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November 2012 - sleepless nights aplenty

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StuntNun · 20/12/2012 14:49

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NervousReindeer · 30/12/2012 08:46

Good luckmdixie

blonderthanred · 30/12/2012 08:55

Candy I would agree with Chunky that it is too early for sleep training but you can try and encourage good habits through differentiating between day & night and use Ewan. I use the harp music for night feeds and the water/heartbeat for going to sleep. It's not magic but if you keep doing the same every time then they will get it. I often need 2 or 3 cycles of the noise. When you say LO won't settle, is she crying or just not going to sleep? I used to find L would only sleep on me but one night I was so tired I put him down & instead of waiting for him to (not) drop off I just fell asleep - woke up 4 hrs later. So now I trust him a bit more, and he does it. It's not helpful if your LO is screaming I know. But she will get it eventually and it's more important she feels safe and comforted now.

Det I have the Morrck wrap and I love it. Mostly use it in car seat and have pram suit in pram but have used it to help him nap in pram eg at my Mum's. The hood is massive so I tuck it under and if it's really cold and we are outside I'll put a hat on him as well.

Kyz Eric is a great name. I know 2 Dennises which are the same genre I think. Lots of people have said my baby's name (Lawrence) is old fashioned which I hadn't really thought of it as - people have different ideas about names don't they.

Dixiebell · 30/12/2012 09:15

30 mins in, first change of clothes...!

Think DS1 is abit older than your dd, PR? He's 2.3. He goes when we sit him on the potty but think it's the anticipating bit we'll have trouble with. He's been really cheeky these last few days actually. DH is currently 'negotiating' with him over a chocolate tree decoration he's just swiped..

Dixiebell · 30/12/2012 09:19

And second change!!! Haha, I'm just sitting on sofa feeding Teddy while DH deals with multiple wees and changes..! Gonna run out of clothes at this rate...

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings · 30/12/2012 09:48

You're brave Dixie. Tried potty training DD in the summer & she just kept refusing to sit on the potty, so gave up- despite it being a stupidly expensive singing duck potty. Grrr. She's 2.8 & I'm starting to feel that she's really behind because everyone I know seems to have cracked it already!!!

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings · 30/12/2012 09:55

candy DH usually does do all the cooking, but I have to do the cleaning/tidying/making house presentable-ing because he just can't/won't see the mess. At the mo, the house is an absolute shit-tip & I can't face doing anything about it. They're old friends that we rarely see, rather than good or close friends. I'm sure they'd try to help if we asked, but seeing as DH usually does lasagne (& we have Xmas pud for dessert, & could buy in other options) there's not actually a lot they could do. I think the day/night itself will be okay, despite not really wanting to do it, its just the fact he didn't discuss it with me (something that is happening a LOT lately Angry ) and the prep requires extra effort/resources I just don't want to give!!!

kirrinIsland · 30/12/2012 10:03

Good luck Dixie - I'm dreading potty training!

N has settled herself to sleep a few times but mostly she doesn't. When she wakes in the night she just gets fidgety etc - no tears - so I always leave her a bit to see if she'll drop back off. As soon as I think she's heading towards crying I get her up. With DD1 I was getting her up as soon as she whimpered and she didn't learn to self settled till she was about 12 months Blush Not making that mistake again!!

ValiumQueen · 30/12/2012 10:08

chunky re the party, I would say as he arranged it, he should do everything at least. Actually, with a newborn and a sick toddler, insist he cancels. If DD was well I would suggest you visit a friend for the night, but she is not. He must put his family first. Re the feeding in bed, I was feeding DS lying down, then finding it challenging to wind him. It does not help that I have to wriggle down to the end of the bed to get out due to the cot being attached. I cannot seem to wind him sitting up in bed. I am actually getting up and feeding him in the nursery. He gets less wind, and any wind is easier to shift. He feeds quicker too as is more awake and concentrating better. It is lovely having him within reach, and if just a comfort nip is needed, then I do that lying down. That is a habit I need to work on, but if it gives me more sleep at the moment, than I can live with it.

On potty training, DD1 did not get it until she was well past 3, and was not dry at night until she was 5. All kids are different. Do not worry my mother is trying to train DD2 against my wishes. She is putting DD on the toilet and letting her wear pull-ups at her house. I have told her not to, that it is causing mixed messages. I may need to get firm.

candy experienced parents have experience of other kids. Kids are all different, and when they are born they themselves are not experienced. I have tried everything with DS that worked with the girls, but he is having none of it. We are making very slow progress, but Ewan is helping. Being more well is helping too, as is being older, as is me not pouncing on him the second he sniffs, and actually giving him a chance to self settle.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings · 30/12/2012 10:15

kirrin I think I do the same although with DD to occupy me, DS has had to learn to be ignored a bit more (he is quite content to lay in his carrycot when he's woken up, although I think that's a shame for him if I don't try to play with him when he's awake!) & at night I try to ignore noises until they get persistent!!

DesperateHousewife21 · 30/12/2012 10:24

dixie we were going to start potty training ds in jan he'll be 2.6 in about 10 days but think we'll have a few accidents to come!

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings · 30/12/2012 10:39

Thanks VQ think I may have to give up the laying down feeds as a standard, & try to find a way to be comfy sitting up. I may have to reclaim back the nursing chair from DD's room (we're trying to find an alternate chair for milk & cuddles with her at bedtime) to that end.

As for the meal. DH has been to the Dr this morning - he has pharyngitis & possibly a chest infection too!! He may cancel...Hmm

StuntNun · 30/12/2012 10:43

Does anyone else's LO have dry skin? J's cheeks are like sandpaper. I just gave him a bath with Oilatum Jr in and put Oilatum cream on his face but it's all through his hair as well and I can't really put cream on that. Hopefully the bath additive will help as I poured lots of water over his scalp but it must be a bit uncomfortable for him to have such dry skin.

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StuntNun · 30/12/2012 11:14

No GT don't think about having another baby yet, even accidentally. I think you and your OH (and your ILs) need to find a routine first as you currently have so much to put up with. Even if pregnancy goes perfectly smoothly you will still need help with your baby due to tiredness and not being able to lift things. Just my two cents but I would wait until baby is six months before even thinking about it. I would love to go for number four but I'm going to wait until nine months and see how things stand.

You haven't done anything wrong Candy, there's plenty of time to get into good sleep habits later. Even when you have an older baby with poor sleep habits it only takes days to get into better patterns because babies are so malleable.

Chunky neither of mine ever went in the potty Hmm
When I feed J lying down I usually end up getting up to wind him half way through then lying down again to finish the feed. Don't know if it works though.

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ValiumQueen · 30/12/2012 11:23

GT having a second baby is a challenge and as stunt rightly says, there are things on the domestic front that need addressing first. Also the issues with your sleep and mood would be greatly affected by a second baby.

Today we are napping in the cot. I say we as I am currently half in the cot with him. It is pissing down so a walk was not possible, and he was overtired. I can hear DH shouting at DD2 not to eat the playdough. The joys of family life.

chunky poor DH being ill. Hopefully he will cancel.

PetiteRaleuse · 30/12/2012 11:43

LO is coughing more and more. DD1 hasn't improved or deteriorated oevrnight.

I'm going to end up with both my babies in hospital aren't I?

DH is going to have to go to work at some point. I will hopefully have DD1 home by the end of next week. Am I going to have to leave LO in hospital? DD1 won't be able to go back to creche for a while.

DH coming home for a couple of hours this afternoon. I'm not going in, not fair on anyone. Dd1 will just have to cope with being looked after by a stranger for a couple of hours. She's so weak she might not even notice anyway Sad

I'll take LO to the doctor tomorrow and Wednesday. There's no way this is a differnt virus :(

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings · 30/12/2012 11:47

DH is going to cancel!!! Thank goodness! Poor him being ill & I haven't the energy to be sympathetic not that I'm particularly loving or caring under normal circumstances. I am not one of nature's nurses.

GT I'm struggling with 2 mentally, emotionally & physically. I didn't have even a hint of pnd after DD, but this time, I'm struggling to get things in perspective (although its not pnd at all & don't want to imply it is), but if I hadn't had a chance to deal with the huge emotional upheaval from DC1 before having #2, plus lived with my PILs, I would be more of a mess. Get your relationship with your DH on a stable, post-baby track & try to resolve things as best as poss with the PILs before you add TTC/PG hormones to the mix. Just my 2p worth.

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings · 30/12/2012 11:50

Oh no PR things just aren't going your way are they? Sorry to hear your Lo is getting more poorly.

MissMummy1 · 30/12/2012 11:57

Hugs pr - focus on the small positives: she hasn't deteriorated xx I think it was you who asked about diving? I started learning in Montrose/Aberdeen last winter but gave up when I fell pregnant. My OH dives around scotland - mainly west coast but often flops into the river forth (would be rude not to given the rail bridge and shore line quite literally are a stones throw from our front door!) We're both members of BSAC and I'm determined to get my first qual by this time next year.

Chunky I can sympathise on partners not involving us in plans. Mine announced a couple of days ago that his sister and husband are flying in at about 2am tonight and staying with us 'for a few days'. They are going to the street party in edinburgh on hogmanay and basically using us as a cheap hotel. He wants to go with them and expects me to drive into the city in the small hours and pick them all up Angry . He can piss right off, I can only assume he's forgotten his daughter is less than a month old.

I'm really annoyed with him full stop. I didnt post last night as I thought I was just being tired and unreasonable but I am still annoyed this morning. I can't pin it down to any one thing but his attitude to everything (except dd, I cant fault him there apatt from the dragging her out in the middle of the night thing ) is so infuriating. When I mentioned I wasnt thrilled about his sister being here his reply was 'it's my house i'll do what i like'. I know I'm being petty and hormonal but i'm beginning to realise our relationship works well because he is at sea a lot of the time. That's no way to live surely? I am being hormonal Blush

Very self indulgent. Ignore me. Hope everyone is feeling better and having a better day than me

ValiumQueen · 30/12/2012 12:03

PR take LO to Dr ASAP I take it they have OOH service? If not, go to A&E today. If they are both in hospital then so be it. LO has already been unwell and has the underlying heart issue. I really feel for you x

ChunkyTurkeywiththetrimmings · 30/12/2012 12:03

MM having a baby changes the dynamics of a relationship. It is a tough and an adjustment period is needed even when its #2. But this is why having a baby to save a relationship never works!!! Things will settle down. But I would be peeved at sudden houseguests & being left out of celebrations etc plus expected to be a taxi too!!

GTbaby · 30/12/2012 12:11

PR. big hugs.

Thanks for ur 2 pence worth Wink I KNOW ur right an I should wait. But these are the random thoughts I have when I can't sleep. Lol
Also I have been at my mums for last week, so have had a nice week. No stresses (apart from Xmas night) n pil have become a distant memory lol.
Well not for much longer, I go back tonight so will be reminded y I should not have another Shock. I'm gona start my pill today as well.
I'm going to wait till August and then re assess. Whenever I get weak n start questioning it ill be here for ur help !

PetiteRaleuse · 30/12/2012 12:16

If DD1 wasn't ill I would assume it's just a cough. She has no fever, no excessively runny nose (no worse than usual) no difficulty breathing and is eating ok. I got DH to ask advice earlier on. I will take her to their paediatrician first thing. There's no point in her being admitted until necessary. As long as she has her appetite and no other symptoms I'd rather not expose her to other bugs iyswim. She will end up there possibly, but she may also have a much milder form of the cough. I'm trying not to panic.

Passmethecrisps · 30/12/2012 13:03

I really feel for you PR. You really have been through the mill.

I am amazed by the chat of more babies! At the moment I cannot imagine doing this again. I love P so much I could explode with it and she is generally a dead easy baby. However, I just can't see us doing this again at the moment. Who knows what the future will bring though?

P won't nap today. She got very shouty earlier and obviously needed a wee snooze but she just wouldn't. I popped her in her basket and put Ewan on but nope. However, the chill time obviously did her good because when I went over to her I got lots of smiles.

Have no idea what to do today. The weather is awful. Might head to mothercare to buy a playmat. No sure what to get though. With P's reflux something which can be propped up slightly or where she can be propped would be good.

Passmethecrisps · 30/12/2012 13:04

Oh, and p has a weird rash on her face - like wee tough spots. Doesn't seem to bother her but was wondering if anyone had any ideas

horseylady · 30/12/2012 13:11

Some people are completely stupid. Why ask for my advise then ignore it?!!! I am hoping they have taken my not so subtle 'I will not help you if you do this' and so not come near me.

I am talking horses.

I am annoyed. And annoyed at myself for being annoyed.

Sorry to the many of you having issues. Nothing to suggest I'm afraid. Ds has jabs tomorrow. Joy!