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Google tiger in the treebiscuits, there should be pics.

i have 'the pregnancy bible' or whatever it's called which had a photo of baby doing it.

D would be happy to hold a sleep seminar (when he wakes up!) he did from 11.30-5.00 and then back to sleep at 6.00 :) I got up at 7.30 to have breakfast,get dressed etc. I do have rather Large boobs though!

Jaggy I like your description of R's 'increasingly annoyed noises' - that's just it, isn't it? They genuinely sound crosser and crosser! Grr at your DH's helpful solution.

Wants you need to wipe that smug grin off your face! I am in awe of D's sleeping. Presumably that's just what happens with DC3, right? We're being tested with 1 and 2 but it all falls into place with anyone brave enough to attempt 3...

No pet as Ben is dc3 here and he's my worst ever sleeper!!! In fact I had one of my worst nights last night. I finally got them down at 1:45 & each was up every 45 min to 1 hr til 5:45 when Ben was so fretful again I resumed the walk and jig...

just had tummy time after bath, guilt must have been getting to me!

wants - I'm so jealous!

jaggy - I gave dd1 lots of tummy time and at 10 weeks she could pull herself up fully on arms and roll over. A is a bit pathetic at tummy time. I've been doing it but just for 2-3 mins twice a day. need to up it a bit. She just makes pathetic whiney noises although she can now lift her head (put not pull up with arms).

dream - I don't know how you're doing it. HV has told me that things that might help are better naps as A currently just catnaps a lot and maybe a bottle of ebm before bed as a top up. Will try bottle post weekend away if things don't start to get better. Am going to work harder at naps but it's going to limit activities etc I think.

that's reminded me that i still haven't got the expressing gear out for bottle practice for DS2. another thing for the list
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he's quite good at lifting his head up but the chubby wee arms were hopeless at any lifting!

pomme, I definitely didn't do enough tummy time with DD. Embarrassing, muchly as I really do know better. She didn't roll til I had a flap about it, practiced with her and she nailed it in 3 days (at 8 months...).

I am not smug pet just incredibly lucky. I will probably be on here next year weeping about the terrible twos or some other thing that has been sent to try me and you can all laugh at me :)
D woke up at 9.15 and it feels like he has been on the boob ever since, apart from 2 nappy changes.
music I started using my reusables this week, it's going well so far apart from a few 'mummy' errors when I didn't check how things were laying( you won't have that problem with a girl!) have you got a bucket yet. We went for the bambino mio one because it has a mesh bag inside that goes straight in the machine with no extra nappy handling! A few drops of tea tree in the bottom helps keep nasty smells at bay too.

Tummy time, you say? Right, will start that today! I didn't know you were supposed to do that - definitely not for an hour a day. I have been a bit wary of putting M down on the floor in case the dog stands on her. also might have to hoover if PSB is going to be at carpet level

M's Top Tips For 6 Hours Sleep

1. Wake up at about 6pm
2. Feed
3. Feed
4. Snooze for 5 or 10 mins on Mummy. It is helpful if this occurs at the same time as dinner but not essential.
5. Feed
6. Grizzle until Mummy or Daddy spends 30-60 mins walking, bouncing, singing etc
7. Mummy gets into bed, and then remembers she hasn't prepped M's bed. Gets Daddy to bring blankets and put hot water bottle into basket.
8. Feed
9. Feed

10. Fall asleep somewhere between 10.30 and midnight.

I think the key is the constant evening feeding for literally hours. I generally get woken up around 4-6am for a quick half hour's feed and then she goes back to sleep for a couple of hours. Sometimes she'll do that twice and we usually wake up for the day at around 9ish.

Hey, we're going to try taking M swimming this afternoon! Need to go buy swimming nappies. We got a baby wetsuit from JoJoMamanBebe, although they were out of pink so we got a blue one instead, which means everyone is going to assume she's a boy.

Wants, I haven't started using mine yet - still on the disposables for the trial we're doing - but hoping to start in the next couple of days. Will go out and buy a nappy pail/bucket later! We've already bought two mesh bags, so might just buy a simple cheap bin/bucket like structure from somewhere :) thanks for the tea tree tip too! Have just prepped some of the nappies, and will do the rest later.

Too, sounds like DD has a similar bedtime routine to M! Only dinner and the snoozing never coincide, and I haven't tried a hot water bottle in her basket. She often naps for 5-10 mins during the constant feeding. It's definitely evenings that are making life worse for my nipples...!

I've been doing quite a bit of tummy time with DD. She can drag herself along a blanket/bed, which is slightly worrying - guessing the leg crawling movement is part of the stepping reflex which she will lose soonish anyway..?

DH is now home for the next 9 days - hurrah! Maybe I'll be able to hoover for the first time in ages..

We used to do a lot of tummy time/rolling practice on our bed Too - just make sure they are on a blanket or something to contain any sick!!

also have this mat which we had for DS1.

I have been putting a jersey sheet over me and D during the bedtime feedings. It picks up our body heat and then I lay it in the basket before transfer and loosely swaddle D before putting a blanket on. It seems to work.
I have managed to get the feeds about 2 hours apart today so far, I am hoping this one will result in slightly longer than 15 minute catnap!

Well. Ben was doing tummy time on my lap and is asleep. hurrah . It's really important. Babies spend way too much time in bouncers/ car seats/ on their backs sleeping/ buggies and need tummy time to strengthen their extensor muscles in their neck and back, for head and trunk control, shoulder girdle strength when they're pushing up on their arms (doing this plus crawling builds stability and even helps with writing at age 4-5, my DD already at a disadvantage there!) Etc etc. biscuits, if he loved tummy time on the floor that's great, job done. The other ways are to persuade the less inclined to spend more time tummy down! I've been thinking about it, and I persevered daily with DD with flying/ carrying her face down but just never succeeded with her on the floor or over my lap for more than a few minutes. She walked early but I wish she'd crawled...

pomme, if buggied i can sometimes get 2 hour + naps out of the twins and they have an ebm bottle every night. Doesn't help me, but the ebm bottle got my nephew and niece sleeping through! Nothing like people telling you to give formula to get you to persevere ebf I've found . Even the LC told me to give a formula bottle if need be! Probably hence why I'm still exhausting myself ebf- ing :) You could try the ebm bottle and if no joy and you want to try a ff bottle for the 10pm feed. Sleep deprivation is so awful. I'm thinking of not going to this wedding tomorrow as i can't face packing up and the boys sleep is so shit.

Hope M likes swimming too. I bought DD a blue wetsuit. Who cares?! I didn't like the pink one. I got her a neoprene type one, a splash about I think. We've not been for ages though... Love her tips for sleeping! Ben defies them though, but i guess that's his colic making him feed all evening and he's just too uncomfortable to sleep.

we're just having some inadvertent skin to skin here after R puked all over me and then himself. and i haven't bothered getting up to get us more clothes yet.

supposed to be going out but DS1 is still asleep despite DH's loud diy noise.

Dream I've been meaning to ask you how you how bedtime for DD has been now the boys are here? Does it still take her a long time to go to sleep and is one of you still having to stay in her room and crawl out?

Thanks for all the tummy time info.

Pomme I'm the same as you. Every time I've almost decided to give DD formula DH or Mum will pipe up "why don't you just get her on the bottle?" and then I feel a bit of internal rage (don't know why ) and decide to keep going

Loving the DM/MIL/LC rage helping you continue with bf, Pomme, Scarlet and Dream!

Wow, tummy time = best thing since sliced bread! M often gets to lie face down on me trying to climb up my chest, and I'll put her down and tuck her little arms underneath her so she looks like she can crawl. Will do more when she wakes up. At her 8 week jabs (aged 11 weeks) the GP said she had excellent head control and was holding her head up really well when put face down.

We swam! We went in and the lady behind the desk said that the baby pool is either the same temp as the big pool or cooler so we just went into the big one. M looked so cute in her little blue neoprene suit! When she first got wet her face screwed up with the shock of the cold water and I thought she was going to howl, but DH swished her about in the water and she didn't. We managed about 10 mins of 'swimming' before M got too cold and started to cry. She never quite got to the big gummy grin stage - she had a very intense look of concentration the whole time. I think it was just a bit too cold. Still, she was good for quite a while, so I think she will like it if we find a baby pool that's actually warm. We discussed letting her go under the water but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I was too scared she would howl inconsolably/get chlorine in her eyes/drink the water and choke and throw up. I signed her up for swimming lessons - they start at 6 months so she has a while to go yet, but they said they had a waiting list so I thought best to be prepared.

I might be being thick, but Dream, how do you teach a baby to roll? I can't quite picture it.

I might also be thick Too because I was also trying to figure it out
I imagined it was Dream rolling around on the floor herself to show DD, but maybe it's not that?

at Dream rolling around on floor!

Hey, have you seen the ? I love them!

Feeding again but D did sleep for a while in-between. We had the double whammy nappy change earlier,just got the clean one on and he filled it! Luckily DH just walked in and i told him it was his turn:)

Got A to nap for an hour and half at lunchtime. Following on from HV's advice with some googling I have diagnosed her with under tiredness during the day. Anyway she's asleep in her cot now. God, fingers crossed it goes okay tonight, we've got to drive up to the family this weekend and do family things (both families live close together - in an area west of scarlet and biscuits!).

Under-tiredness, Pomme? What's that? How did you get her to sleep?

Apparently taking babies swimming exhausts them and makes them zonk out for 3 hours!

Oooh I'm intrigued where that might be Pomme. Hope you have a great weekend.

Really quick one as DT2 who's been crying for a heartbreaking 5 hours is asleep on the boob. Huge relief.

Rolling- I showed DD through loads of patterning, so I moved her from her tummy onto her back in the way she should be doing it iykwim. Repeated until she was totally fed up of it, and giving less and less help, then loads of praise when she ended up on her back. I worked on tummy to back first, figuring as she hated tummy time it was an incentive to learn, and also that if she knew she wasn't stuck on her tummy she might be happier to go on it iykwim. ( it actually meant I could never keep her on her tummy ever again!!). same when she started walking and used to fall backwards like a plank and whack her head. We did loads of practice of different things to help, like me kneeling by the sofa with her sat on my lap and getting her to stand and reach for a toy from there and then sit back down to my lap so she'd get the idea of bending in the middle and going onto her bottom not planking backwards onto her head. Tis my job though :)

Wow pomme, how did you persuade her to nap for 1.5 hours?! Under tiredness? Tell all :)

scarlet DD is a changed child since the dts born. Not clingy now, from day 2 home from hospital, goes to bed with minimal fuss (& rigid routine), though she still stays awake a long time. We have had a few bad evenings, the most memorable and miserable when the dts cried for 4 hours with me trying to soothe them downstairs and DD cried for 2 hours with dh trying to soothe her upstairs :( . But overall improving. Except DD has discovered the full blown tantrum and my can she tantrum... Terrible 2's at 20 months?!