Feb 2011: the one where the babies are destruction machines

[ChestnutsREASTIEingOnTheFire]

...or is that just mine?

Right as the Past Master of Scones I will let you know that it is pronounced... sc-on.

reastie I was way more pfb with my pfb but when everyone else (but me) is eating doughnuts it's impossible not to let her have some!! She just eats what we eat now, which is SW with doughnuts basically Sounds like work went ok, and of course you missed A, she's your girl :)

emski clever Noah :)

blizy tax returns sound tres dull, can you listen to something interesting whilst doing them?

ledkr can't believe Dilly is nearly one!

expat my DH has never got up with either of our girls in the night. He is 100% crap when it comes to that sort of thing.

wiggs I can't actually watch the news when it talks about babies dying, just too awful for words :( Well done to dentist, my teeth feel a bit oomf diddly but I'm too scared busy to go.

Bloody knackered today, girls have wanted a piece of me all day, I've got nothing left now. Don't really know why I'm so tired as I slept till 6.30 and they both slept till 7.30! Imy's just being a nightmare atm and then refused to nap so was a gremlin all afternoon.

Had a scare this evening, took the plates to the kitchen leaving the girls in their highchairs, when I came back Sabine was STANDING in hers about to topple out! Naughty little Bean.

Right think I might head to bed, sleep well everyone xx

reastie well done getting though today :) I miss A most days, I remember posting on here that I kept looking at photos of her when I was first back at work (well I still do now)

blizy poor old baby mindee, am not looking forward to 12 month jabs Good luck with tax return, what a pain in the bum eh

wiggles eek forgot that free dentist runs out soon - I need to at least get another check up done. Hope you're feeling ok after emergency trip (yikes)

ledkr phew glad D has been sleeping well, it makes such a big difference doesn't it. at your dh, get it together man!!

*deb8 yes indeed with the pronouncing of sc-on and at Bean - do you have the ikea highchair that was in the news recently?! We do and A tries to stand up in it, she'd def topple out if she didn't have the tiny little strap to keep her in...

Watching 15 kids and counting, and is all I have to say...

ponyo I watched a bit of the 15 kids thing last week, I felt a bit for wingeing about running round after Nate now. Imagine 15 of him, aaargh!

wiggles thanks for reminding me re free dentist, I have a while yet as N was early bless him.

deb scary Sabine! Nate has managed to get out if his Ikea chair even when strapped in but doesn't bother now. He just takes one foot out and hangs it off the side, he just needs a tab in one hand and a pint in the other to complete the look.

emski wow Noah is so clever. Ha ha, yes Nate is slow, I don't care if he can walk

american Dh tries with N but doesn't do it enough and now Nate is a total mummy's boy and just wants me all the time. Big sigh.

My sex life is now so rubbish I actually had an erotic dream last night about my own husband. How unimaginative is that?

Ah Borg you are really letting the side down, erotic dreams about your own dh, no, no thrice no . Anna just wants me all the time too "MamaMamaMama now" Ok I made the now bit up. I was cuddling O on my knee this afternoon and Anna was raging, she came marching over and started shoving O off my knee .

Film was very funny, well worth a look.

borg surely the dream tells us all how wonderful your sex life is as you don't even need to think about anything else or you're just trying to get on mr borg the lurkers good side

we watched 127 hours last night. Last night I kept dreaming about climbers getting stuck and lost and I had to try and save them .

oh yes, forgot to ask you all. how often do you offer water to the LOs? i only ask as alice gets milk first and last thing and then water (of varying amounts depending on what she takes) at breakfast, lunch and dinner and 2 snacks. when mil had alice yesterday she took a beaker out with her and said she gave alice a drink while they were out to which i was and a bit that i never do this (but i'm unsure if i should. part of me thinks if it's not necessary then i don't want to have to start now as it's an extra thing to think about and have to carry around but the other part doesn't want to be a bad neglectful mother (alothough not sure if i am or not). v long winded way of asking a simple question there wasn't it

oh, and ledkr work is so so. up and down/

Borg haha to your dream, I have had a few rude dreams about dp which I also put down to lack of action! If I want to do anything about it I tell him, if not I keep it to myself

Wiggles love the image of A shoving her siblings off your lap She sounds so determined. Do you notice similarities with her and S or O more?

Reastie I still have to watch 127 hours, yikes. Re water, I try and have it around all day to keep offering it to A but this doesn't always happen, she really doesn't drink much either I wouldn't worry about it, as long as its being offered with food regularly that should be ok? I am (clearly) a bit clueless though so we'll wait and see what others say...

Well here is my morning boast - A slept through, no noise no crying! I think I should be feeling more lively this morning but no

reastie - I miss L during the day too and collecting him from nursery is the highlight of my day. We don't regularly offer him water, sometimes he gets a bottle of water if he's being grizzly and doesn't "need" milk. I think they have it on offer at nursery all day but I'm not sure how much he drinks.

delia - I'm quite happy to leave DH to it, it's when he wakes me to sort it that we have a problem. We talked about it last night, I told him exactly how I get L to sleep (which is what they do at nursery too) and he claimed it's the first time he'd heard it. Even though I've told him at least twice before, not including during the night. He's driving me batty.

Borg - I have had the occasional naughty dream about DH as well. I follow Ponyo's philosophy. I did consider waking him in the middle of the night last week, gave myself a huge eyeroll and went back to sleep.

L gets strapped into his highchair with a 5 point harness but still manages to wiggle out of it. They said he managed to get out of the straps and sit on the tray at nursery (while supervised, of course). I think he might be part monkey.

They're having (vegetarian) haggis, neeps and tatties and maybe some whisky today at nursery.

D has water with meals and i do offer it occasionally but shes not interested much.
Well i spoke too soon,Dilly woke at 4.30 im praying it was aone off but dont think so,i find it usualy follows a period of hell waking.
I dont actually sleep enough for erotic dreams but do manage a bit of rl action a couple of times a week,i think im more interested than dh tho.Its my age,im in my prime ladies
I have been low carbing and shredding and have managed to shift acouple of pounds,im not sure how much longer i can keep it up tho,its tres expensive,all that meat.
deb can you give me a couple of typical days on sw,jusst for reference,it never works for me cos i think i eat too much on it. Do you do red and green or extra easy?

american can you share the "getting him to sleep" secret.

Hi ladies,

Look, we have a bit of an issue with C waking at night at the mo, and I would really appreciate any thoughts. She has always been a really good sleeper on the whole, down at 7, sleeps right through 6 ish not fed in the night since 4 months.

Then over Christmas, she was doing a bit of yelling in the night, we would go in and calpol/bonjela (for teeth/snotty nose, whatever), and cuddle for a bit and she would go back to sleep. Sometimes she would stir again and we would do a bit of ignoring and eventually she would go back.

Anyway, the last few weeks, things have gone a bit tits up. She was ill in hosp, and then we had to wake her for drugs a couple of times then once a night. And really, since then, she's not slept through. That all stopped about 2 weeks ago.

So what is happening is she wakes, moans a bit as if she just wants her dummy, but then gets irate if I give it her then leave the room. She then ramps up into full on rage (like tantrum rage, with some of that lovely almost-silent screaming) and I just don't know what to do about it. We tried leaving for a bit, but she just carried on getting worked up. We tried cuddling, but she was still raging in my arms, we ended up bringing her into our bed, and she was still screaming, just right in ours ears now.

We are trying calpol and bonjela in case of teething, but it really seems like nothing is actually 'wrong'.

I don't know what to do , she was such a great sleeper. The time she wakes is inconsistent, can be about 10pm, or 2.30am, and this morning was 5 so she never went back to sleep then [verytireddeliatodayicon].

I feel like she gets frustrated as she can't get herself back to sleep, but she puts herself to sleep fine at bedtime (happily, chats to her muslin then drifts off) and at naptime (bit of shouting but not genuine distress).

I know lots of you have had sleep ups and downs, so any thoughts?

In other news, I think I'm being made redundant . And someone crashed into me today . It's really a classic day in the Delia house today.

D

ponyo Well donoe A on sleeping [grr] I don't know who A is like. I had forgotten and not appreciated how chilled Sofia was as a baby, the fab sleeping etc, although she is definitely tweenaging it at the minute Life is so very hard for her, this is being caused by not having a seperate tv anywhere else in the house . Olivia and Anna are exceptionally affectionate, Sofia is and always was a bit more self contained.

Although Anna is a very bubbly and "up" kind of baby like Sofia, Olivia was a bit more moody, still can be . Mr W says Olivia has peaks and troughs in her moods whereas Sofia tends to sail along, willing to try anything new etc, not much fazes her, Anna's the same.

reastie I offer A water throughout the day, there's always a beaker on the go. I also bring water out with us, I always have done, never really thought about it. Oh we are watching 127 hours this evening - mmmmmm James Franco.

american A is a wriggler as well, I don't strap her into her highchair, I fear her being trapped in a fallen highchair more than her climbing out of one. I can always see her anyway - the joys of having no seperate rooms downstairs

ledkr piss away off with your few times a week action

D Ah shit re work and car xxxx Will have a think about the sleeping xx

ledkr - It's not much of a secret, I just put him in his cot awake and leave, he whinges for about 10 seconds then puts himself to sleep. Rocking him to sleep then putting him down doesn't seem to work anymore, seems to just make it worse when I put him down and leave (which is what DH was doing). It only works when he's really tired and I do go back in if he doesn't settle himself.

delia - sounds like a crap day. Sorry I don't have any advice on C's sleep, I find that it usually sorts itself out eventually. I meant to comment about your milk comment: if her weight is fine and she's healthy otherwise, let her drink what she wants. Does she drink milk from a cup too?

d that sounds like Dilly,wont go back to sleep and goes mental when we leave the room.We were just consistent and did the same thing every night,settled her and left for 5 mins and repeat. We had about 5 great nights but then she did it again last night. So here i am again,banging headache,grumpy baby grrr. Last night i think it may have been her teeth,am dreadin tonight though.
wiggs I managed to get Ella to aged 9 before she had a tv but i must admit she doesnt watch it that much although does enjoy a dvd at the weekends.
I have just rented bridesmaids from the library,dh is on a late so im going to watch it,i can wait.
Just been to baby singing,Dilly just wants to marauld about the place jumping on all the other babies
Diet is a bit hard with all the birthday cake hanging about and more to come.

D i was made redundant twice,it sucks but gave me an oppotunity to re think my career and a bit of money for a holiday [irresponsible emoticon]

Ledkr are you picking up and cuddling to settle? I never know what people mean by 'settle' as in some people manage it with them still in their cot, and some mean wait until almost asleep.

Am hoping the work situ ends up being a positive change, as although I was really happy to come back I started feeling a bit 'meh' about it before Christmas. Been on the phone to rec cons and there are prospects so I need to think positive.

will reply proper later but had to say to delia. Will rack my brains for you and wiggles you won't feel the same about JAmes Franco after you see him drinking his own wee in the film [disgusted]

Hi all
Firstly boo to crappy sleep for Ledkr and Delia. Don;t really have any advice. Apart from stick at whatever yoiu are doing and hopefully it will work soon. I;ve heard people say before, Delia, that when a child has to go into hospital or needs to woken in the night for medication their sleep routine can go out the window and be hard to get back on track.

Delia - really sorry about your job and car too. You need a big hug....here you go (((((()))))).

Borg, rudey dreams about dh, you wanna try have rudey dreams about your boss, felt slightly sheepish when I came into work this morning, as if he could tell!! Ponyo, I do the 'shall I wake dh for some lovin', then think 'nah' and go back to sleep!!

Reastie, Noah quite likes his water so we have a beaker of water wherever he goes. If he's at home I leave the beaker in his reach and he'll often get him himself and drink it, then drip it all over the floor. I forgot to tell you all that I;ve discovered Noah has a love for apples. Last week I had one in my bag and he went over picked it up and sat for ages eating it. I give him an apple now if we're going out in the buggy cos it keeps him quite. He did look quite cute when he fell asleep in his buggy still holding on tight to his apple!

Ledkr, I really enjoyed Bridesmaids, very funny.

We've ordered Noah a travel booster seat for when we go to mil's or out to eat. It comes in a cute bag with a compartment under the seat for nappies, and drink etc.

Well ,work is the same as usual. Noah woke this morning covered in a rash. By the time dh had researched it on the internet it had started to fade so I've taken him to nursery. Am hoping its just a heat rash. He was ok in himself, just a little spotty.

Talk later...

reastie I meant to say earlier, we tend to take a cup of water and some breadsticks with us when we go out anywhere, just so that we have two possible solutions to any moans.

I am happy for her to have water whenever she wants really, I do! I try and keep the breadsticks to maximum two snacks per day roughly mid am and mid pm, I don't like letting her graze all day. Most days she has no snacks at all TBH, just her meals and drinks.

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I was going to have a moan but delia your day totally trumps mine, you poor woman. Many many sympathies for job and car and lack of sleep. Re night waking, I would just leave her and let her sort herself out if I were sure there was nothing wrong. However this is the hardcore mean ass flamegrilled way. CC like ledkr said is a gentler option.

reastie S has milk in her beaker which I offer her when I remember. It's all a bit random chez debka. She had some juice/water mixed at my aunt's yesterday and didn't stop guzzling till the beaker was empty, then did the biggest burp ever!

emski HA to naughty boss dream! That's awful!!

ledkr I do EE and the key is to always always have 1/3 superfree (fruit and veg basically). You do that, you'll lose. Yesterday I had
B- 2 bacon, 2 egg, 1/2 grapefruit
L- leftover chilli with extra beans, fat free fromage frais on top, an apple
D- chicken and veg casserole, pasta, a muller light

wiggs my girls are in a constant battle over Who Gets To Sit On Mummy's Knee. Drives me half crazy.

ponyo well done to A for sleeping through :)

S had her 10-12mo check today, she's on the 50th for weight and height and can officially go into the next up car seat (which we haven't bought yet) because she weighs 9.02kg! She can do everything the HV asked me about, except point, she doesn't point yet.

delia S isn't into snacks either, I can offer her a biscuit or some fruit and she'll refuse it, then 1/2 hr later put her in her highchair for tea and she'll eat masses. Weirdo.

Ello ladies. Quick skive off my housewifely duties to MN, shhh don't tell DP :)
reastie I let Cass have access to her water cup all day as she doesnt have milk at all during the day now (3 bottles between 7pm and 7am instead - grrrrr!) Although she has developed a vile habit of spitting water everywhere just to amuse herself......snacks are Goodies animal crackers, raisins, sliced pear or melon.
delia what a rubbish day, hope things get better!
ledkr Bridesmaids is immense, look out for the aeroplane scene :)
emski hope Noah's spots are indeed heat rash, rashes always scare me but are usually completely innocent - my poor babies have been attacked by their crazed mother rolling a glass over their rash far too many times to mention.
Re erotic dreams, I felt guilty because I had a filth dream about Danny Dyer the other day - I dont even fancy him! So I felt compelled to pounce on DP to compensate. Our sex life is pretty good actually, mainly because DP is a beast, left to me it would probably be birthdays and Christmas :)
Went shopping today, and perveing over all the gorgeous new clothes in Topshop is really inspiring me to stick with this Weight watchers malarkey, despite the urge to sack it off and eat a family sized bag of M and Ms that keeps cropping up!
Hope you all have better days, ponyo I am extremely envious of A sleeping through btw, long may it continue!

OK, so it seems I'm a lax mother here not offering alice much water . I only take it out with me if we are out for her mid morning or afternoon snack or a meal time. My crazy logic is if she's really whiney and moany I'll just have to give her a bf whilst we are out to keep her going . Alice eats loads of snacks and meals

alice did 4 steps to me all on her own [proud] . She hasn't done it again since though (although it was only half an hour ago ). Does it count as first steps if she then refuses to do it again for several weeks? She didn't really seem to realise what she had done

ems hope the rash goes away and to the dreams about your boss. I still remember that I had a very naughty dream about howard from take that when I was pg and have never looked at him (on tv, not rl obv) the same

delia re: sleeping. We started cc when alice was teething so had great trauma with it but in the long run it was the best thing we did. We still sometimes actually quite often let her cry in her cot at night - we pop in to check she's OK and nothing wrong then leave her for 5 mins then shush and pat in her cot, then leave her, then do the same after 10 mins if needed, then 20 then 30 then if she's still screaming (so this would be well over an hour) we'll pick her up and cuddle her etc (but this dosn't happen that much). I say this is what we do, but sometimes we differ depending on how tired we are

reastie would you still do that even if she had worked herself up into a real rage? I'm not actually squeamish about it as such, more worried that we try it and the other people find out and say they can't believe we did it when she was properly upset!

Dx