These babies are going to be calm, easy and sleepy at all the right times, and we're brooking no argument about it!

[Biscuitsandtea]

In here ladies - the other thread was getting full up so I thought I'd better start a new one.....

Will do some links to / from this thread but in the meantime please make yourselves at home

I'd go biscuits. They found nothing on A so conclusion is she's a drama queen about the old teeth. As I've been a few times recently with heavy cold/cough etc he gave me a pot for her to literally piss in to check her wee. Hmm, sounds complicated.

However at bedtime she had 5oz of formula and went to bed okay-ish. A lot less fuss at no booby than I expected.

oo no too brooking he comes back on his own lassie stylee very soon xxx

I think I will go - he's just wheezed his way through a bf - sounds like he smokes 50 a day poor sausage

He's home! Suddenly appeared at the door whining to be let in. Bad dog! But good dog for coming back. He's completely clarted in mud, so is currently having a bath. Somehow M's feet are muddy too - how did that happen?

Poor little wheezy E! Brooking hard that he gets better soon.

Pomme, I had to catch some of M's wee for testing when she was a few weeks old! It was surprisingly easy - I just held her naked over a pot for 10 mins and she weed, but I'm not sure she would oblige that quickly now.

Biscuits like the others have said, it doesn't hurt to go and get the wheezing checked out. Hope it's nothing though, and clears up pronto.

Too :( You must be so worried. Can you or DH go back there early tomorrow and have a good hunt for him? How far away from home were you? I do hope he finds his own way back tonight.

Pomme glad A is ok - good luck with catching her pee in a pot though!

X-post Too - fantastic news! Clever boy for finding his own way back!

Clever boy! So glad he's home

Poor ds2 is breaking my heart he sounds far poorlier (a word I've made up) since his afternoon nap. Wheezy wheezy wheezy, breaking off from feeding to cough and splutter

I just want to fix him

Oh no Biscuits :( Wish I could suggest something useful. Wet flannel over radiator so his room isn't too dry? How is he, apart from the wheezing? I mean, is it making him miserable or are you more distressed than he is? :( either way.

He doesn't seem too miserable - If anything this is making me even sadder as he just looks iyswim. Not really crying too much just looks thoroughly fed up with it. Even when I put him down to go to sleep, he'd woken up and I put him down really gently and he just sort of rolled over and when he might normally have cried a bit he just looked sort of sad and like he couldn't be bothered. Does that make sense? Like I feel bad that I've put him down even though he's gone off to sleep. I feel like I just want to cuddle him (although I also want to eat my tea!)

Oh no Biscuits poor DS2 Brooking for a quick recovery, defrost get him checked out.

What a relief Too. Nothing you could've done, sounds completely out of character for him if you've had him for 5 years and he's not done it before.

I'm trying not to snigger at DH here. He has a real weird, out of character reaction to accidental spillages. The only time in 10 years he's ever blown his top at me was when I dropped a plate of spaghetti hoops on toast over the carpet, wall and door. I just can't get upset over accidents like that but he really loses the plot. Imagine my delight when he's just dropped a whole glass of red wine all over the carpet, smashed glass and red wine everywhere. I say delight - it's not really as I'm worried about missing any tiny bits of glass which DS or DD may find. But I'm just sooooo pleased he's done it!

Defrost???? Meant deffo.

too, so glad he's come home. Bad dog for running away and not coming back til you'd confessed to dh and worried yourself silly

biscuits, I'd see how he is in the morning but take him if you're worried. When B especially was really wheezy he was chugging away at 45-50 breaths per minute, working a bit harder but not really hard, wheezing audibly and not feeding well. I didn't think the inhaler helped an enormous amount, but maybe a bit. a friend of dh's wife, who's a paediatrician training to be a respiratory specialist told me salbutamol (the reliever inhaler they usually start with) has a poor success rate in the under 2's anyway as their airways are so narrow its hard to get enough dilating action from the salbutamol iykwim. So i also wouldn't panic he needs urgent treatment as its likely there's not much you can do. I did karvol plug in, Calpol (he was cranky, despite being labelled a 'happy wheezer' at the doctors), mattress raised with a pillow under it with a towel folded at bottom of the pillow so the mattress didn't just fold after the pillow iykwim. That helped him most I think. Obviously if he gets worse, has a high number of breaths/ minute and you're worried take him tonight! Is my non medical opinion

Yes, boys sleep massively improved from when they were frequently out in their buggy, but with s up 3 times at least, B twice, maybe one overlapping wake up, I'm still up 4 times a night, easily so I'm still knackered but a bit more positive sometimes

Of course, after saying the hard work was paying off, I'm having a mare tonight though. S been up 4 times already, groan . He's finally back asleep in his cot, but for how long....?!

scarlet, I love the glass of wine vs carpet story, and that you're only worried about the glass not the stain and delighted I'd be the same . He he!!

Not heard much from you hawthers hope your boys are ok and your dh is being amazing (I'm arguing shed loads with mine)

Erm... Forgotten the rest, can't even be bothered now to rant about my weaning issues but I'm hating it....

biscuits i hate when wee people are ill. it's rubbish when you just want to fix them. :( sending hugs and brooking your way.

Poor little E Biscuits! No Brooking for a swift improvement tonight, but if you're still worried in the morn definitely don't hesitate to go to the docs!

Hurray for your dog's safe return Too! Phew! Must have been so scary and stressful while he was missing, I'm so glad he got home before you went to bed!

Pomme how's your DD2 tonight? I hope she's doing better?

Thanks for the sleep advice Dream. Reading your post, and re-reading bits of the no cry sleep solution, have made me realise I already am following most of the suggestions, but I'm not being consistent with it. I am resolved to try and be more consistent in future!

Yay for Jaggy's successful first day back! Well done to both your DSs for being so good today!

Hee hee hee at the red wine Scarlet! Gotta love it when DHs do something that means they can no longer nag you when you do the same thing! I didn't realise you live near Nottingham! I would've loved to meet you and Biscuits in RL! Definitely next time! I am still at my Mum's. It doesn't feel like much has changed with DH yet, still constant arguments, but he's now on anti-depressants and has started seeing a counsellor regularly so fingers crossed things will start to improve soon. We're organising our marriage counseling now (separate to his counseling) so that will hopefully get us talking in a more productive way.

DD had bedtime at 7, and was asleep with relatively little fuss by 8. Up again by 8.30, and cried and fussed through to 11.10. I should now be sleeping but I just know she'll be up again before 1, and I'm so busy dreading it I can't get to sleep myself. I really need to take drastic action, I just dread the nights now. She didn't sleep for more than 90 mins in one stretch for the whole of last night. Sigh.

Yy Scream let us know if you're up this way again! Definitely

Scarlet I did a little at your wine story. Hope all the glass has been ok to pick up. My mum always freaks if anything gets spilled or broken and I always felt a bit 'hahaha' when she spilled something. I remember staying at dh's parents' house and breaking a glass and thinking 'oh crap!' And then being all when his mum was just worried as to whether I'd cut myself or anything. An absolute revelation! And definitely the way I am now. DH is amazing at that sort of approach too. Thank goodness!

Oooh must post this as I need to phone the docs - laters xx

Now, where was I?

Scream I an brooking no argument that a combination of ADs, counselling and marriage counselling does the trick for you and DH. Communication has to be the way forward doesn't it, and making sure you can communicate in a positive way iyswim. Hope it all starts to pay off soon.

Ds2 still wheezing and coughing so we have a docs appt for this arvo. Ds1 has to miss out on a playgroup this morning though as I can't really inflict ds2 on everyone else

I think I have a sore boob from ds2's current 'hit and miss' feeding style. He's just pushing and pulling the whole time and it's making his latch poor.

Right I'd better get some brekkie in these boys...

That's a shame about missing playgroup Biscuits. I didn't realise it was one where you stayed too. Sorry I can't help out and have DS1 for you, I'm up to my eyes sorting out the Christening this week. Mum has offered to have DC for me today so I can get some stuff and order what needs to be ordered etc, plus do more cleaning at home. Decided to take your approach and am getting Sainsburys to make the sandwiches.

Scream I'm about 30 minutes away from Nottingham, it's our nearest decent place for shopping. I used to work there and have enjoyed many nights out. Glad I don't live there though, it's much sleepier this side of the Trent.
I really wish you all the very best for sorting things out with your DH. It must be very hard for you both. Onwards and upwards eh?

Urgh. teething is grim isn't it? dd1 was very stoic it seems.. dd2 less so...

However she accepted the bottle overnight and had 2oz and nurofen got us a three hour stretch. Poor old dh had to get up at 4.30 and she did a 4am wake up so he'll be knackered lkater (in Spain in a hotel though!!).

So the milk bar is closed and dd2 is a dribbling, screaming pudding. Slightly sore boobs but hey ho.

So glad the dog came back too!

Hope the doc can help you or reassure you biscuits.

We'd only been to this playgroup once Scarlet - quite good as ds2 can have stuff to play with too and one of ds1's little pre school friends goes too

Definitely agree that I prefer where we live - I also worked in Nottingham and it is good for a night out but I like it here now . Good for shopping there though. Hope all the christening stuff is too stressful .

Biscuits has DS1 still been going to the other activity thing that you were taking him to on a Tuesday? We're still going on a Thursday and DS has come on leaps and bounds, it's been brilliant for him. Thanks for recommending.

Brooking for a better day for you today pomme

We went up until half term and we stopped because DS said it was a bit boring and I think he should have been in the next class up but there are no spaces currently. It was a very young group that he was in though. However recently I have noticed a definite improvement and I think it was really helping. So we're waiting maybe for a space in the 4yo class on a Thu pm here, or she is starting a new 4yo class where we were going in January (but that might be on a Monday I think). I'd definitely go back to it though, just a Jane that the group we were in were so little so it made James look miles bigger / ahead of them. It helps more than I thought it would. I might take ds2 when he's old enough.

Glad it's working for you though - I kept meaning to ask if you were still going. Let me know if you want to meet up one Thu. There's a nice milkshake shop just near there if DS likes that sort of thing?

Hello am around lurking but don't want to always post something whiny! If I can get f down for a nap, washing Hung up and bathroom cleaned before I have to pick DS1 up from school then I'll post properly later.

Has anyone seen wants lately?

No! I drive through her village on the way to the office every week and spy on every woman with a pram or teenage male companion wonder about her but she hasn't posted on her since the end of Sept I think.

I remember that because she was around when The White Comapny opened in town and that was mid-late September. I'm not that much of a stalker!

Scarlet my mum used to get very upset (though shout, not cry) over spilt milk when we were children. It's always bemused me since such things are so obviously accidents. Hope DH was apologetic about the wine and remembers your forbearance next time you drop anything.

Dream did S stay asleep after your last post? Hope so. DS woke 3 times (every 45 mins) after bed at 7.30 but the second two wake-ups he just cried out a couple of times then went back to sleep. Bit of a miracle, really. Then there was a 12.30am and a 4.45am feed, but still - could be worse and probably will be tonight .

Scream good luck with being consistent. It's just so hard in the night when you're exhausted, isn't it? Is DD due an overnight stay with DH so you can recharge your batteries, or could your family help? Glad to hear DH has got medication and counselling. Really hope things improve for you both now.

Biscuits how's the sore boob? And if you've been already, what did the doctor say about poor E? And do you mind if I ask, what is this mysterious but brilliant activity you recommended to Scarlet ?

Scarlet hope the Christening preparations go smoothly. What will DD be wearing?

Pomme hope DD2 cheers up and those teeth pop through pronto. Also good luck with the sore boobs! Hope that doesn't last long.

Hawthers just give the bathroom a quick wipe and cme and moan talk to us!

Good news here - DS was weighed yesterday and is back on his birth centile! He is looking quite chubby, too. Sadly he's still quite short but hey, so am I. :) . Less good news - DH just texted to say they have Ofsted tomorrow so he will be mega stressed for the rest of the week. :(

Biscuits and Scarlet, thanks for your kind words. Onwards and upwards indeed. I'm hopeful we'll get back to where we started in the end.

Also, was it Pet who mentioned the possibility of little A teething yesterday? I didn't think it was possible at all, she didn't seem to be drooling more or working extra hard to get things into her mouth. Plus there was no temperature. But lo and behold today her first tooth has just broken the surface! It's given me fresh hope that maybe, just maybe, the awful broken sleep is temporary!

Biscuits have you been to the doc with DS2 yet? Or is your appt later on? I'm No Brooking hard for there to be a simple-to-solve problem identified, which results in easier nights for you and E ASAP! What kind of playgroup did you and Scarlet take your DSs to?

Pomme I hope DD2 feels better soon! Teething and poor sleep is HORRIBLE, I share your pain!

Alas bathroom was grim so took ages mainly because I haven't cleaned it for weeks

Feeling rather glum and in need if brooking mostly relating to DS1 (thread in primary education if you are interested).

And today I picked him up from kindergarden and he'd pooed his pants which hasn't happened for ages. And we've got a parent teacher thing tonigh which will be utterly depressing I'm sure.
Got to go and play hide and seek...