November 2012 - hurry up to graduate, we're running out of November

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pass- it's the same before I tried the bottle. I tryed different positions then, all it did was get me and baby evil stressed. As for the flow, it could be not enough. I do really want to give it ago again, but bottle feeding saved our sanity.

It seems you LO and mine have the same problem.
Evil

Evil, how are you holding him? I find the cross cradle position the best for us. But I have largish boobs, and this gives Oscar more room to breathe . I also have to hold the boob for a bit to keep him latched. I have to squish it in his poor little mouth. He doesn't always latch straight away, will have a couple of sucks then off, and try again. It is just a case of keep trying him til he gets the right position.

It is so difficult when you can't see it in front of you! I am such a visual person! I like to advise on what I see .

Have you tried starting off with a bottle feed, holding him in the position to breastfeed, then taking the bottle away mid feed and bringing him to the breast? Have seen that used in the very early days in to tricking some babies who had got used to a bottle. Haven't seen it used in later weeks though. Thought it might be worth a mention.

But really, is this what YOU want? Don't do it for someone else... please.

I have fanjo thrush. To add insult to injury in that department. I think it is thrush. Obv can't tell if there is discharge, but it is burning and itchy at the front.

Thanks God.

That is what caused the tears this afternoon it seems. That and the cut which actually goes right down my arse cheek.

I want to get back to normal FFS! I want to get on with life. Stuck in sore fanjo limbo. GRRR.

evil honestly, my heart breaks for you because I know that this is important for your family as well as all the emotion that comes with it.

I had great supply and, according to various midwives, have perfectly shaped breasts and nipples. P would shriek and cry whenever we tried leaving us both in pieces. In the grand scheme of things I gave up very quickly but I felt I was an emotional wreck. P can now suck well as evinced by her sucking bottle teats flat but her issu with feeding on the breast remains.

I didn't get support from anyone other than the community midwives. They were can but could shed no light on why it wasn't working. They seemed bemused as everything seemed to be in place.

Should you get some professional support I would love to hear what they say. P does not have tongue tie and had an easy birth. We are now happy usig formula and I am over my guilt issues (well, sort of . . . ) but that is because it works for our family.

Some babies will refuse the breast. They just do - I have seen it quite a few times. Whether these babies continue to refuse once home, I don't know as I don't get to find out. But certainly it is something I have come across in practice many times - babies who get frantic and hysterical when put to or even near the breast.

I wish I knew the answer. I advise women to try and make it as calm as possible, slowly introducing the breast, taking it bit by bit, skin to skin etc etc. Have you tried googling breast refusal? I bet there is a lot of info out there.

Loads on refusal on Kellymom.... Love that site!!

I feel for you detective. It must be horrible.

Bought myself a nice breastfeeding dress from www.Mamafeelsgood.com via eBay for Christmas. It's lovely & fits well.

Gave A a dummy tonight. Feel a bit weird about it. Not against them at all - DD has one. But I guess I feel disapp

Look at the Kellymom website for tops Evil. It's harder work for a baby to breastfeed than bottle feed and they have to suck to stimulate your letdown reflex and may have to pause during feeding to wait for more milk. That website has tips on getting your baby to cope with it all.

Tits I get cold sores infrequently but I don't kiss my children on the lips ever (since you can shed virus between cold sores although the risk is low). Obviously avoid kissing them at all while you have a cold sore. You can treat them with acyclovir if you start it as soon as you get them. It will shorten the time you have the cold sore by a couple of days at the most. They should clear up in about ten days.

I don't know whether J is my last child Jenbird. How do you know when you're finished. It's taken two years, a lot of temperature monitoring, ovulation tests, pregnancy tests and a miscarriage to have this child. I don't know if I can handle another pregnancy and at age 36 I'm running out of time as my mum had the menopause at 42. But then there's a big gap between DS2 and DS3 so will I want another one? Maybe I'll just settle for another puppy instead!

Ffs stupid fingers & typing one handed whilst feeding...

Disappointed that I had to resort to it iyswim. He screamed for 30mins on way home yesterday & I figured a dummy is a way to stop him getting so worked up. Not sure why I feel this way. Guess I was hoping for easier bfing situation than with DD but tongue tie has screwed that up already!!

Also Evil I just wanted to let you know my DS1 refused to breastfeed from day 1. I ended up feeding him with nipple shields for eight months plus a top up of formula once a day from four months. But now there's lots more help available online. If I had had that information back then I'm sure I would have been able to get DS1 to latch on eventually.

Jen Sounds silly but given A is a boy, I kind of feel that my family is complete. Not that it wouldn't have been with another DD BUT know DH would want a boy & actually that he wants more kids in fact, but 2 seems enough to me. Think DH will need to have a vasectomy as hormonal contraception doesn't work for me. But part of me wonders if I'll want more though. I do feel sad about it in a way too and don't want to get rid of the baby clothes, either, as it seems a shame that no more of our children will wear them if that makes sense. But in January, eBay or similar will beckon I expect

J refused the boob for the first day - hence he was syringed with cow and gate. That was to do with him being prem and the leftovers of diamorphine no doubt. Maybe it's stress hormones? If you are worried about it maybe? Kellymum has a good page describing fussing - to help diagnose if it's undersupply, oversupply, colic, something you've eaten etc by the noises and actions the baby makes... I'll see if I can find the page.

Evil LLL has a 24hr helpline if you need support or advice.LLL info

chunky don't feel bad about the dummy. I have given Eira one. It settles her instantly. My last 2 babies out right refused it and it was very hard especially when you just cannot feed them.

I cry when Oscar gets worked up and I can't feed him straight away . The dummy helps in these situations. He doesn't cry for it, it is purely for my benefit to be honest..... he probably has it once a day for 5-10 minutes

I don't do 'rules'. I do what works for us as a family. We all have to make this work, and whatever I can do to keep us all happy is fine by me.

DS had a dummy from day 2, he was a SCREAMER!!! And I mean a proper howler. Day and night. The dummy saved my life back then. He was a real dummy boy. I don't think Oscar will be. As once I gave it to DS he wanted it 24/7, and Oscar doesn't.

I've decided I can't get used to saying DS1 and DS2. It's weird.

In other news, we finally got the tree decorated. Most of the living room done, still the hall and DS's bedroom to do! And I need a few new decorations. Why is it that things manage to go missing each year?!! We got a 'surprised' coo from Oscar when we showed him the tree! All those twinkling lights!

Thanks Jen not sure why I feel weird about it, its almost a sense of failure, although realistically I know that's daft!!!!

Pass ood plan perhaps we should have a thread pj day!

evil tha is exactly what happened with Olly and after keeping going for four days with barely any sleep and the stress of the antibiotics/SCBU stay they said I had to make my mind up and I caved in, I feel ok about it, he was under the weather and it was more important I knew he was hydrated.

jenbird ME. I know this is my fourth and last and it feels good. I have come to the end of this chapter of my life it is time to Loose all the baby weight and get my life back having fun with them all. I didn't feel like this last time I knew I wasn't done, sounds like you might not be

Detective I think I had that but I thought it was brought on By the horrible pads actually hope it goes quickly. Am so with you on getting back to normal, fed up with it and the bastard pads. I haven't even got all the extra stuff going on like you have, but was there last time and utterly know where you are. Big hugs.

Am posttastic tonight!
Xx

Thanks lane glad I'm not alone in the weird feelings thing!!

Help me people!!! I can't get Teddy to sleep in his basket at all. He wants to suck, then falls asleep. Will stay asleep on me but if we transfer him he wakes wanting to suck again. Screaming. Did this all night last night. Been trying to put him down for 4 hours now. Is this because my milk hasn't come in yet? I haven't slept more than an couple of hours since Thursday!!! With DS1 I'm sure I got to sleep between feeds, why is this just constant?

Dixie, this is what Oscar does/did.

The only way I could break the cycle was by either leaving him to sleep on me/co-sleep, or by holding him for 30 minutes, then putting him down. Once he was in a deep sleep this stopped him waking, thus wanting to comfort feed.

Cluster feeding is so normal in the first couple of nights, as he encourages your milk supply - but he should wake when on your chest for the feeds, not just when you put him down. Can you keep him there for 30 mins, then try putting him down?

Will give it a go. I keep nodding off tho. So tired!!

Sophia You could be right about the pads . I've finally managed to wean myself off the 3, down to 2 big bastards .

Nothing is helping down there. Everything is as sore as it was on the 2nd day. I've got some volterol suppositories stashed. Am tempted to use. But feel what is the use? I can't use them forever. Nothing seems to be healing. I am certain that the epis isn't healing properly, and hasn't been stitched correctly - things are not in line with where they are supposed to be. I can see me being in this pain for 6 more weeks, and then having to go for a fentons procedure (re-suturing) some months down the line. There are 2 bumps on my arse which I most certainly did not have 10 days ago....!!!

I feel quite pissed off about the whole thing to be honest. I made it clear I would rather have torn than had an epis. She said she would be doing one and I shouted I didn't want one. I had lost the plot a bit by then though.

So add to the pain/burn/itch in the front of the fanjo, the arse/fanjo pain, and the heat rash which is now under both boobs (am sat here with boob lifted, and talc under them just to try and dry the sweat out) I just feel like a right pathetic blimp! I want to do stuff for myself! I hated it when pregnant, I hate it even more now!

It's my own fault for wanting a 'normal' birth.

That's why I gave it up as a bad job. If I can stay awake, i'll put him in the basket. If I can't, I make sure he is safe, and have him next to me.

Detective if the wound seems that bad to you (and you should know! It's your line of work) can you not go to A&E? Get them to have a proper look? Or go and see a vagina dr (lol). Is there no process for this? Or does your MW have to check it? Could it b fixed now, or would you have to wait?
Just seems you know it's wrong, so how can you get seen by the right person.

Oh well. Just been reading the book by she who can not be named on mn (GF) the one difficulty I have with the routine is waking up at 6.45am! Everything else I can work on.
Oh well I'm gonna set my alarm and TRY it out tomorrow.
Night night all aww just looked over at LO in cot and omg my heart melts at his cuteness .

Ohoh. Just been reading up on controlled crying and baby whisper. May head out to the library tomorrow.