain noises. I like to give Mummy false hope that listening to the rain puts me to sleep sometimes I pretend to close my eyes and be asleep and then wait until I know Mummy is settling back to sleep to spring a surprise cry attack. If she doesn?t get to me fast enough I follow up with my fake cough and gag noise that always has her running to the crib.

At some point I am positive she will start to realise that she really doesn?t really need sleep.

P.S. Don?t let those rubber things fool you, no matter how long you suck on them, no milk will come out. Trust me.

Elizadoesdolittle · 04/01/2013 11:06

And I know what you mean re the BF issue. As E is bf and had poor weight gain and been poorly the drs have been very specific with how much milk she's taking and I just can't answer them. All I can say is how often she feeds and for how long. Which is I think why they have told me to top her up after every feed from a bottle so I can confirm how much she takes (which is nothing but that's another story).

nillynoon · 04/01/2013 11:28

Think I've got nipple thrush - mortal agony to feed and pain afterwards....phoned Dr in the hope he will write a prescription before my appointment on monday

Thechick · 04/01/2013 11:52

Pass I agree with the thought that the unknown entity of breastfeeding makes drs uncomfortable. I think they like to see everything in black and white and that just doesn't happen when you bf and its not just the milk they are getting when feeding. And I feel that if there is a weight gain issue, they should pass on bf consultants information not just say top up with formula.

StuntNun · 04/01/2013 12:01

That sucks Nilly, make sure you both get medicine for it. If you use dummies or bottles then scrub them extra thoroughly with a brush because you can get an organic film build up on them that will harbour fungal spores. Microwave sterilising for five minutes in boiling water should be sufficient to kill candida spores. FC it clears up quickly for you.

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ValiumQueen · 04/01/2013 12:22

I am brave. Just took the three kids to soft play. Obviously J did not partake. Had my mum with me as it was traumatic enough with help! We all survived. It was the first time for my 2yo so I had my heart in my mouth, but when some bigger boys refused to go back in because of her, I relaxed a little.

PetiteRaleuse · 04/01/2013 12:22

Oh watching my 11 week old baby getting her chest physio'd was horrible. Horrible bloke too actually, but as long as he knows what he is doing he doesn't have to be particularly pleasant.

DD1 keeps emptying my purse and nibbling her felt tip pens. She is better and stronger by the day.

ValiumQueen · 04/01/2013 12:24

That baby narrative is great. Definately something J has read.

horseylady · 04/01/2013 12:34

I have jumped my horse and lived!!!!

I am so happy!!!

ValiumQueen · 04/01/2013 12:38

I am happy too horsey we would miss you. I have yet to jump my husband...

ValiumQueen · 04/01/2013 12:40

PR it is good they do physio. We have had none of that. Cruel to be kind.

kirrinIsland · 04/01/2013 12:49

That's brilliant missL Grin

Well done horsey I haven't even got back on yet!

PetiteRaleuse · 04/01/2013 13:05

Well done horsey

Yes VQwe are pretty lucky over here in that doctors couldn't give a crap about costcutting so are more than happy to precribe luxuries like physio (in fact all women are given 6-8 free sessions starting from 6 weeks after childbirth to, erm, tighten things up.)

The chest physio does look horrible but she was smiling just a few minutes afterwards. He was basically loosening up all the mucus and getting her to cough it up. He'll come round again tomorrow and every day for a week, unless of course she ges worse in which case she'll be admitted. Fingers crossed tat won't happen..

FatimaLovesBread · 04/01/2013 13:11

Those of you whose babies have had thrush, what were their tongues and mouth like?

M has a white tongue which previously has been put down to milk residue. But since she's been poorly it seems whiter. Not sure whether that's because she's been feeding a bit more and being sick more so there isn't chance for it to go between feeds or if her being run down has made it develop in to thrush?
It's only on the surface of her tongue and doesn't spread round the sides or anywhere else in her mouth.
Just wary as feeding is going well so don't want that scuppered

misslaughalot · 04/01/2013 13:14

Quick question which I think someone else asked earlier but I didn't see the reply. Our Ewan sheep came today, when the rain, Hoover and harp sounds are playing I can still hear the womb sounds too. Is it faulty?

blonderthanred · 04/01/2013 13:16

You should always get the womb sounds on all the settings for that is where the magic lies.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings · 04/01/2013 13:22

Well behind on posts, so will try to catch up at some point.

Have mastitis. Got antibiotics but they need to be taken on an empty stomach (I.e 1hr before food, 2hrs after). The lack of food/snacks is almost worse than the mastitis. Other boob has a blocked duct now from not feeding and pumping yesterday, plus the 5ish hr sleep A did overnight. I've just decided to get DD looked after & go back to bed. A is taking advantage & feeding constantly!!!

Freddie stunt is right. Think the only reason they say express a feed normally is to top up after a feed with it, rather than replace a feed. I wouldn't worry (as the drop/lack of gain is small) but if you wanted to try to increase gain, there is an article on Kellymom.com. I always think the formula thing is mad - bm has more calories & is easier digested, so they feel full for less time. The exact opposite to the idea of high protein diet foods right? So what better way to gain weight??!!

PR :( hugs.

DH21 I didn't get a letter, just 1 to book 6wk check.

nilly there is a good factsheet about thrush on the LLL or BFN websites, can't remember which.