September 2011 babies are rolling into 2012

[ssmileWithFairylights]

Hello in new thread come over and chat part two from the September edd babies arriving thread.
Just watched strictly dancing final part one but can't keep eyes open for part two so off to bed now will watch.it tom. Sleep well.....zzzzz

Hope you're ok feral and that things get better for you. Maybe some space to give you a chance to think will help. It's all just so overwhelming sometimes, I've had so many days where I'm just wishing for things to get better.

Sebs I think we are sharing an lo I was up and down numerous times last night, I've kind of given up on the settling in her cot thing for the time being and just doing what I need to get some rest and jobs done in the evenings!!

Oh dear Feral, that sounds rough. Often feel like loosing it with DH but l know he will just make me feel more shit if I criticize him as he is the one having to go to work each day. Would kill for a day off or a night's sleep. Steps sound exciting though, well dne LO.

DS was also crap last night, was up at 10.30, 12, 1.30,3 at which point he came into bed with us and wanted to stay attatched to boob till we got up at 6. (that is not actually that unusual either)
Am hoping all the fresh air tody may help tonight.

yep candr, lots of cuddles and then doing the same again the next time she falls. I think I need to make some bottles like that.

I want to go to the beach ssmile :(

feral I think we have identical babies in what they are doing! WRT what your MIL said, I must admit I saw a baby the other day who was lying there and taking the world in, only a few weeks younger than ours, they all even out in the end though. Sorry to hear about you and your DH having trouble. What did he say when you said that to him, how does he feel?

feral, love the idea of raspberries being blown during meals! Bless

Sarah, I've not given LO olives yet, did she pick them up OK? I gave her a strawberry for tea and there was a big mush left what she hadn't eaten.

I've already been into LO 3 times since I put her down at 19:30! So I'm not expecting a good night. I've tried winding her more, she just doesn't burp as she had fallen asleep feeding, although the other night she cried I picked her up, both me and OH were in the bedroom, usually she smiles the biggest smile at OH, so I put her really close to his face and she let out this massive burp! LOL. Oh well. I need that tattoo too!

LO tried to move between her bouncy chair and the settee today! WTAF?! Granted they were only about 1 foot apart, but seriously! She also stood in the travel cot, she had obviously just pushed on the side as she pushed on her legs, I've a cracking pic of her standing in it. And she stood holding on using only one hand for ages! I'm trying hard to keep up with her, but quite at what she is doing. She's into everything, including things she shouldn't be, so "no" is being repeated a lot at the moment, but she doesn't understand yet. What can you do?

Distract A LOT and eyes in the back of your head 100 I do alot! Your Lo sounds Fab into everything :) my Lo understands tone of voice I think at moment as she has cried twice when I've said No a bit too firmly oops too used to her big sis who ignores me a lot now :o she has very selective hearing now! I'm lucky we live 2.5mile walk from the beach so go alot, and our DD1 has always been active so we encouraged her at young age to walk, scooter or cycle everywhere with us....anything to wear her out mostly :o

feralgirl oh dear hope you can sort it out with your DH. Hugs

candr and sarah hope your Lo gave you abit more sleep last night or at least the warm sunnie weather helps recoup during the day.

queengeek hope you are ok?

We doing ok, Lo had gd night after couple poorer ones. Fed at 9.30pm, 1.30pm (wow her longest stretch for few nights :) ), then resettled 3am no feed, fed 5.30, up 6.45am good night for us. Today I'm prepping for DD1 5th birthday party. It's not till 14th but she breaks up from school thurs, and DH is away most of week leading upto party (20 five year olds) so I'm going to be tired and have my hands full 24/7 with both girls and eldest has been up everynight last week :( with bad dreams. I'm dreading the party abit as its first big class one I've done, got party bags to sort, music, games, banner to make, food to plan cake to plan....Hohum I said I'd only do one big class party as its her first year at school, next year its back to a couple of friends coming round!

Ooh Ssmile, the party sounds exciting. I will be taking notes as we've already promised DS a 'proper' birthday party in December (what were we thinking?) They're a bit like weddings aren't they, kids' parties? You go, you people-watch, you take notes about what you wouldn't do, you compare your kid's behaviour to the others

DS was also up last night with bad dreams; thing is he'll wake up and cry and then, once DH or I goes in and has given him a cuddle, he'll start playing, then have a massive tantrum when we leave. DH spends hours trying to placate him but I'm a mean mummy and favour a supernanny rapid return type approach. I managed to convince DH to try my method last night and DS went absolutely berserk - kicking his door and throwing stuff, screaming at the top of his lungs - but only for about five minutes then he just calmly got back into bed and went to sleep Toddlers, what can you do?

100 that's mad with the moving around. It is quite scary isn't it? I was cooking this afternoon, having left DD in the living room with some toys, when I felt something at my leg and DD had pulled herself up on me. I really wish she'd slow down a bit! I have a friend with a baby a couple of weeks older than DD who just lies very still contemplating the world (the baby, not the friend). He'll sleep anywhere (not like DD at all), doesn't really do crawling or rolling and is just so much more placid and chilled than she is.

Boo to all the rubbish night. DD has slept in bed with me the last three nights as she just refuses to settle in her cot. She only woke twice last night - 10.30 and 5.00 - which is great. I don't care where she sleeps, so long as she actually does sleep!

Thanks everyone for all the sympathy. DH and I are making more of an effort and just trying harder to be nice to each other. We realised that we haven't been out together since before DD was born so I guess we really need to call in some baby-sitting favours asap!

Well DS finally took some formula from DH tonight and had a really good tea so hope he will sleep better. Pu him down at 7 after bf but have been up twice but he settled much quicker and am trying to settle without picking up. He only had 2 twenty min nap today and has been waking to play at 5am (must be as it is light) but think I will get black out blind for his room as plan on moving him soon.
Feral, it is a good idea to get out of the house together even if you do spend the whole night talking about your baby.
100 and ssmile, sounds like your babes are really moving, we have not done much baby proofing yet but have stair gate up. Look forward to DS moving more as he is so annoyed by going backwards or in circles but is lazy with his rolling (he can do it just often prefers to shout until someone gives him a toy)
I hope we all get some sleep tonight

Wishing you all great sleeps tonight!

We had a rubbish night last night with lo wide awake from 4.45! DP finally got her back to sleep at 7am when she is normally up for the day, I went in to check on her before my shower and she was asleep on her face! She often sleeps on her side but has never rolled over in her sleep before! I was quite alarmed at first but thankfully she was resting on her hand and dummy and was sleeping so soundly it was adorable!

Have been loving the weather this week and lo has been adorable during the day just need to crack the nights!

She's eating so well now too, we did have a bit of falter when I think I had given her too much of the same but we're doing great now! She had cod and veg for tea and ate her whole portion this time!
100 she doesn't hold the olives as we're spoon feeding so i just break soft bits off for her,the only thing she won't put in her mouth on her own is food!! Ha ha!

feral hope you're feeling brighter and that you can organise a 'date night'. My relationship could definitely do with some tlc but it always seems easier to just middle along.

Very excited to hear of all the active babies! Lo is rolling all over the place and at last sitting on her own playing, so cute! Can't believe how far we've come!

Xx

WTAF? DD has been grizzling for TWO HOURS and will NOT go to sleep. I think DH is in with her still but seriously, what the hell is she doing? How do I deal with this?

Maybe she's teething. Should I try calpol? I don't know. How is it that she used to be able to settle herself and all of a sudden she can't? If I try to settle her then she just expects milk. Poor DH

How on earth are DH and I ever going to get any time together to sort out our ailing relationship if she doesn't damn well sleep in the evenings?

Plus I want to watch The Apprentice.

Hope you managed to settle your lo feral and get some rest. I find it's just the lack of sleep and sheer exhaustion that makes everything feel so hard and makes every decision harder too. I just hope it helps to know that so many of us here are in the same boat, I certainly am as having a run of horrendous nights. Sending virtual hugs to you xx

Feral, DS can have night like that and Calpol does seem to help sometimes as does laying him on our bed for a bit, he wriggles around and often does a big burp.
Found out DS is allergic to sun cream as his face went red and a bit swollen so need to sort that as has very fair skin and if anything like me will burn badly. He kept sucking my neck when we were out and it is lucky I have a trusting DH as I now am sporting lots of nice hickeys.
Not sure formula helped his sleeping much but he took 4oz tonight and has settled quicker but think the sun also zaps their energy a bit. Heres hoping we all get some kip tonight.
Sarah - well done with the food, it is great when they realise it is fun and fills them up. Babysat another 6m old today who is still on puree and spoon fed, was strange feeding him while DS just got on with his pasta and fish by himself but made me very proud of his ability.

candr my DD1 is very sensitive skin and reacted to Nivea suncreams after trying various I found Sainsburys own brand baby sunscream very gd value and she never reacts to it. It's more heavy white zinc type cream. The sprays were crap on her. I'm worried as school won't put it on the kids your expected to put it on them in the morning and it last all day! If I gave some to DD1 she is vgood and would prob do it herself fine but school won't let them! My skin as a child always suffered dreadfully from heat rash &sores from sun as I'm pale and she is the same. It's crazy when your child is at nursery/preschool they will wipe their bums, give them calypol, put suncream on them, give them a cuddle if they upset but once the start school its strictly hands off approach to everything.

Hope we all get more settled sleep tonight ....night all

Thanks Smile, will try some of that. I have to be very careful about what I put on my face and what jewellery I wear too. It depends what school your DD is at, at mine we were allowed by our head to use common sense, if they needed a cuddle we gave them one (obviously not shut away in a room together) and I certainly made sure they had sun block on, if they needed help we were able to do it for them. Drives me mad how some schools go so OTT about all of this.
Was able to get DS to take formula from me tonight . Gave him 1oz of bm in a bottle then he took 5 oz of formula and has been asleep for 45 min so far without waking. Am reluctant to get too hopeful as he decided 2am was a good time to play loudly and grin at mummy last night but it is a good start .

Ssmile we are trying distraction and lots of "no" going on and occasionally it is working, but it's hit and miss so far. Unfortunately as she can now stand in her travel cot we really ought to stop using it as a makeshift playpen and I'm loathed to get a proper playpen, but it may be necessary. Looks like you will be spending the run up to the party doing all the prep for it.

Yes feral it is totally mad. I got a cracking pic of LO holding on standing using only one hand today. One hand! Yes some babies do like to take it all in, I saw a mum today whose 10month old isn't crawling yet, she said to baby that's what you're supposed to do, I told her to enjoy it while she could. Funny how we say that. Did LO settle ok in the end?

Candr, we've also not done much baby proofing we're just watching like a hawk and tbf I don't think there is a huge amount of stuff in the living room that is a problem, there are certainly no little things about at her level or even just above what I consider safe at the moment. We will move some of the books on the bookcase though, esp the ones we don't want wrecking. But my LO is also only taking short naps in the day. I'm lucky if I get her to have more than 45 mins in one go!

Sarah, ah in that case I'll leave olives a little while till LO is a bit better with picking things up. She's good with the big things, but not so much the small things.

You know I said I was getting an iPad? Well it's here and I'm coming to you live from the world of MY IPAD woohoo anyway....

LO might be going in her own room next week. She can almost escape the bedside cot in her grow bag and I said it would be then that the side would be put up as pillows might not be enough protection on the bed, but I got a bit upset when I was putting her to bed this evening as it might be the last time she is next to me in her cot. She's still not sleeping very well and much as I've taken a more co-sleeping approach to it the past few nights I am not sure if us being near her disturbs her. We shall see how we get on. If it's dreadful then we will go back to how we are for a bit and just find some safe way of keeping her in the cot while I'm not in the room with her.

Gd luck with your cot move 100 I got worried just moving my Lo from next to me to the end of the bed :) but if we had a spare room I think I would move her now as I think this Lo would sleep longer on her own, so I'm you have the option. I can snore loudly sometimes so I know I wake her up opps! My sis bought a wooden playpen for her adventurous boy but he worked out how to climb over the top within 3wks so for her it was bit waste of money. I got a walker thing for our DD1 at the toy recycling bit of our tip it was a pushalong thing vtech they £25 I think new, she loved that pushed round the lounge at 7-8mths and we put stair gate on the lounge door and made the room relatively safe. Just no nicknacks like you said, crap books on bottom shelf so she could pull off to her hearts content. I must find it is in our loft. This little babe is about 4wks away I think from needing it :) I'm finding it SO hard now to get anything done in the daytime as I just can't leave babe anywhere. I've resorted to putting our Maclaren buggy in the kitchen just so she can sit safely whilst I cook tea &wash up etc. She sits in it and plays throw the toys across the kitchen :o

Just need to vent

Nights are getting worse and I don't know what to do, I'm so tired that it's making me feel like I'm a failure as nothing I try works! I just can't understand why we seem to be going backwards and I'm too tired to think straight anyway! Every night I go to bed filled with hope that this will be the night that she does better but each night this week she has been getting worse

Just a flying visit will catch up later....Sarah my nights are so much worse as well

sarahseager big hugs think it was minkyjs who said It's just phase it will pass,even thou that is flipping hard when you are exhausted from months of sleep deprivation. Can you get anyone to help so you can get naps in anywhere in the day to recharge a little bit? It's no reflection on you as a parent ALL kids are wired differently just try to find coping strategies. As I've said before I had hellish time with my first who was dreadful sleeper, I blamed myself SO much until at about year old I just had to except this was the way she was wired. I had air bed in our lounge and used to go to sleep at 7pm each night for two hours with ear plugs in just to get some sleep, my DH looked after the baby, either in her room, or walked her around the block anything it was the only way we survived. Gd luck hope you find a way to get a break.

Flying visit here too to say that Sarah and Loves... right there with you. Nights getting worse... accumulative effect of lack of sleep is getting to me too. Plus the sciatic pain, carpel tunnel and bad back from sleeping in awkward positions as LO in bed with us most of the night.

We also don't know what to do...and that also makes me feel like a failure. Spent so much of the night crying last night, wondering what to do next as tried so many different things. Am wondering if giving her the night time milk is not helping as she does so much "aerobics" in the night I wonder if it just sits on her tummy? But then it's getting in 3 meals a day plus at least 500ml milk... but we're going to try and give her less milk tonight at bed time and see if that helps (and have a gap before going to bed).

Sorry, will catch up again soon...

I think parental expectation is huge that we all (falsely) believe or hope our babies will be the 20% that sleep 12hrs at 6wks, the reality is lots and lots don't until 1yr+. (except ALL the ones your mum knows SO you must be doing something wrong ?? :) )When 6-9mths is a big baby development time, lots of movement and food digestion and growth this can make babies not sleep? My Lo has been very variable with day time naps sometimes its 3 x 20mins, other times (when DH is about!) it be 2 * 1-2hr naps I find this effects her sleep at night too. Very often the longer naps is better night sleep! I've been experimenting with letting her selfsettle in middle of night if its less than 3hre since last wake up, sometimes she does just babble, winge abit (not big crying), chews her bunny and is back to sleep. I always let her selfsettle at nap time if we home and she is very gd now.

Big hugs for all of us it IS relentless the sleep deprivation but IT does pass eventually...... mostly :) I never thought we would have baby no2 but we did :o

Ssmile it is true (ime) tgat sleep makes them sleep. But ds doesn't even like doing that during the day time. I feel like I am relying on boob and the car to get tge small amount of daytime sleep tgat he does have and so can't instill any positive self settling methods.

Thanks everyone, sad to hear that others are in the same boat but sebs glad I'm not the only one crying in the middle of the night. Hugs all round to everyone going through it, sleep deprivation is the worst thing ever!

We think there may be teething going on too as she has been wailing at times and pawing at her mouth and gums but it all feels so uncertain and like we're clutching at straws, I'm just praying tonight won't be the same as the last!

She had a two and a half hour nap this morning which at least gave us some very much needed down time, she was sooo tired but it took a huge effort to get her to go to sleep with more tears on both parts!

Anyway she's been ok the rest of the day and we shall see once more what the night holds! Fingers crossed for all of you and thanks again for the wise and supportive words xx

Sebs, Sarah, Loves and 100, I am still in same boat as you guys and have found I am co-sleeping more (just can't stay awake during the feeds - god am dreading moving him to own room). The formula didn't seem to help much. He settled quicker to sleep and only needed a quick cuddle when he woke 30min later but wakings during the night are worse and he also wants to play at 4-5 am. Totally refused formula tonight so already dreading it.
I really hope this is a growth spurt and he will settle as it feels you are doing one step forwards and 5 steps back sometimes.
On a nice note DS LOVED scrambled egg on toast today and tried ti shove handfuls in while grinning
Hope he sleeps during Britains Got Talent!

Good luck for tonight - "and once more into the breech"!

Princessscrumpy and bear - where are you? haven't heard from you for ages

Yes yes yes to all this rubbish sleep. DD has been getting worse and worse this week and I am just sick to death of it tbh. She just will NOT settle; the other night it was gone 10 when she finally went off. DH just managed to get her to sleep about 20 mins ago, he came downstairs and she's screaming again so he's gone back up. She wouldn't nap today at all either except in the car for a bit and she is just impossible atm.

She's got a bit of a cold so she's had calpol - most of which she spat out - and calprofen this evening, most of which she puked up on me and our bed. She hasn't got a temp or anything serious so I just don't know what to do. Sounds like DH is getting stressy though so I'd better go and take my turn.

Hope the rest of you are getting a bit of relief this evening.

Ffs ds just will not be put back down. He screams until I pick him up, fights to get to my right shoulder then goes to sleep. Then wakes as I try to put him down and it starts again.

And he won't stop blowing raspberries when I am trying to feed him am desperate to get some food in him to see if it helps his sleep but no he just sprays it all back at me grr