Nov 05 Babies - They're ALL here!

[Rodeo]

Here we go, was going to write something lovely and meaningful, but I'm not very good at it so I'll leave that to someone else.....

Evening all,
Thanks for keeping me right diege!!!! I have a head like a sieve
MeadowhaLL sounds good and yes its no problem to give you a lift if you are ok to get over to me
Golden the poem was lovely but brought tears to my eyes,im so sorry for your loss it must have been so traumatic.
I hope everyone else is ok???? Im off to take josh to get his injections tommorow ah well must be done.
Blimey must go dd had dvd stuck in her pc!!!!
twinkle & Josh

Hello everyone .TWINKLE: yes, that's no problem, I can get over to yours on the train and we can take it from there! Thanks very much . Good luck for tommorrow's jabs! I have a hospital appointment tommorrow with Libby to check her kidneys (there was fluid around them antenatally, as with dds 1&2 - pylectasis/hydrophrenosis, you've probably heard of it). Sure it will be ok, but very nervous just the same . If there is still a 'problem', she will have to go on antibiotics until they establish what the problem is (reflux, or possibly a blockage, or nothing), and will then have to have bladder x-rays and other nasties (went through all of this with dd1, and it all turned out fine, so fingers crossed!).
Assume week starting Feb 6th is still ok for you too RODEO? (and anyone else of course!). Shall I provisionally suggest TUESDAY 7TH for the Meadowhall? (I can do any day but Wed, so just a suggestion).
Golden: IMO it is IMPOSSIBLE to wake a sleeping baby if they are intent on staying asleep!! Like the tips about stripping them off etc,but while it rouses Libby for a few seconds, the eyes start rolling again and I know I've had it . Think this is where I'm going wrong too Chacha if it's any consolation, as she has way too much sleep in the day .BTW CHACHA, I can really sympathise with you about night times; with dd1 I used to really dread the nights, feeling physically sick and tearful as it started to get dark (high point of sleep was 2.5 hours one night, but ususally less, until 12 weeks when colic stopped). THe NCT does a good book on sleep, which has lots of anecdotes about coping with this - you are not alone! Happy Eid for tommorrow!
BEKSMUM: saw Deal No Deal too (and pleased to see it making a Saturday appearance!).I think Noel had a bit of a thing for Jenna...
NOVA: You put me to shame with you pole dancing! Tried a few half-hearted sit ups on the sheepskin rug, then collapsed.Am thinking of getting the 'Pacha' exercise video,but I don't have a good record on fitness videos (I to think I used to teach aerobics!!![shame].
Well, time for CBB!
Speak tommorrow after hossie!
Diege and Liberty

Hi ladies, thanks for all your kind thoughts.

Diege - I'm thinking about getting a personal trainer. As an ex- fitness trainer (you, not me!) do you think it is worth it?

Re: deal, no deal, the highest I've seen someone win was about 50k, but most of the time they seem to go away with between 8 - 15k. Wonder if anyone will ever win the 250k?

Hate to be mean, but that Jodie on CBB is such a tart. I recon she will have her tits out on TV before the week is over.

Golden - the thought of losing a baby, and the poem, made me cry too. Thank you for sharing Alex with us.
You must have had such a worrying time with this pregnancy, especially towards the end, I assume that that was part of the reason they monitored you in hospital before the twins were born?
The last few lines of the poem ring very true, you do learn to live with the pain but it still hurts.

Well, we have had a really good few days here. Ash has slept through for 2 nights from about 11pm-8am (leaving me feeling like a new woman or at least I seem to be recovering shades of the old one!) and yesterday we took him swimming for the first time and he LOVED it. He kicked and wriggled and watched everything that was going on and smiled throughout the 20 mins or so he was in the water. Definately a waterbaby
However he has fed a LOT today, probably making up for all the energy expended in the water, and has been yelling on and off all evening. I've just settled him and hope it lasts (fingers-crossed emoticon!)

Off to get some sleep of my own now
Night night

Morning everyone...

Happy Eid al-Adha ChaCha, did you say you were coming to London today? Missions! That should tire little Zayn out nicely.... hope you have a lovely day.
Am off to new playgroup thing, gulp, if I manage to get out the door that is.
See y'all later....

Hello all.

Golden - thank you so much for having me over - the twins are really lovely and you seem to be coping so well! I hope they didn't have a meltdown the minute I left...

Discovered that Deal or No Deal is now repeated on More4 at 6.10 pm so managed to catch it after all. Had a nice walk home as well which seemed to knock N. out for hours and hopefully made me shed a few ounces??

Having a very lazy day today as still in pyjamas and slept until 10:45 after this morning's 6 am wake up call. But
i've got nothing that I have to do today which is fabulously relaxing. DH is taking tomorrow off work so we've decided to go out to the country for a pub lunch and try N.'s first longish car journey - wish us luck!

J xx

Afternoom everyone . Just got back from hossie with Libby. One of her kidneys is still moderately dilated, but they're not too concerned and are going to rescan in 6 months time.Need to make appointment with paed, but not too worried as I've been here before with dd1!
Londoner: good luck with your new play group - I always feel a bit shy with new groups, but feel so much better when I've made the effort! Hope you got out the door .
Golden: I would definitely give the personal trainer a go, even if it's jusy to give you some personalised advice/motivation specific to you for a few sessions (and then go it alone). Lots of peiple do need regular contact, where it can get expensive, but I've known clients who club together and hire a trainer for a few of them, which works well too. Another option might be to get a 'gym buddy' - a friend who will spur you in when the munchies/laziness sets in, and who you don't want to let down . Wish I could get inspired! (though tummy roll,over waistband is starting to irritate).
BTW, cholestral test came back ok(ish). Slightly raised at 5.1, so am gpoing to get really focused on low fat diet.
Also (onto important stuff) agree Golden with your appraisal of Jodie. While I don't like to judge people's sexual behaviour (particularly women's)I can't believe what she's like,especially after vowing to leave Preston alone because of him 'having a bird' .What an attention seeker. I think it will be more than tits ...

he girls

I'm new here at mumsnet, so not quite sure on the etiquette and all that jazz! I have a bonfire baby, yes she decided to turn up 5th november (good for future birthdays!)
I love in Worcester Park, Surrey and am currently struggling with her self sleeping!

Just a quickie, I'm off to toddler group this afternoon. Had ds off playgroup this morn as he was sick last night, but he seems fine now

Glad everything went ok at the hosp this morn Diege! Glad she's (nearly) got the all clear. The only day I can't do that week is the Tues! It's dd's class assembly that morning! How about the Thurs instead?

You're very welome here Ninska How are you getting on with your new daughter? What's her name? Is she your first? etc. We need more details!!

Right must dash.....

Hi Rodeo, and welcome Ninska!. I could do the Thursday, though I would have to cancel my driving lesson (what a shame). If Friday was as good as Thursday for you, would this be possible? (also Twinkle?). Hope you have a good time at play group. The one I go to (Jo Jingles) doesn't start back until next week, so another cake making day tommorrow I think!
BTW: anyone else watching that makeover show on 3? Not sure about the mental state of some of the women, but of course have to stay watching to see how they look after surgery!

Hi again, and welcome to NINSKA, my daughter's EDD was 5th Nov but she popped a week early on 29th Oct. When you say 'self sleeping' do you mean she can't get herself off to sleep? I'm still teaching Elizabeth and when I think she's tired (and she's full, clean etc) I lie her in her basket and chat to her quietly for a bit/stroke her 'hair' and nip off now and again building up the time I'm away gradually...she can now get herself off to sleep this way. When I first started doing this she would yell the second I started to lie her down but by always remaining calm & trying it a bit each day she has learnt how to settle herself without any controlled crying etc ....hth? It means she wakes up happily too, as she doesn't panic, she knows where she is and how she got there...
Diege, so glad to hear Libby is okay, and that you could see how she's improving.. Also that your cholesterol is okay and you've spotted it being slightly raised and can reduce it.
Thanks for asking @ the playgroup, I did make it...just for the last 1/2 hour and it was hard like you say, but I just made myself do it....you know how, when you just force one leg in front of the other and keep going....and it was so hot in this little room, all the mums knew each other and were sitting on the floor with the same age babies (all @ 10 months old), I felt ike a huge giant arriving from another planet.... they all looked at me & then looked away arg! So I said "Hi!" and did a general smile and found a chair and just introduced myself to the nearest mum, "how old's your baby/isn't he/she lovely" etc, and then it was okay and they all welcomed me and said nice things about my baby. Phew!
It's hard in these situations though, I expect Golden and Rodeo might relate to this, when you've lost a child you can get a bit stuck in conversations about how many kids you have/what each number pregnancies were like/chosen gaps between children, when people ask me how many children I've had I say I have three others and they invariably say "oh it's your fourth.." and I find saying " yes" really hard, I feel disloyal if that makes any sense? So these new introductions where you invariably all grill eachother for details are a bit of a minefield... but I came out okay today and met some really nice mums although none with babes of the same age yet.
LilJ dh day off and drive/pub lunch together sounds bliss! Bet it'll be great.
tessa glad to hear you're getting some quality sleep and feeling good. Swimming sounds great! It does always make everyone hungry you're right.
ChaCha hope you had some sleep last night? I keep baby in her bouncy chair during the day and make sure she's always where the action is in the house so that even if she's fast asleep her little ears are being stimulated and she must know it's different from night time where I always keep the lights low and make minimal eye contact with her and only whisper to her....hth. Also I get her up at @ same time each morning to ready her for the school run...although she usually sleeps in at the weekends.
nova glad your cats okay. How did your meet go with potential childminder lady? D'you think you'll go for it? Is it to work or to give you time out to see dh/frinds etc (nosy emoticon)?
Beks can't remember which days good for you, I'm free usually any day although am keen to get to the cinema again on Fridays....think P.Express is best bet in this weather isn't it? Haven't heard from BoB or Tex in a while though...did you say you know Tex already and can get in touch?
Hi everyone else as well! Sorry that was such a loong post, hope you're not all crying yourselves to sleep....

Hi Londoner! Thanks for your good wishes about Libby . I bet you feel so proud of yourself for making the effort to go to playgroup; I agree, it's so hard to make the initial effort, and it always seems really hard when everyone knows each other already. I had this at first with the school run, having been at work before maternity leave, but gradually people did respond to my smiles and questions (I always talk really fast when I'm nervous, and sometimes get some odd looks!). Now I have some good friends there, as I'm sure you will from the playgroup. It must be sad answering questions about your pregnancies...I can't start to imagine how hard this must be. Good for you though on getting through it and making new friends. They are very lucky women .
Well, another night beckons...hope it's a good one for us all! I am starting to have fantasies (non-sexual I might add) of booking into a travel lodge for a good night's sleep

Hiya all

bloody internet went down again!!!!!!! Everything is fine here, although Sam seems really grumpy after his jabs yesterday. He slept through the night as normal but wont setttle today. Anyone else had this experience. He now weighs 13,10 and is on the 91st percentile, but then he is on this for eveything. HV still says I might need to cut down on food though but Ilike the way our routine works at the mo and Sam usually seems very happy so I think I will continue for a while.

ChaCha, funny you should mention me coming up, I had actually thought about it and am free the week after next, the week starting the 23rd, if you are up for it.

Greenwich shouldn't be too far for me (especially as I am comtemplating going to Oxford) when were you thinking? And yes Godstone Farm is very close, my job was in Godstone. I also maybe coming up to Manchester area on the 18th, 19th and 20th if anyone is around.

Right sorry to miss anyone etc but I only quickly scanned the messages, will try and read them properly later.

ok, can't let him cry any longer

byyyeeeee

Sam 2 months and 1 day.

just a quickie - here are some updated pics xx

Evening all,

Just sneaking on here while the family are watching Malcolm in the Middle. Why do I always feel a bit guilty coming on here?! Probably because I have a mountain of stuff to do!!

Londoner, Just had a peek at your clan, and they're are just as I'd imagined!! All beautiful and bohemian looking, they love little Elizabeth to pieces, she's a very lucky baby I do KWYM about the barrage of questions when starting a new playgroup!! I usually steer clear of the 'my first baby died' not to save myself, I'm quite composed about her now but rather to save those silent drops in conversation! And no, unfortunatly I don't own my own horses, although I have ridden at the same stables for about 20 years so know all the horses and one of them will always need exercising which I'm very happy to do! I will get my own one day though!

Diege Friday is fine for me Is that the 10th? We can't have you missing your driving lesson

Chacha, agree with Londoner about daytime sleeping, Jess sleeps in her chair or on cushions on the sofa (naughty mummy)in the day so is always around noise and action, especially when the children are around! I think it helps her to distinguish between night and day. I don't let her sleep too long in the day, she probably has one 2 hour long nap in the day along with several shorter naps of around 15-30 mins.

Right they've all come upstairs now to bother me Apparently the baby needs me!! Bye!

Ah Nova, just been looking at the pics of Natalie with the children! They loved the ones of her crying, they thought they were hilarious!! She's still gorgeous! And looks pretty similar to our little madam, who is crying on the bed, must get her in the bath

Ok, got a bit more time now as DH is cooking the dinner and I have to sit in the study while Nat goes to sleep as our monitor is on the blink and I can't hear her if she cries from downstairs. Should be ok if we haven't heard anything from her in half an hour.

Got a visit from the Sure Start people today - did they come to see you too Golden? She was very helpful and gave me a folder of all the things going on in my area, as well as some bath smellies and a scented candle for me and a first beaker cup for Natalie. There's a drop in session that runs really nearby so I think I'll pay it a visit.

The childminder is just to give me some time out during the week, Londoner, although she said she's also available for evenings if we need her. Think I'm going to nominate one evening a month for DH and me to go out for dinner together. She was really great with Nat, she didn't want to give her back, and we've known her for years so can completely trust her. At the moment it'll only be 2 days a week for about 3 hours each day, but that should be enough time for me to feel human again.

Evening girls, have just escaped for 5 minutes as Thomas has had a yelling day and it feels like he's been attached to me all day - daddy's turn now!!!

Londoner & Enthusia, Pizza Express is fine with me what about a Monday or Wednesday in the next week or two? It would need to be a lunch time thing for me as have to get back for the school run, I'm sure that's the same for you too isn't it Londoner?

I've just had a quick look at the photo's, all the babies are gorgeous, I will try and post some of Thomas soon but can someome tell me how to do it as dh is looking blankly at me when I asked him how I do it - calls himself a programmer - huh

Right best go as dh has brought Thomas upstairs so I assume that's a hint that I should take over again, speak to you all tomorrow Beks

Boys having their vaccinations tomorrow - the five in one and the BCG. Think Hackney and Tower hamlets are the only two boroughs in London that give the BCG to all babies?

Dreading having two upset babes on my hands at the clinic tomorrow. People like to gawp at twins, but they never offer you a hand.....................

Londoner - feel exactly the same re: when asked about how many children/pregnancies. Don't want to lie/mislead, but also don't want to go into detail with every Tom, Dick, and Harriet.

Nova - I'm just outside the SureStart area, so I don't get home visits, and they were reluctant for me to use facilites/attend groups - cheek! I pointed out to surestart staff that I pay taxes too! Anyway, with the advent of children's centres in April all the boundary stuff will change and all addresses will be included.

On your wavelength Nova - spoke to nursery nurse today about doing half a day a week with the twins, just to give me a break on a regular basis.

Evening! ENTHUSIA: I think the grumpiness post-vaccs is very common and nothing to worry about.Libby was a bit grouchy too after her's (I gave her calpol, probably unnecessarily, and boy did she sleep !! I wouldn;t worry about HVs comments either re: Sam's weight.It sounds like he is thriving . BTW, I am free on Friday 20th if you are up for lunch in Manchester?
RODEO: yes,the 10th would be great, if Twinkle can make this too. Looking forward to meeting you!
NOVA: Love the pictures! She is so cute and actually looks really similar to Libby.You are so organised re: pictures.I know neither how to view everyomne's pictures, nor how to post my own.If anyone can be bothered, I wouldn;t mind a brief lesson on how to see pictures - sorry for being a pain!
GOLDEN: good luck for tommorrow with the vaccinations; are you going on your own, or could someone come with you perhaps?
Well, better put the scoops in! Anyone else sick of doing bottles day in day out? (bad, lazy mummy - made some joke about this to HV who predictably made some quip along the lines of, 'well, if you were breast feeding...
Night all!

Hellos.
Z slept at 5 am again this morning so between us we had 3 hours sleep. A friend has just told me that her son was the same and it was due to his being hungry. I will see what his weight is like on Thursday and then maybe consider my options. Thanks for all the advice. Will try everything that has been mentioned, but in all honesty, I had kept him awake since 8pm last night. So he was awake for a whole 9 hours. I don't understand it.

Londoner - Firstly, loved the pics! They are gorgeous, but where are you?!? Thanks for the Happy Eid greeting - we did make it to London but ended up spending a fair amount of the afternoon in Oxford Street's Mothercare - nursing not shopping! Think I'll be online shopping for a while, too much stress when feeding a baby every two hours for over an hour. I managed to b/f in a restaurant on Edgeware Road and felt really pleased that I was able to but not always convenient. Until I can do the bottles in advance and establish some sort of routine will be less adventerous i think. Well done on the playgroup btw.

Diege - Glad to hear that Libby is well!

Enthusia - Any day is probably good for me providing I've had some sleep the night before. Can just see it...me falling asleep on your arrival. Will look fwd to it. (your arrival not falling asleep)

Nova - Super idea to arrange an outing with DH once a month. I think it's really important. Am really missing DH. Must follow in your footsteps soon.

Golden - Best of luck with jabs.

Where are Karma, Bob, SS etc... anyone hear from them? Well, off for series 2 of ER. I'm addicted.

ChaCha, really feel for you. This was what Sam was like. I succumbed to the power of formula at this point (under advice from hv and cranial women, who had both run out of other ideas!!!!!) Not saying you should do this at all, you have got much further than I did, I only exclusively BF for 4 weeks. I just didn't think I could cope anymore. Sam would not sleep and when awake would hardly stop crying and I was feeding 45mins on one breast then 45mins on the other and then the same thing an hour later (an hour of screaming later), what with that and then the cracked nipples and the mastitis I gave in as I just knew I would start getting down if I carried on and that would be worse for Sam than not BF. I am still quite jealous of you out there still exclusively BF though, I do no enjoy the BF I do, even if it is only 10 mins each time before his bottle. As for coming up, I will check with DH about his movements regarding Manchester and whether I am allowed to go (company policy regarding babies) and then let you know about dates.

BAM - I did CAT you when I first came online again, I take it you didn't get it, I will do it again.

Beks, Mondays are better for me as I have postnatal group starting on Thursdays now. Where exactly are we meeting?

Diege - will check with DH about Manchester and let you know.

Golden - Hope vaccinations go well, they might suprise you and take it all with a pinch of salt, you never know (hopeful emoticon).

Ok, have handed my application form in for the deputy job and am now really enjoying my time off, oh well at least I can still change my mind if I want to.

Nova - loved the pics, Nat is so cute I love the Jan pictures with her perfect top on.

Right sorry if I forgot anyone

Byyeeeee

Hello, good morning gorgeouses,

Diege, lol at you talking really fast when you meet new mums/when nervous, can relate to that big time! (also get funny looks, lol), and thanks for the compliment I am touched. Glad you have managed to make some good friends, it's not the easiest thing in the world breaking into those playground cliques is it! You are hilarious, re: booking into travel lodge fantasies, v. good. Is Libby an extra wakeful baby?
Enthusia and BEKs and anyone else, how about Blackheath Pizza Express this coming Monday 16th at 12 noon? Have just found out my dd1 has her ear tag operation on Tuesday 17th so this would be the only day I could do next week. Whaddya say?
Enthusia congrats on application for D. Head job! She's gonna go for it! Woo! Like you say, you're not committing anything at this stage, just testing the water... and when it comes to it, you will be interviewing them as well as the other way round...
nova, wow, top pics of you, dh and Natalie, what a gorgeous trio you are! And really admire your techno-skills, what a great page did you design it? Visit from Sure Start woman sounds amazing! I want one! You seem so capable[admiring emoticon]. Childminder sounds perfect, is she going to do it?
Rodeo, oh I love Malcolm in the middle, it's so hilarious! I too always feel guilty coming on here, for the same reasons, there is just so much to do..... which is also why I come on here! Aww, thanks for the compliments re: my family. Agree with you about avoiding conversation stopper, it's dealing with that rabbit in the headlights/what's she going to ask next feeling I find really hard. Think that's probably where the Diege tac-tic of talking fast comes in handy. How soon after giving birth/c. section can you start riding? Must be heavenly way to wind down/ease your brain.
BEKs re: photos, what sort of computer do you have, I've got a Mac so might not be much help to you... I have to open pics in the Preview programmes, reduce them in size/resoulution before I can plonk them in a folder ready to transfer. Nova might be a good person to ask if you have a PC...
Golden, good luck with boys jabs today, do they really call it the '5 in 1' now? Wow! They offer the BCG all over London I think, they do it in Greenwich as well. Will the Nursery Nurse do a weekly stint with the babies for you, what did she say?
ChaCha, thanks for the compliments on my family, posted a few with pics of me and then deleted them as they were so awful with at least 5 chins on each pic [shameful vain emoticon], will endevour to try and find one with less chins and stick it in the album..... promise...
Oxford Street! Shopping! Blimey you're brave, didn't realise that's what you were doing and you made it back in one piece! Can't believe how brilliant, of course... he's hungry! That's it isn't it! You know it's funny how these things are often so simple, I bet that's it. My ds1 was just the same, I used to sit there feeding day and night for hours, one day I remember in particular I decided to 'get up' at 5AM simply because I couldn't bear the idea of lying down only to have to get out of bed again, and thought I'd go to 'Tesco' early...... I made it to 'Tesco' at 8:02PM just as the store had shut........ He would wake for a feed every 1.5/2 hours, feed and change nappy for @ and hour and then be awake for more food just as I'd gone back to sleep... I did get through it ChaCha and he grew like a runner bean, but I have to admit I struggled a lot with tiredness until I stopped bf him at 10 months, but he is emormous (now 6 foot!) and healthy. He ate an enormous amount when I weaned him as well like 3 course lunch and tea with sandwiches in between and porridge at bed time. I suppose the way to cope might be, if you decide to continue exclusively bf, to try and make sure that you and your husband both acknowledge that you are very tired and you are working very hard 24-7 and try to make sure that you really look after yourself as much as you can eating well/ sleeping whenever you can etc. (my cousin used to sleep on her back with the baby sling on!) , did you decide to get a cleaner? That would really help you I think. Hang in there, your son is just gorgeous!

Morning all

Londoner Monday would be good for me & I know where the Blackheath Pizza Express is too so that makes it easy - are you ok to get there or do you want me to pick you up?

Thanks for the tips on picture posting I've got a pc so will work it out somehow!

Enthusia probably best to meet at the restaurant, 1st one there bag a table we should be easy to recognise with our car seats!!!

I'll cat Bob & Tex and see if they fancy meeting up too.

Diege I'm with you on washing bottles I'd forgotten how tedious it is - I wish I had a bottle fairy to do them for me, although dh is quite good.

Chacha sending cyber sleep your way, hope Zayn settles into a better routine for you soon, it is really hard work at this stage but you're doing everything right just hang on in there.

Golden hope the vaccinations go ok & that the boys don't end up to distressed - just have the calpol at the ready for when you get home!

Right best go and see what Thomas is crying for now it feels like he's been crying since yesterday although we did get a couple of hours break last night when he eventually went to sleep

Speak to you all later Beks

Morning everyone! . Just put her up for a sleep, so making the most of an hour or so 'off duty'. Have dd2 off nursery today, so have stuick her in front of cbeebies for 10 minutes to get stuff done (well, err...to do on here actually . I always save hoovering up for when LIbby is up, as she goes into a trance as soon as it's turned on .
A real 'travel lodge' night last night. Libby isn't a particularly wakeful baby (esp.compared to others!), waking only once (say 3.30, and then at 6ish)so I really can't complain, but my problem is getting back to sleep after the feed!!. And of course I get angry with myself, before starting to feel sleepy again about 6 (when everyone wakes). Must try to relax, and count my blessings that I'm actually being given the chance to sleep!
Not much on this afternoon, just our usual Wednesday visit to cafe. Starting to feel nervous about tommorrow's driving lesson - arghh!!! Anyone else feel this when taking lessons?
Good on you Enthusia on making the application for deputy.I have one to make for the 4th, but keep putting it off..
Well, Balamory's come on for the second time, so better go!