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Wants, DD and I are having a day like that too. Every time my nipples seem to be recovering she has another feeding frenzy and they take another hit! Hope D settles down soon - also sounds like you need more snacks to hand to help you get through the day..!

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Hot water bottle warning the Moses basket sheets seemed to be very effective for the first half of the night.

Whenever I open up this thread, I mentally sing the title to the time of Yankee Doodle..

Hi all!

I've been a bit quiet and everyone else has been chatty so I'm way behind...

Jaggy glad you're responding well to treatment. Are you feeling better, too, or did it not really affect you apart from the bruising?

Wants :( about D's shoulder, but pleased he doesn't seem to have been in pain. Hope the manic feeding diminishes a bit so you can eat. Sounds like you need DS1 and 2 at hand to bring you snacks and drinks!

Musical now I'm going to be humming Yankee Doodle too! I know what you mean about being rubbish at the transfer. Before DS started sleeping ok in his basket I was rushing to put him down when I thought he was fast asleep as I was so tired and fed up! I've never done night time walking and jiggling either cos he was happy to be cuddled, though there was a time when I had to keep rubbing his back while sitting with him on my shoulder - every time I started to fall asleep he'd begin wriggling again...

But ladies, I'm using the past tense because DS officially 'slept through' the other night! :) he had his last feed at 7.30pm, then a bath, and went to bed at 8.30 and didn't feed again till 6.15am!!!!!!!

Obviously he hasn't repeated this feat, but his 'night' feed is now around 4/5am which is still brilliant. Though sleep is an odd thing - for some reason I still feel tired. Maybe because he's still waking and fussing at other times and I keep having to lean over and pop the dummy back in or rest my hand on his chest to get him back to sleep. Because yes, all this sleep has only been achieved with a dummy, and I'm fully expecting to be the one still complaining about tiredness when he's 2 because we keep having to get up to put the dummy back in...

Hawthers DS2 is in your room but you're in the spare room? Methinks he'll be safe in his own room then! Loving how these little tyrants rule our lives - especially our sleeping arrangements!

And Fishcake hello! I'm new and the brookers have very kindly welcomed me into this brilliant thread. :)

Wow pet, I can't even describe how I am at the sleeping! Once he's big enough to no strangle himself you can clip his dummy to him with a cord thing. I remember stressing over whether I clipped in the right place etc when babysitting my friends 1 year old.

Last night was a complete shocker. DT 1 did 3 hours at the beginning but I have been up hourly at least since his 11:30 pm wake up. It's now clear that bottles significantly worsen their colic so I'm back to doing every feed. :(

hawthers they're in their own room, too noisy in with me!!!

Oh, wailing here...

Sooooo jealous of the sleeping through babies Pet and Too! I'm starting to think A is going to be one of those babies that never sleeps through. DH did the first shift last night, after a brief sleep at her official bedtime of 7pm, she was then up from 9 to 3 with low level fussing (fortunately not real crying). I went in to try and help him at several points, and around 2 I really thought she'd broken him! I didn't take her from him early though, because I usually take over when she gets really fussy, and I think this is why he now can't settle her. Luckily she finally slept from 3 to 6.30 and now I'm looking after her.

I can't even imagine her sleeping from 7 to 7 with only 1 or 2 feeds in between and no wakeful periods. It seems like a pipe dream. I think I've read too much advice as well, I just have no idea how to get her to sleep for longer periods! So far we've instituted a bedtime, and we're differentiating day and night with low light and quiet plus zero stimulation at night. I'm also trying to feed her up as much as poss for the hour before bedtime. Nothing is working though, usually she's up every 2 hours throughout the night, not really hungry but still desperate for boob for comfort sucking. She'll be up between at least two of the feeds, altho sometimes (like last night) she'll be up much longer. She's not generally interested in any of the dummies we've bought her, and even when she does try sucking them they just fall out really quickly. Argh!

Apologies for the rant. I know I have it easy compared to those dealing with twins, older DC or colic (or all 3!). It just feels like we'll never get our nights back. DH is starting to really push for trying cry-it-out techniques, mainly because most of our NCT have used them and had a lot of success. I just can't imagine using those techniques when DD is only 6 weeks old!

Yay for Jaggy's treatment working! Woohoo! Also, are all the colds in your household gone yet? Hope you all feel better!

Fishcake sorry you've had such a stressful time recently. It's so good to have you back though! No Brooking for you to meet some lovely genuine friends nearby soon!

Hooray for Musical's move going so smoothly! Hope your nipples feel better soon. Little A is still making mine pretty sore unfortunately, but it's better than it was at the start!

Sorry I'm on my phone and can't remember who else I wanted to respond to. I hope everyone's had good nights though. Will check in later.

Morning all.

Hey guess what? Ds2 slept from 7-7:30 here and then woke me up with a bacon sandwich and a cup of tea on a little tray with a little vase and some OJ.... Oh, no, that's not right ......

No, I remember now, he fussed all evening feeding on and off and then woke at least every 90 minutes full of wind (poor baby). He fed at about 3 ish and then again now but has had a very fretful night in between. .

The poor little thing hasn't done a poo for almost 36 hours now boy is that gonna be a whopper when it comes so I suspect he is just full of wind and poo. This also allows me to dream that once he does 'clear out' (sorry if you're reading this over breakfast ) he'll be less fretful. Please allow me this delusion .

Needless to say I am also of these sleeping through babies. It's like I know ds2 can do better at night, because he has on the odd occasion. But there's always something that seems to be an excuse - a cold, a tummy full of poo, this that or the other. So I constantly think if I could just 'fix' this that or the other we'd be home and dry. But then there will be something else.

Dream sorry you've had such a bad night. And Hawthers too. I agree that ds2 would most likely be fine in his own room now, especially if you've already decamped to the spare room. Hope the transfer to his own room has magic properties and he sleeps through.....

Remember Dream you're doing amazingly ticking off the weeks. They have to grow out of colic eventually. No older babies / toddlers I know have it. I can't guarantee that that would mean they were sleeping through but at least it might eliminate the screaming, which must, frankly, grate a little? You are doing amazingly to still be ebf them both too. I don't know anyone else with ebf twins, and you're managing that on top of all the night time issues. I've always said you were superwoman and now it's officially proven. Fact.

Just think how you'll look back on these days and laugh . Ok, maybe not laugh but award yourself another large in congratulation at getting through it xx

Musical hope the nipples are not toooooooooo sore? How did you get on with the lansinoh? Was the tingling your allergy? I've never had it tingle although sometimes my nipples hurt still after a feed with a feeling that's not a million miles from a tingle. So say for an hour after each feed I'll still be able to tell which one I've fed on because they still hurt a wee bit. Or not really hurt - cant quite describe how it feels .

Jen how are you getting on with our newest addition?

Forgotten everything else. Any nice plans for the weekend around Brookesville?

Soo not a terrible night here. When she woke at 7.30pm I didn't feed or rock her to sleep and after twenty minutes she settled. She fed at midnight and four and when she woke at half five she settled herself! Dd1 got up at six though.

However we've made steps towards self soothing a f the new random times tell me she is actually hungry twice a night, not just waking from habit. So that's kind of okay because she needs it do must have it!aubr I need to think about how to tank her up in the day more?

That poo is going to require serious skills biacuits! Hopefully it will help things.

pet - wow! Don't worry on dummy, dd1 had one and by about seven. Months or so I just used to put lots in her cot so shed have a good chance of finding one herself. Now she still has one at night and getting rid of it is worrying me! You can also buy little comforter bears that you can attach the dummy to.

dream - which bottles are you using?

Quick one for Scream in particular but anyone else in the know. I've been eyeing up a Pacapod backpack changing bag. Three questions:

1. Scream I know yours is a different model (Portland?) but how heavy is it empty? My BabaBing is so blinking heavy before I even put anything in it that I want something lighter. I like the idea of a back pack so I'm hands free to deal with ds1 etc.

1. Where on earth can I buy it cheaper? Can only find it for the RRP of £80 . Happy to get one second hand except there aren't any on eBay, Gumtree or netmums local.

1. With yours Scream does it have space for your handbag contents? Is there actually enough space? My BabaBing has a pocket for parent stuff but it's too flat for me to fit my stupidly overfull purse in. I carry a lot of junk in my handbag - how would I cope?

I'm going to ask the PSEPPs too as I know some of them are very clued up on the change bag situation too.

Thank you

This is the one I was looking at

scream panic not! She's only 6 weeks. My DD was shocking at 6,7&8 weeks and suddenly improved at 9 weeks (but in her own room). It's generally accepted now that crying techniques are only for 6 months plus. The book 'healthy sleep habits, happy child' is written by the American paediatrician who works at the Sleep Disorder centre says so ;-) . And he is doing sleep stuff day in day out. (I don't have the book but i ring my friend who does :)

I use Dr brown bottles pomme as heard they're good for colicky babies.

Nice bag biscuits I want to know that about pacapods too, my two changing bag system isn't working. I can't fit change of clothes for DD etc in mine, its crammed...

Ah, I was going to suggest dr browns!

Well, after a fretful day yesterday we had 6 hours sleep from 11-5, fed and then slept til 7, fed and slept til 9.30! I had to get ds2 to verify to DH that D had been hard work while he wasn't there:) I have had a proper breakfast and my nipples are feeling tons better for the break.
I put D in little dungarees today ( instead of sleep suit. ) he suddenly looks like a little boy:( I don't want him to grow too quickly!
biscuits I went for the skip hop messenger in the end. It has loads of pockets, a roomy inside and several strap options. It has a big parent pocket on the front with a mobile pocket and key clip etc.

Biscuits I love love love my pacapod (you're right it is the Portland) so I'm gutted to not be able to give you more positive answers. However, if I'm honest the bag is pretty heavy even when it's empty. I think that's because it's made of sturdy materials, even when I jam extra stuff into it I'm not worried about it breaking, it feels well made. It's not SUPER heavy, but it's definitely not light. It hasn't bothered me at all though, because it has nifty little clips which make it really convenient to hang from the pram, and if I'm using it without the pram I carry it with the strap across my body.

I couldn't find it for significantly below RRP ANYWHERE, and I looked for MONTHS. I created a MN thread asking about discounts, and I kept an eye on multiple websites the whole time I was stuck at home. In the end I managed to get 10% off by buying it from a website which offered 10% off your first order. I never came across a pacapod-specific offer though. Sorry! If it's any consolation I genuinely think my bag was worth the £110 price tag now (this is coming from a person with a £30 handbag) and I've had so many positive comments from other Mums when I pop out the little pods.

The final q, about the parent pocket, again I'm afraid it is pretty narrow. I've been able to squish my massive purse in there, but it helps that my purse is very narrow. There's nothing wider than my little umbrella in the parent section. I have crammed my umbrella, wallet, two packs of tissues, lip balm, travel cards, staff pass, pens, keys and assorted junk in there! Although it's a narrow pocket it is the full width of the bag, so I've still managed to get a lot in there. I love that it has little pockets within the parent pocket, so I can always find my keys, lip balm, travel card etc by going straight to the correct mini-pocket.

I've found the pod system genuinely useful. Not sure the bag would cope well for two DC though, especially if one of them is older (more food, bigger change of clothes, etc).

Has that been of any use? I'm sorry to waffle so much, I just know that I was dying for extra info before spending all that money on mine, so I hope I've fully answered your q's. I know my answers seem negative, but I've really found the bag super helpful. Particularly when dealing with an explosive poo on the tube! Or when I needed my bottles of ebm to last an entire day of being out from 7.30am to half midnight (the feeder pod is a cool bag). Plus it's shiny and pretty without being childish or overly feminine

Must stop talking now! Apologies for the mammoth text. Thanks for the sleep encouragement everyone. Dream your point about having her sleep in her own room in a few weeks is a tempting one! I really think if she couldn't smell my milk she might wake less. I'm a bit paranoid about the SIDS thing though, despite the fact that their advice seems to change every couple of years! By 2013 they'll probably be advising parents it's safer to have your baby in a SEPARATE room for the first 6 months! However as a clueless newbie with a crippling case of PFB I'm too scared to go against the official advice. Another few weeks of sleep deprivation may change that though!

I had a pacapod Napier biscuits and scream which I used for about a year. The pods are good but limit the other space iyswim. I found having no space for my stuff the deal breaker eventually as it meant my purse and phone was in the unclose able part which was worrying.

scream - I always find it a case of weighing up advice. If she's on her back, you don't smoke and you're breast feeding then you can probably take on the extra 'risk' of own room if you're comfortable with it. I decided to wean dd1 at 17 weeks (having a baby who doesn't like milk is no fun) but was super, super careful about what she ate until 6 months and read lots of studies about early weaning etc.

I moved A to a travel cot in our room at 7 weeks instead of the moses basket which helped a lot. Some babies aren't very keen on the basket.

Thanks Scream that's really helpful. I think I need to see one in the flesh before I take the plunge probably! DH will not be best pleased if I keep changing my mind!

I like the idea of lots of pockets though for the parent stuff. I've been looking online and on eBay etc but no one ever puts a pic of the parent pocket, just the pods and the whole thing.

scream, I was also very scared of the SIDS risk with DD, but was so exhausted I was miserable. like now . I also risk assessed that she was bf, on her back, non smoking household, not premature and on getting fab results so quickly carried on and she did 7-7 at 10w 5d from being a 2 hourly girl and I was despairing like you. The boys are in their own room as they're so noisy, plus Seb is a milk smeller, though i end up co-sleeping with Ben for at least part of every night. I'd rather do own room than co-sleep personally. My two paediatrician friends will not co-sleep until after 6 months having seen SID babies brought in who were co sleeping, and one requirement for safe co sleeping is not being exhausted, and i really am feeling exhausted and weepy and negative . so own rooms for me! And worse, I sleep Ben on his side. pet is your ds on his tummy still? Considering that too...

I love the idea of the pacapod but not sure it'll be big enough for 3 in nappies and 3 changes of clothes.... Is the Portland the biggest scream? I saw a different one recommended on a twins site. Hold on while i find it...

biscuits John Lewis have pacapods in store, is ther one near you?
D is being model baby so far today,going 3 hours between feeds and happy to be in his chair or held by DH! My boobs are still working to yesterday's schedule though so I am leaking a lot!

Dream how old is old enough not to strangle themselves then? DS sleeps on his back now (or sometimes on his side) but he still likes to nap on his front on people's laps. Once he's old enough to move around I imagine I'll find him hunched in a ball on his front as he does seem to feel more comfortable like that.

As far as sleep goes, I have no tips except for the dummy - I didn't realise that so many babies refuse them. I feed him every 2 hours (or even slightly closer together) in the afternoon (rather than every 3-5 which he usually does in the morning) to 'tank him up' before bedtime. He usually has 6 or 7 feeds in 24 hours. It seems to be enough...

Biscuits I hope that poo comes soon! My DS hasn't been for 3 days now and I'm starting to get twitchy, especially when we go out (don't relish the thought of a public nappy explosion). My mum reminded me that I suffered badly from constipation as a little one (hospital visits and everything) - hope my LO isn't the same! When he fusses at night it often sounds like he's straining, and then he quite comically actually passes wind. Could that be because I don't burp him for long enough so it ends up at the other end, as it were? Does anyone know?

And Scream my DS only started sleeping in his basket at six weeks so you're doing well. He's 10 weeks old today so you've got plenty of time to beat his best sleep record without trying the crying it out techniques, unless you want to. The Baby Whisperer talks about 3 crying crescendos before upset babies sleep, but even when DS is crying with exhaustion while I'm getting him ready for bed, I can never tell if he's following that pattern and couldn't bear to leave him to find out .

Tbh pet the strap she has to clip the dummy on was no way long enough to get tangled in, you just clipped the dummy to the shoulder of the sleeping bag but baby has to be old enough to find it still and understand its there!

I won't mention the up-hourly dts are 10 weeks on Wednesday... :( :(

Also brooking for a nice poo biscuits, for ds obviously not you :) . DD used to go every 10 days. I was so twitchy about leaving the house from 6 days on... No nappy is a match for a 10 day poo... Were you bf pet? Bf babies are rarely constipated, like my DD can just have v good absorption.