November 2012 - come on stragglers, we're waiting for you

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1622007-November-2012-hurry-up-to-graduate-were-running-out-of-November

Brilliant dhand lane. It's the best Christmas present ever to get some.

We are having some good points and bad points.

Good Points

O has been going down after a feed at 10:30/11:00 sleeping till 4 only up for 30 mins and down till 7. Perfect really get a nice long stretch of sleep

Pants Points

He only goes down at 7 for and hour or so and wakes around 8 ish screaming his head off for food when he has had the biggest dinner (7 oz) at 6. I barely have time to have something to eat and turn the bottles around for the night shift.

All my othe DCs have gone down at 7 and I wake them at 10 for a feed. Or maybe I have my rosé tinted glasses on maybe they screAmed at four weeks too and that was later.

I would like to just hand him Over to DH in the evenings but for some silly reason feel I can't and it would look like I am just lazy or something but I feel like I work hard with him all day and would just like 3 hours hands free time to shower, clear up from dinner properly and prepare for the next day so I am not lurching from day to day.

I think I am probably expecting g too much at this point aren't I?

Sophia - I don't think you're asking too much. Even if your dh could take him for an hour it would help you.

Ds is 6 weeks tomorrow and wide awake from 4/5 to 10/12. He then wakes once (or not at all we've had three nights of this!) between then and 7. He's just settled into this routine. I think by jan/feb well try putting him down about 7 if he looks ready for this. To be honest I tend to just go with it. That routine will come about when he moves out of our room I think. Well see.

Gt - could you speak to your gp about how you feel? Tiredness/lack of interest in things and an inability to sleep could be a sign of mild pnd? Might be worth you talking to someone, ESP with your home situation. Just a bit worried about how your sounding and the pattern you've entered.

Mm - baby will cry on you as you smell of milk!!

My gripe water bottle says for babies 1 month or more. I'm pretty sure you can use infacol sooner but you have to keep using that for it to work.

Glad some of you had a good night - a good stretch of sleep makes all the difference.
Commiserations to those that didn't fare so well. We were somewhere in the middle. She started off well but then woke every hour from 4. The dummy wasn't quite such a success last night - I think she was losing it before she was deeply asleep and so woke up again. Not sure there is much I can do about that.

Thanks for your thoughts on gripe water. I was keen to use it rather than infacol as you just use gripe water when they actually show the symptoms. Infacol you use for days on end. We stopped using it thinking she was over her symptoms but she has been horrendous the last few days. Gripe water would work straight away.

Hmm. Not sure what to do for the best. Not much sleep had in the crisps household last night. Poor wee soul will fall asleep but grumbles and whines the whole time. She will even shout out and cry in her sleep. We have propped up her Moses basket but don't know what else to do for the best.

Good luck today petite

We had quite a good night LO is now wide awake and neon ally is until early afternoon

I didn't realise gripe water worked straight away.. Off to google

Go dh re dtd. It will get better! I felt really awkward first few times. Although I was in the mood and initiated. Weird.

nervous DH is off a night shift and is off for nxt few days. But he has a funeral to go to at 11. So letting him sleep now. By the time he gets bk it will b afternoon. And too late for me to sleep without it effecting my sleep tonight.
I was in a car accident a few years ago. Not major. But had a bad back since. After accident my sleep was effected. It would take me hours to get to sleep on weekends once asleep I would sleep till noon. If I sleep during the day. Ie after noon , it makes getting to sleep worse but more likely for me to doze off during the day and then it just turns into a cycle. My family know to wake me if I fall asleep!

DH has been concerned about my sleep and constantly tells me to nap during the day. But he doesn't "get" what an issue my sleep pattern can get.( Ive been fine since we have been married). spesh as he does shift work. He is used to sleeping different times. Also when preg I just could sleep all the time. He was very shocked to see me awake when he got in.

horsey I've been thinking the same. But I feel very confused about it. I mean how can anyone have such a gorgeous little boy n b depressed. He makes me smile n my heart melt. But I know sometimes I just feel very down. Not at all helped by home situation.

Was looking forward to going out today. But it's awful and grey out n ill get an ear full if I take LO out n Sod's law LO will get sick if I take him out. Hope it clears up.

Being also has the downside of eating more. Usually by the time I've been awake two hours its lunch time! I think it's time for a 2 nd breakfast.

GT I think that is how PND can creep up on people. Your head tells you it can't be but it doesn't work on logic

horsey you have the uppababy don't you? Did you say that E was sleeping in the carrycot at nights? P sleeps in hers during the day and sleeps incredibly soundly. At nights though her sleep is really poor. I was wondering about putting her in the carrycot over night. The mattress seems so much better

Quick post as trying to get ready for appt this afternoon...

Didn't change the nappy, couldn't be bothered.

Had only 3.5hrs sleep total because my 2 'tag teamed' me. Once DS was down, DD was up. Then DS fed at 5.30 until 6, then fused & messed about so I was fully up & awake, changing nappy etc at 7am. :(

Anyone wondering about tongue tie should look at Milk Matters for info. Unfortunately, if you're bottle-feeding, I don't think you can get it done on the NHS.

Sorry to hear about your accident GT fingers crossed you get some more sleep tonight. Ifyou want to go out then just wrap LO up the fresh air is good for him and the space will be good for you

LO is currently happy in her swinging chair she normally likes more attention an cuddles in the morning but today I'm allowed breakfast

sophia I don't think that wanting a couple of hours to sort out your house is too much to ask! I ended up waking DH and asking him to help me last night. I went to bed for half an hour while he tried to feed. I got back up as I can't sleep through her crying and she wouldn't settle. The company and cups of tea were appreciated though.

BabyPikz has tongue tie too. His is being snipped on Monday as over 50% and he won't latch so an EBM. They only do it here if it affects feeding.

Are you having a laugh lane? Someone refused you a latte? That is astonishing! I was going to go a walk into town today - maybe I should stay indoors!

Actually, it is am hour round trip to town then the hour in town - does that seem too much?

pass I have the uppababy and my LO sleeps really soundly in the carry cot during the day. It might be to do with the fact we have a beautiful lamb skin liner in it. I was thinking of getting another one to line his crib, to see if that helps reduce the night wakings...we are every two hours on the dot, with lots of snuffling, grunting and grumbling noises between......

Refused a latte....outrageous interfering busy bodies, who do they think they are?

Last night was much better! Went down at 11:30-2:20 then went down 3-4, slept on me 5-7 and then slept 7:30-9. We've not been getting up before 9 but when DH is back at work I'll have to get up with the usual 6am feed if I want the car. I'll start going to bed at 9 instead of 11 though.

I'm up, showered and dressed already and we're thinking of braving the Trafford Centre for Xmas shopping

DH is an absolute gem and kept M downstairs for 6 hours last night to let me sleep! Feeling so much better about everything today . She was awful for him though so he's currently catching some zs!

Waiting in for mws is fast becomming my BIGGEST pet hate! We have an appointment to register her today at 1.30. Which do we cancel if there's still no sign half an hour before we need to leave? I want to go to my mums after registering her so won't be impressed if I have to come back and wait for the mw.

Seriously lane?!! That's outrageous!

Thanks chunky would u recommend it? Are they worth the money?

Hello again

We're just waiting to have F's tongue tie snipped. I'm a bit paranoid they're going to take one look and say it doesn't need doing as it's not the most obvious. But feeding on one side is still painful so i hope it goes ok.

On the plus side since we got out of hospital a week last weds eve after his infection, he's been feeding much better since then and rejecting top-ups so i stopped. I took him to be weighed yesterday and. apparently he put on a pound and a half in 11 days! I'm still a bit convinced the scales were wrong. I really need to stop stressing about his feeds and my milk supply. With my first son, i used nipple shields so pumped quite a lot to keep my supply up. So i always felt like there was plenty of milk. Plus he used to take an absolute age to feed. So i'm not used to feeling like there's less milk and F's speedy feeding. And i wake him to feed in the night as he's still only 4 weeks. I know i should feel grateful for short feeds and sleep but it just worried me - can you spot the one who had PND last time?! It didn't help that not feeding was his only sign of an infection which was missed by so many people.

gt i struggled v badly with insomnia after coming off antidepressants for PND early. I eventually did the whole sleep restriction thing eventually which helped a lot. At the moment I've found that snoozing in front of the tv in the evening helps me - if i don't sleep there's something to watch, if i do, it's a bit easier to relax when i do go to bed as i can tell myself i've already had an hour or so. It's a bit contrary to everything they advise for insomnia as in no naps but helps me to not worry so much about when F will wake in the night. Plus i'm still co-sleeping separately from my husband so i don't hear him being asleep and snoring.
I'm sure you know what's best for you though if you've been through it before.

Really need to get to town next week. With cracking timing, my bro's getting married on the 23rd dec and i have nothing to wear.

Kirrin sorry to hear about your dog :(

GT get to the docs if you're worried it could be PND - 25% of new mums suffer from it so it's very common and the earlier it's treated the better. Be kind to yourself and go xx

Glad to hear you're feeling better this morning MM it is scary when your milk comes in and, (like me) you pump too enthusiastically - I do remember randomly thinking OMIGOD they're so full - what if I burst my boobs? If they feel really tender just hand express some milk off - just a couple of tweaks should relieve the worst of the pressure. I did this whilst sat on the loo and a jet of milk hit the bath on the other side of the bathroom when my milk supply was nuts !

To stop your supply being out of whack by pumping - express in the morning when it's most plentiful and in the early days at least try to give her the bottle the same day - best in the evening when your supply is lowest so you'll suffer least from engorgement by going a long period between boob feeds. Once you are more in the routine of feeding you can build up some supplies in the freezer as your body gets better at adjusting your supply without going nuts and giving you cannon ball boobs.

Good news in our house - the wee man seems to be turning a corner with the thrush. He woke once between midnight and 8am which is back to his normal routine. His feeds are still hurting him a bit - he'll unlatch to give a squeal, and oh bad Mummy that I am, but it's funny - he then grunts like a hoglet, gets a determined face on and relatches and continues troughing.

I've been advised to avoid ibuprofen for the pain as it can cause constipation in the wee ones if you are nursing. Those with constipated wee ones it might be something to avoid?

Thankfully the HV has promised to get me a higher dose of fluconazole so I think we're getting there. I was really worried about me re-infecting him. Stoic little chap he's not been whingy today at all, I am so lucky that he's chilled out like his Dad rather than a paranoid bunny boiler prone to histrionics like his Mum.

It's funny I enjoy BFing but didn't realise how much it meant to me until now when there was a very real chance I'd have to wean him because of the pain and his refusal of the breast. Ladies who can't feed but want to - you have my total sympathies it must be so, so upsetting xx

Epic gobshite post... sorry!

lane I can't believe you were refused a latte, tis none of their business I have slowly been working my way through the Costa Christmas Latte's since I came out of hosp and no one has said a word.

kirrin rubbish news about your dog. Hope you a feeling ok, they do become part of the family.

GT I am joining the rest of the Nov team and encouraging you to talk to someone. You really must. You will feel a relief after taking tha step.

MM on the subject of visiting midwives when I was was discharged from hosp I was given the big smoking lecture ( none of us smoke btw) but also told that if anyone came round who was a smoker they should take their coats off. The first two midwives who arrived to see me absolutely stank of smoke and did not remove their jackets. One of them had obviously just had a cigarette before she arrived. I was too tired and gutless to say anything I now wish I had.

Two boys tucked up in bed. Washing on. Toys tidied away. Feeling slightly more human, I even ave a dress on ready for the nursery Christmas party this afternoon.

Xx

lane I would order a double espresso. Seriously though, if that happens again, demand to see the manager. Do they tell fat people not to buy cakes? They have no right!

My dad is 80 and a triplet, very small at birth and breastfed. He has a tongue tie.

lane she shouldn't have been picking LO up. Is like when strangers want to touch your bump.

Sat down for a coffee could fall asleep.

Detective any better day today?

Xx