November 2012 - all the babies have arrived

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I am currently feeding from one breast, pumping from the other and mumsnetting. There's multi tasking for you

tits policy is usually to feed breast-feeding mothers, although they give you normal food, not our staples of chocolate and cake. Hope LO does not need oxygen and tube feeding for long.

pass is also in hospital with little P. They are checking out her feeding issues and could possibly be UTI. Hope it soon gets sorted

tits- thinking of you.
horsey- some people !!!!

LO is ten weeks today. I'm off into town to do Xmas shopping groan..... LO is spending time with his aunt. She loves to show him off. :) :)

Been chatting to my friend who lives on the other side of the city, she has been telling me how children in her area won't have a hot meal at Xmas. Due to the cuts.. :( :(.

Evil.

Tits huge hugs. I did laugh at being caught calling things a twat.

Between LO and DP with man flu I have had zero sleep.

Sorry to hear things are so stressful Tits, I hope you get some improvement soon. How are the rest of your family holding up with you in hospital?

J has fed eight times in the last 12 hours! He was four weeks yesterday so it doesn't seem like the right time for a growth spurt. I frightened myself last night by falling asleep while feeding him. It's so dangerous, I'll have to find the best way to stay awake tonight.

Evil I am at the cuts over there at the moment. It is children who are suffering the most. Also shocked at how many ads are on TV for short term loans. It's sad there is so much need and sad that these companies are being allowed to exploit people in need like that.

Tits and Pass, sending wishes for speedy recoveries. At least by Christmas the LOs should all be on the mend and home.

Oh, also, please don't feel you have to be at the hospital 24/7 with them. It was horrible when I had to leave LO in hospital a few weeks ago overnight, but it did me so much good to be able to have a good night's sleep. It made me feel so much stronger and able to look after LO, and chatting on here helped overcome the guilt I felt. I stopped being a tearful mess, which I was after 40 hours or so zero sleep.

I know you should have the bedroom dark and quiet for night feeds but that's when I can't keep my eyes open and worry I'll fall asleep with D in my arms - I but a brightish light on and if dh is still at work put the tv on or iPad and headphones and so far I've not dropped her lol - She might mess about going to bed in the first place but she's quiet good in the middle of the night and takes a quick 20 min feed and goes back down - hope it continues!!

Piddling down with rain here and I'm going to a friends for lunch so feeding her up so I might actually be able to eat cake nom nom!!

I have a question. Anyone else's baby a little crusty, for want of a better word?

LO has cradle cap, which I will deal with using vaseline (top tip) but she also seems to have it round her eyebrows and behind her ears. I thought behind her ears it was dried milk, cleaned it, which seemed to hurt her, then the next day it was back, and then some. Anyone got any magic solutions? Or can I put vaseline there too? Anyone know how to scrape it off without hurting them? Or should I just leave it?

Another baby with a cold here. He has thrown up all his milk this morning :(

I am ready to give up breastfeeding today! DS is crying in pain while on the breast. It's like he is so hungry, and I think I have a fast let-down, so he gulps for air, takes in loads of air as well as milk, and gets windy immediately and is too cross to drink! Then screams at me for a good hour after a feed, every feed, even though feeds are shorter and shorter now because he gets cross more and more quickly, and the only way he is calmed is by manically sucking a dummy while being rocked, and that takes hours, by which time it is almost time to feed again. He is also seriously farty-pants. I've adjusted my diet, cut out fizzy drinks (which is actually quite hard for me), but nothing works.

He is, however, a dream to wind and put down on the rare occasions I or DH has given him a bottle of formula.

Right now he is screaming at me. He's windy, but I've teased as much wind as I can out of him. He's also starving, because the recent feed was too little, but if I pop him on the breast, he takes 2 sucks, cries and draws his legs up in pain. Getting him to latch on is now really stressful.

We're also having massive sleep issues with DD - so everyone is tired and that isnt helping. If DH tells me to calm down, or that he is tired, one more time, I am going to lamp him then run away.

Sorry for venting. DS slightly calm so going to try the breast one more time before giving a bottle and starting again next feed.

Petite do not scrape. Just use Vaseline or other cream that softens and it will roll off after a while. They look awful with the cream on though. I had to stay in hospital with DS as I was feeding him and he did not have a tube. If I had been expressing I might have considered leaving him, but it was nice to have a bit of peace too.

J fed like a nutter last night until 11, then woke at 2 and 6 so worth it. YW it helps to know you are there too!

sorry, others are having a much shitter time of it - feel far too self indulgent now

tits and pass, hope you're out of hospital soon.

madame that sounds yucky. It will get better. One feed at a time is the way to go. How old is he? I think growth spurts are at 2,3,4 and 6 weeks, then 3 months, then weaning at around 5-6 months. It is so hard anyway without other kids and idiot husbands. And colds. And vomiting bugs.

madame shit is still shit [ grin] I do find it helps to know others are finding it hard too. This week DS has very nearly been on formula, and eBay. It also crossed my mind to put him in a drawer for a while.

Thanks VQ. He is bang on 6 weeks, suspect growth spurt playing its part too. Am going to keep trying, and hope he is getting enough and that shorter feeds are also a sign of improved efficiency. DD at nursery today so may pop into surestart, get him weighed, and (he feels heavy) and that should give some reassurance. But I bloody hate wind!

Wind is evil, I agree.

OK I'll attack the crustiness with the vaseline. It was the only thing that worked on DD1 and after a few times it didn't come back.

Hey TheChick I only noticed the other day that your ds and my dd were born on the same day...my dd isnt smiling yet either...had her 6wk check yesterday and her eyes are fine we just have to assume them at her corrected age like you say.

Lots of best wishes to tits and pass x

Madame that sounds like the realm of the growth spurt. Just remember his fussiness isn't him not getting enough milk - it's him upping your supply for tomorrow. I wish they could put their milk orders in, in a more endearing and less upsetting manner - but it's what his instincts are programmed to do. Try to sooth him as best as you can but accept that for the next few days you might not be able to sooth him at all times. The crying and fussiness works on your boobs and their hormones. Long term FF babies have more issues with wind than BF so don't see the bottle as a panacea in all cases. Did you read this blog post I posted - I don't know if the symptoms are the same? nurshable.com/2012/05/27/six-week-growth-spurt/

We seem to still be in the growth spurt (it can last 2 days to 2 weeks) but its less bad than early in the week i.e. he went from 1 til 5am between feeds - so it does get better.

The most stressy / fussy time seems to be during DH's bottle feed - is this because J wants to be on the boob? or is he trying to up my supply and pissed off on the bottle because he is failing in his mission to do this? Or is he reacting to DH being stressed (because he doesn't want to come and wake the cavalry - me)? Or is he just being a sleep stealing little whatsit?

I really don't want him to give up the bottle at this stage as it's so handy - we were planning on dinner out for DH's birthday (or maybe just going back to bed!) whilst a friend sits Jonas - if he won't take the bottle we can't do this. Bad timing little dude!

PR Jonas has crusty eyebrows - I'll try vaseline thanks!

tits and pass lots of love to your wee ones - hope they're on the mend super quick. Give the docs hell....

Someone asked about thrush symptoms - for us it was a fussy baby squealing during feeds, with white patches on gums and for me: sharp tingly pains in nipples and then later on, shooting 'glass' like pain deep in my breasts. Bloody painful. Some describe it as more painful than labour once it's deep in your boobs - so get it treated early. I'm coping ok on strong paracetomol (avoid ibuprofen as it gives LOs constipation) but could really do without this coinciding with the 6 week growth spurt and Jonas' constant suckling.

Lane are you BFing? I can't remember who is doing what in terms of feeding - but if so it's about 4 weeks that BF babies go from multi-poos a day to one every day or every other day - if so don't worry!

Up every hour last night with M. She too was nearly put on eBay - BUT all of the cluster feeding over the past two days have helpef up my supply again and I've just managed to pump off 4oz to stick in the freezer for a christmas party we're going to on the 28th when my supply is steady enough to let daddy take over one of the night feeds again