These babies are going to be calm, easy and sleepy at all the right times, and we're brooking no argument about it!

[Biscuitsandtea]

In here ladies - the other thread was getting full up so I thought I'd better start a new one.....

Will do some links to / from this thread but in the meantime please make yourselves at home

X post hawthers , true actually, think the newborn hell memories will be rose tinted in A few years!

biscuits, snap, hiding upstairs after S's first wake up of the night, sigh... Don't know why, Dh certainly won't be doing any of my jobs so they'll still be there waiting for me...

Bloody lovely evening although cost of babysitting to cost of fun was 2:1 ouch but it was so nice to spend time with DH out and about. Got another one booked in for a months time woop woop

Let the night if payback fun begin.

Glad Hawthers had a good night out!

Loopy I've been mega broody since week 1 with DD! It's completely irrational given the fact that I'm currently hitting the six month mark of constant nighttime wake ups. Still, can't control those hormones! I even catch myself in my old daydream of one older DD followed by TWIN DDs occasionally! Has Dream taught me nothing?!?! I could never be as hardcore supermum as she is!

DD has been up and crying or fussing since 12, and this is her second wake up since finally succumbing to sleep sometime after 8. Sigh. I really thought I just had to wait it out and she'd grow into better sleeping habits. But tonight I don't think her gums are hurting anymore, she's not particularly hungry (not interested in her bottle), she's not ill, she's not having a growth spurt. I have to face facts, she just refuses to sleep unless it's directly on me. I've clearly fostered bad habits and now neither of us will ever have a full night's sleep I honestly can't see how to break this habit without crying it out. She's not remotely comforted by singing or patting in her cot, she just wails until I pick her up. Sigh. Must stop being such a self-absorbed wuss in front of you all. I know there are far bigger challenges faced by you ladies. How can I whinge so much when I'm not wrestling two (or 3!) mini people, when DD doesn't have colic or reflux, when no one is ill. I just need to get on with it.

Gah. Nurofen o'clock here, except S had his, calmed down, had a whole feed, dozed off, started coughing and puked and puked and puked. It's everywhere as i cunningly tried to carry him through to the bathroom, puking all the way

Don't say it scream, S is the same but they're just little babies. She will sleep one day, CIO is not the answer now and its so hard to know if there's anything up with them.

hawthers glad it was lovely but

:o hawthers

Wow dream really? I'd have thought you'd be too fast asleep to miss them while they were all out :o :o

Dh looked after dd between 9 and 12 so i got some sleep, then she slept between 2 and 5 so I feel much more human today. I'm still going to attempt to go back to sleep when she's done bfing though :o

First health visitor visit today. How many visits do they make?

Glad you had a better night Fluff.

Sleep deprivation is awful! And make the most of sleeping when you haven't got to be up and out anywhere.

When we came home with ds1 I had a sort of weird moment (few days) where I felt terrible that I wasn't some mythical 1950's housewife doing all the cleaning and cooking and stuff. I couldn't believe how knocked sideways I was by the birth. DH kept saying 'don't worry about doing stuff' etc, but then he always says stuff like that (because he's lovely) so I just didn't believe him. It was when my Dad said 'Biscuits, you need to rest. You've been through the equivalent of major surgery. Stop trying to do things!' that it really hit home. It seemed like not the sort of thing my dad would normally notice / comment on so it made it carry more weight iyswim.

And in your case Fluff it is actual major surgery. So you're absolutely absolutely right to rest whenever poss. It was probably the one thing that made it harder this time round - that I still had to look after ds1 so it wasn't as relaxing.

More dc? I think my little family is complete. I always wanted another after ds1 but no feelings like that this time. I still go quite gooey when I see friends' babies but I think part of that is that I know I won't have any more? But even then it doesn't make me want another, I just enjoy the newborn snuggly cuddles. As Scarlet says though I quite like the feeling that we're 'complete'. And of course the feeling of complete comes at different times for different people.

I am so tired this week - have been getting up about 20 am past 5 each morning to feed ds2 and then staying up to do jobs and staying up late each night too. Partly this is Scarlet's fault because we are watching Homeland and keep watching a second episode of an evening because it is so darn gripping! And then last night I was just up late ironing and tidying. Have masses of cleaning left to do today but am still going to my friend's for lunch.

I swear I could go back to sleep for another 8 hours though if nobody minded

Oh and Dream - I was rather proud of the stock idea too - not something if thought of until I was thinking about it for you so it's a trick I might use myself too . The other thing I do quite often, which is quicker than faffing with stock, is to just stir full fat milk in. They can have full fat milk from 6 mths in cooking and it makes it more runny, and provides calories and cools the food down in one easy step .

Right. That is it. Just as soon as B less whingey with his cold (so I can tell if he's unhappy!) he is getting dairy challenged as we are so unconvinced he's cmpi. Milk would be the overall winner for blending :)

Oh of course! Sorry - I forgot the dairy thing again!

Hope it's not CMPI though - brooking no argument that of course it will be fine

(when's your book out? )

betterish sleep here, but only because i kept R in beside me most of the night. he went to bed at 9 and so did i, he was up at 11 though! he slept/fed/wriggled beside me till after 3 when he had a big leaky wee. i then changed and fed him and put him back through with DS1 at 4.15, DS1 actually woke up first at 6.30, which then woke DS2. meh
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i only found the leak because DS2 currently has a wee baboon bum again so am checking for poo with every bit of wind! baboon bum is because he did a tiny poo at night and i didn't know so it had ages to hurt his skin.

got a stupid busy day today because i agreed to visit DS1's friend this pm even though we'll all be flaked out after toddlers. d'oh.

I'd technically love another dc, but practically i can't see it happening.

we seem to be on constant wake ups at 6mo too scream, it will pass honest! this is the week i started back to work last time and i was a total zombie at first. :)

I have a snotty chest-frog. Up at 5.10am. Calpol administered at 7, and he was asleep on me shortly afterwards. I was meant to be going into work to see everyone but looks like I'm staying home today.

Fluff you absolutely need to rest up so your body can mend, mentally and physically, after the trauma of birth. Obviously nothing can take away the trauma of dealing with a newborn though! I insisted on walking the dog the day after having DS (with forceps and stitches). Mind you, I like walking the dog and it felt good to get out of the house for a bit without the baby, so maybe it was good for me. Oh, and I'd like another baby. Not sure I've convinced DH though.

Dream glad you're feeling more positive. Hope DH cleared up the sick in the morning!

Scream DS has also totally regressed with sleep, mainly because he's rejected the dummy and had a couple of nasty colds. But I now have to feed or rock him to sleep, which I haven't done for months! I'm hoping that things will magically improve by themselves, but if he continues the night wakings I guess I'll try some sort of gentle sleep training. Maybe wake him up slightly after the bedtime feed before putting him down?

Loopy hurrah for the ILs leaving!

Ninja hope the estate agents sort themselves out pronto. Sounds v stressful.

Biscuits bugger the housework! Have a nice lunch and an early night tonight, and you and DH can tackle the chores together tomorrow. what a fun start to the weekend

Ah, DS is awake. Back later...

Ah I wish we could leave the housework until tomorrow. But we have E's christening this weekend so lots of visitors plus the usual Saturday guff of getting the boys to swimming followed by a bday party that ds1 is going to etc. so tomorrow is going to be mental too. Will still have a lovely lunch though today

ok so we got our electric costs on our flat down to just under £700 which is great....not so great is the results of the further surveys we've had done on the house we want, currently coming in at around £12000 of work! Think we need to work out if we can get lower quotes, want it that much, if we can knock the price down further or if we just cut our losses and walk away. I think I'm in shock. I need toast and a catch up on the thread
fluff not unreasonable at all. you have had surgery. you call the shots imho.

Sorry haven't had a chance to catch up properly, just had to have a freak out with you ladies. Little A's pushchair just tipped over on the bus I only just caught it before she hit the floor face first. I had her strapped in, otherwise she would have fallen out! I actually think I'm having a heart attack!!!

Sorry, will catch up with the thread after our class. I just wish this journey was over!

oh scream you poor thing, that must have been awful. Hot sweet tea is in order, I'm having some after seeing the quotes mentioned above

Scream, oh no! I hope you're calming down a bit now, and that A's ok.

Ninja, well done for getting the electric costs cut down so much. Shocked at how much work you'd need to have done to the other house though :( We needed about £10,000 + to be done on this house, so I feel your pain. Luckily we realised that at least £7500 needed doing upon our first viewing, and decided that the price was still worth it. We tried to knock down the price further though, and the sellers wouldn't have it.. :( What do you think you'll do?

Fluffy, our health visitors have made very few trips! One when Iz was very little, and then a trip a bit later asking about postnatal depression. They got a bit concerned about my answers to the questions about worrying about things. I had to explain that I'm a compulsive worrier, and worry about daft things like how I'll negotiate the horrible junction in the middle of town, but am quite chilled as a parent (oddly!).

Got given a balloon in town! That's Iz entertained for the day :D

i think we'll try to negotiate them down on price or give them the option of fixing it themselves as long as guarantees can be supplied for the work. We knew there would be stuff to be done but didn't realise the damp would take so much to fix (its about 8.5k of the costs). I've been looking on rightmove just in case and have lined up 3 new houses to keep an eye on just in case we need to start looking again. Luckily 2 are with the agent we are selling through who seem to be pretty on the ball. I guess we'll have to see how next week pans out.
fluff I think I've seen our hv a couple of times, once for the usual first appointment and then again a few weeks later as dd was still under birth weight at 4 weeks so she wanted to see her a couple of times to see if she gained at all. It coincided with switching to formula after the recurrent mastitis so she did start gaining and i've not seen her since. DD hasn't been weighed for ages, i should probably take her for the sheer curiosity of what she weighs!

seeing as R is in his brother's 9-12 months clothes at 6 months I'm pretty sure he's doing ok too ninja so weighing is just curiosity for me too.

omg at electric costs ninja
omg at pushchair fall scream
yay for things started to look up for dream
thanks for the balloon idea musical

Think that about covers it :)

There's a small emotional part of me that would love another baby but mainly the practical of me screams NO WAY :)

Two is good :)

Ohh ninja definitely get the sellers to do it before you move in if you can - we had our ground floor tanked and it was unbelievably disruptive. The plaster dust gave me asthma for 2 years, you can't decorate for 2 months and we were just living out of our bedroom for 2 weeks while the work was done. It was awful.

Omg scream - deep breaths! Glad you caught it ok.

Thanks everyone, you're all so fab :) :)

And breathe...

Feeling calmer now. Just was completely freaked after the bus incident. Little A is fine though, I don't think she had any idea what was happening.

at the costs of the work to Ninja's house. So frustrating! Especially when you're getting lots of work done on your flat before you leave. Definitely push for money off the purchase price! Fingers crossed it will all work out.

No brooking for B to pass the dairy challenge with flying colours! I am firmly of the opinion that the universe just has to cut the lovely Dream some slack very soon!

Ooooo for E's christening Biscuits! Good luck with all the prep. Personally I think lunch with a friend is an essential part of the mental prep work!

I'm a bad person. After my freak out this morning and subsequent argument with DH I have now bought myself a pizza I have the rest of my journey home to talk myself into sticking to my diet and throwing it away! Otherwise it's going in the oven for lunch! yum yum yum!

fluff hv came to see us twice, as they don't expect you to go out to the health centre until after 6 weeks post cs. So saw them at about 12 days and then 4 weeks, and then at 6 weeks we went to GP, and now just up to me to go to hv when i feel like it, and GP's for the 3 sets of injections.

re clothes sizes, DS2 is 6 weeks and 2 days old and is now wearing a 3-6month babygrow and filling it nicely, reckon will outrgrow it before the next month is over...

oh and I HAVE MY HOUSE BACK, DP FOLKS HAVE GONE!!!!!! :) :) :)

Yes, very naughty scream you and your one pizza.... :)

Loopy - YAYYYY!!!!!! God, its lovely that moment isnt it. And thats after long weekends let alone six weeks. You're actually a saint and dp should worship at your altar (rude?!) for ever.

Yaaay loopy!
Hv has been, and I have to take dd to be weighed Tuesday which i was a bit miffed over as I can't drive and don't know if I can walk there and back just yet. I'll have to see...