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April 2011 - silence might be golden but the April ladies are diamond so chat on

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GlaikitFizzog · 13/01/2012 11:24

Ta Dah!

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chillikat · 11/04/2012 22:23

I still feed M at night. She's rarely slept through. Usually has feeds about midnight and 5am and can be hard to resettle at 5.

ecuse · 12/04/2012 21:59

Aah thanks for the kind words, everyone, you're lovely. It was quite fun so far. Got home on my first day to a bunch of flowers and dinner on the go. This from a DP who has barely lifted a finger whilst I've been on mat leave. Suddenly a domestic goddess! Long may it continue... Joanna is absolutely fine at the CM, it has been great catching up with old friends and colleagues and having some adult office banter to.pass the day. And I've come back to.some interestingprojects too. We'll see how it goes when first week euphoria wears off. Absolutely knackered though. J used to sleep in to anything from 7.30 to 8.30 and now we have to wake her at 6.

We were still having occasional night feeds till about 3 weeks ago when she suddenly started sleeping through (touch wood).

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 13/04/2012 08:56

out me - re the bottles of milk. What do YOU want to do (taking into consideration S's feelings as well of course)? Are you ok about S's milk intake? Is S ok with it? Do you think he needs more or less food? Is it the actual bottle element you want to get rid of? Ignore what 'they' say he 'should' have and do what you think is right for S Smile

Glad you enjoyed work Ecuse Smile

Where are Ali and Arch? Hope you guys are both all ok. Do you have anything to confirm Arch

Off to see a friend in the village this morning, then back for lunch and naps for both boys so I can read some more of my book, The Slap. Anyone read it?

OutMeAndDie · 13/04/2012 09:48

Thanks ilike the hv was actually fab. Cos he's not gained much in the last few weeks she said there's no need to drop it and when they are poorly and teething they take comfort in it, and to just increase his healthy snacks. It's more the mil that might start. I seem to recall her saying my dnw should have been cut down at 1. And her dne son stopped a bottle completely at 1 and have milk in a cup. S is happy so I reckon we will carry on. Only a month and he goes onto cows milk instead of formula. Hopefully he'll have slowed down by the time I stop breast feeding the baby which won't be til about feb next year.

Have a nice day

chillikat · 13/04/2012 15:43

Well, I've survived my first week back at work. It's not been too bad and I'm beginning to remember what it is I did, or do Confused. M has been fine at nursery, other than refusing lunch, but she does that at home too. Starting to have morning naps was strange too, thoguh she didn't bother today and is napping now :)

Nighttime sleep has been up and down - Wednesday night she was up every 2 hours which was exhausting, then last night she did 8 hours straight, feed at 5 then back down til 7 (please keep this up). However, getting her to sleep last night was horrible. She's not really feeding to sleep any more and has taken to crying when put in the cot and ended up getting in a real state, then she'd feed to sleep to calm herself down. But that's not how I want her to go to sleep. How on earth do we get her to settle without crying?

ecuse glad work went ok :)

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 13/04/2012 16:22

Out me- didn't you say that S was walking? That would be the reason why he hasn't put on much weight. You may find that from now on S won't put on much weight, he'll just get taller.

Glad work went well Chilli Smile Wrt to crying at bedtime, I often go through the checklist: tired, overtired, hungry, ill, in pain or over stimulated. Or maybe it is her sleep cue? I'm sure I have heard of that before.

OutMeAndDie · 13/04/2012 16:37

Yeah he is. His weight has levelled since he started crawling.

chillikat · 13/04/2012 19:36

Thanks, I Like I sometimes think she's generally over tired, but possibly not tired enough at bedtime. She only has one nap a day, usually 2pm, sometimes even later - today was 3pm until 4.40 after waking at 7am. I'm going to try and get into a proper routine with her next week. Pick her up from nursery, home, BF (my lunch) and then out for a nap inducing walk. Hopefully she'll be napping by 1.30-2pm then. Sadly that means no afternoon sessions but if her bedtime and sleep improves that doesn't matter for now.
I think she might be a bit clingy at the moment what with the new routine.

JKSLtd · 13/04/2012 19:59

We have a 4 o clock rule - no napping after that if we want to maintain a normal bedtime :)

DD tried a bit of cruising today - the Wii remote was the target, lol. But then of course you have to disappoint and take it away!

Glad work people are coping ok, think I could now, but couldn't have a few months ago, DD sleeps through now thankfully. So kudos if you're doing it on disturbed sleep Grin

Lovely day, farm + beach (with a DD nap in between) - think I may have caught the sun a bit.

Friend's DD (5yrs) has finally appeared to have got chicken pox - now that I have DD who hasn't had it yet so I don't feel able to have her DD round when she's at work. Both boys had it and were fine with it but feels somehow wrong to inflict it on DD really.

NotBobbysGirl · 14/04/2012 03:52

OutMe I cut R's 3 rd bottle around January/February time but was actually pondering whether to re-introduce it this last week or so as she's going through a terrible time just now with teething and refusing to eat etc etc so worried that she might start losing weight but like ILTMI says she is also crawling and cruising now so perhaps her weight is going to platueau a bit anyway. You always think you've got something sussed and then they throw you another curve ball!!

Sleeps's up the spout here too, also on account of the teething :( I reckon it's hitting me quite hard as I have been spoiled up until now with a very good sleeper but just now we're having around 4-5 wake ups a night and starting the day at 6am - I feel wrecked!! Add to that, that R is just basically a miserable, clingy so and so for around 85% of the day and it means everyone is very fed up!! I'm fortunately on nightshift at the moment so DP is having to deal with the night time drama! Yesterday my mum had her during the day so I could sleep and normally she would revel in it but when DP went to pick her up she was more than happy for R to leave!! There better be at least 3 teeth in by next week otherwise I'm writing an official complaint!!

Under normal circumstances Chilli we still have a morning and afternoon nap, if we don't R is impossible. There was a point when I thought she was dropping the morning one but it just resulted in her falling asleep at lunch or refusing to eat lunch because she was too tired and then not being able to sleep because she was hungry! Vicious circle, so for that reason I try and enforce encourage a nap in the morning. :)

OutMeAndDie · 16/04/2012 09:55

Mind if i take over for a mo? Got my consultant appt tomorrow, asking for an elective. Any advice would be welcome. Below is what i am taking with me;

NICE Guidelines - CG132 Caesarean Section
1.1.1.2 Give pregnant women evidence-based information about CS during the antenatal period, because about one in four women will have a CS. Include information about CS, such as:
? indications for CS (such as presumed fetal compromise, 'failure to progress' in labour, breech presentation)
? what the procedure involves
? associated risks and benefits
? implications for future pregnancies and birth after CS. [new 2011]

1.2.5 Placenta praevia
1.2.5.1 Women with a placenta that partly or completely covers the internal cervical os (minor or major placenta praevia) should be offered CS. [2004, amended 2011]

1.2.9 Maternal request for CS
1.2.9.1 When a woman requests a CS explore, discuss and record the specific reasons for the request. [new 2011]
1.2.9.2 If a woman requests a CS when there is no other indication, discuss the overall risks and benefits of CS compared with vaginal birth and record that this discussion has taken place (see box A). Include a discussion with other members of the obstetric team (including the obstetrician, midwife and anaesthetist) if necessary to explore the reasons for the request, and ensure the woman has accurate information. [new 2011]
1.2.9.3 When a woman requests a CS because she has anxiety about childbirth, offer referral to a healthcare professional with expertise in providing perinatal mental health support to help her address her anxiety in a supportive manner. [new 2011]
1.2.9.4 Ensure the healthcare professional providing perinatal mental health support has access to the planned place of birth during the antenatal period in order to provide care. [new 2011]
1.2.9.5 For women requesting a CS, if after discussion and offer of support (including perinatal mental health support for women with anxiety about childbirth), a vaginal birth is still not an acceptable option, offer a planned CS. [new 2011]
1.2.9.6 An obstetrician unwilling to perform a CS should refer the woman to an obstetrician who will carry out the CS. [new 2011]

1.8 Pregnancy and childbirth after CS
1.8.1 When advising about the mode of birth after a previous CS consider:
? maternal preferences and priorities
? the risks and benefits of repeat CS
? the risks and benefits of planned vaginal birth after CS, including the risk of unplanned CS. [new 2011]
1.8.2 Inform women who have had up to and including four CS that the risk of fever, bladder injuries and surgical injuries does not vary with planned mode of birth and that the risk of uterine rupture, although higher for planned vaginal birth, is rare. [new 2011]
1.8.3 Offer women planning a vaginal birth who have had a previous CS:
? electronic fetal monitoring during labour
? care during labour in a unit where there is immediate access to CS and on-site blood transfusion services. [2011]
1.8.4 During induction of labour, women who have had a previous CS should be monitored closely, with access to electronic fetal monitoring and with immediate access to CS, because they are at increased risk of uterine rupture[4]. [2004, amended 2011]
1.8.5 Pregnant women with both previous CS and a previous vaginal birth should be informed that they have an increased likelihood of achieving a vaginal birth than women who have had a previous CS but no previous vaginal birth. [2004

Consultant Appointment ? 17th April, 09:45am.
? False labour started Sunday 8th May. Back pain. Was examined at hospital and found to be barely dilated. Was given a sweep and sent home.
? Sunday night, waters broke. Was examined at hospital and told my waters were still intact and I wasn?t contracting frequently enough (they were more frequent at home). Was sent home with co-codamol for the pain.
? Woke on the Monday to nothing. No pains, no labour.
? Tuesday morning woke in pain. Was due to see my midwife but waited a few hours until the contractions were painful and went to hospital. Was 3/3.5cm dilated. Still unclear as to If my waters had broken so was allowed to remain in Willow ward.
? A decision was taken later that day to admit me to labour ward as it was still unclear re my waters. I was about 3.5cm dilated still.
? I was connected to the machines without being changed into my nightdress and there I remained.
? I was ok with gas and air mostly and eventually had pethadine ? it is unclear to me if this was late on.
? I was put on a drip to induce me I believe, and baby reacted to this and his heartbeat dipped. All the midwives came rushing in to turn me as I was in too much pain to move. I was moved both ways, the drip was turned off, and a heart monitor was attached to baby?s head.
? I was told at this stage that if things didn?t progress soon I would need a c-sec. I recall this being about 9pm, and only being 4cm dilated. I was scared stiff when told the drip was being turned back on and increased slowly, in case baby?s heartbeat slowed again.
? At 1am I was told I was having a s-sec, and still nothing happened. The surgeon apparently went into theatre. I was left until 4am by which time I was in agony and couldn?t manage without the gas and air.
? I recall feeling slurred when I came round and not being aware I had been put under due to baby being stuck and me needing a blood transfusion.
? At no point was I told baby was back to back.
? I am not prepared to risk going through all this again.

OutMeAndDie · 16/04/2012 10:33

Have added;
? After recent health visitor appt I have been told my sons head is on the 95th centile and I believe this also could have contributed to my complications.
? Baby was 8.6. Not small for someone of my size. My midwife didn?t want me going past my date.
? It will be only 16 months since my emergency c-sec and I am terrified my scar will rupture.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 16/04/2012 10:46

Good luck for tomorrow outme, I don't think I can be of any help regarding your appt, but just wanted to say I hope you are able to talk to your Cons and come out of the appt with what you want. Is dh going with you? I would imagine it could be quite an emotional time going through your previous experience, so having someone there would be a great help.

Had a fab weekend. We went to Jimmy's Farm on Saturday and visited the IL's in their caravan on Sunday. The hailstones we had helped me make the decision to holiday abroad this year Grin

OutMeAndDie · 16/04/2012 10:53

Thanks ilike no i am going alone as we would have to take S otherwise and it would be too distracting.

Oh lovely :)

GlaikitFizzog · 16/04/2012 10:53

Good luck outme. Its good you have everything written down. I hadn't realised you had such a rough time.

I think the point about a consultant unwilling to perform a cs has to refer you yo one who is willing very interesting. I hadn't realised that.

I'm sure you will be fine.

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OutMeAndDie · 16/04/2012 10:59

Thanks fizz They are the new NICE guidelines introduced in Nov 2011!! My mil is apperently emailing me advice - you may remember she was a midwife moons ago. She doesnt think i will get one but she hasnt seen the new guidelines so i am going to email it to her! :-P

GlaikitFizzog · 16/04/2012 11:18

I think you have every right to get a cs. Did you ever have a debrief about what happened before?

I think your mil would be right back in her day but now they are much more supportive of the mothers wishes.

Have you anyone to go with you? Just to hold your hand. I was a wreck at my debrief.

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OutMeAndDie · 16/04/2012 11:21

Nope nothing! I am still a bit 'well i think this is what happened'. And no nobody but i will be ok. I think i will be better on my own (hope so!)

GlaikitFizzog · 16/04/2012 12:20

I'm sure you will. print off 2 copies of your points so you can hand one over. might help if you do get overwhelmed.

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OutMeAndDie · 16/04/2012 12:26

Good thinking!

Starshaped · 16/04/2012 12:38

Sorry, no advice to add OMD but I hope everything goes well tomorrow Smile

Fraktal · 16/04/2012 14:53

No real advice other than to not be dispirited if it doesn't get green-lighted tomorrow. Keep making a pain of yourself, wrote letters, request referrals, extra scans, everything to the point of showing them a cost-benefit analysis of an ELCS over what you will push for if you don't get it.

Take notes if what they say too.

Good luck!

chillikat · 16/04/2012 16:27

Good luck tomorrow Out Me I hope they give you the go-ahead. Your labour sounds grim - I thought mine was bad at 31 hours ending in c-sec. I'd also go for an elective after last time.

OutMeAndDie · 16/04/2012 16:32

Thanks ladies, i will update you when i get to work.

Chilli 31 hours and a csec sounds grim!

NotBobbysGirl · 16/04/2012 19:02

Good luck for tomorrow OutMe I'm not sure the exact ins and outs of it all and it may be related the the new NICE guidelines but I was under the impression that women in England were able to elect for CS if they so wished?
You would have more reason than many given your last experience. Hope you get the answers you want and if not like Frak says just keep on at them until you do :)