Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Post-natal clubs

Join our Postnatal Clubs forum to find parenting advice for newborns.

Sept 08- The threenagers have arrived - Advanced negotiating and crowd control skills required

999 replies

DebiTheScot · 24/08/2011 22:14

Sorry Meglet if you wanted to start the thread with your title but I thought I'd best do it while there was still one space to post the link to this one on the last one.

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
Debs75 · 07/12/2011 18:22

Huge congratulations MRSA and a lovely name. Looking forward to seeing some pics so might have to head over to facebook
I can now go and do some chores and not be glued to Mumsnet. OK instead of MN it will be facebook

ninjinglebells · 07/12/2011 19:04

NC I want to 'Like' that!!

Pacita · 07/12/2011 19:10

huge congrats to mrsa!!!!

Meglet · 07/12/2011 20:50

nc you're next Shock Smile!

ninja AFAIK XP is still with the girl he met a few months after we broke up. Part of me feels really sorry for her the other part hopes they never break up and set him off on the warpath.

debs My idea of coming off MN is heading over to FB or twitter Blush.

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 08/12/2011 08:46

Thank you for your wonderful comments ladies. Been a nightmare but DS is amazing and we are safe after a crash c-section with general anaesthetic. About as far away from what I wanted as you could get and I ended up in intensive care on Tuesday night. Details/debrief to folow but I'm struggling to bf (again!). They were good and didn't weigh/wash DS and gave him to me once I came round where he latched on and fed and fed yesterday, though not for long. Last night though he would not feed and I'm worried he is dehydrated. He goes to the breast and latches but gets too upset when the colostrum doesn't come quickly and endes up very upset. They are threatening formula, which would be the nail in the coffin though I know it's for his own sake. Before I post eleswhere, any tips from anyone?? I need some help.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 08/12/2011 09:57

Sorry to hear about the crash section MrsA, but you know you gave it your best shot, and sometimes things are just out of our hands.

Wrt the feeding, lots of skin to skin and adopt some biological nurturing positions (google it for further details). In a nutshell you lay the baby on your chest and allow them to find their way to the nipple. It's a great position to adopt for M and a good one for you with scar. I felt a bit sceptical about it at first, but after doing it with I I am a total convert.

Also keep latching him, the more he latches and feeds the quicker your milk will come in (it is normal to take anything up to 4 days) and the more demand you put on your supply the more milk you will produce. Also try breast compressions when he has latched on.

Try the biological nurturing straight way, but in the meantime please please ring the NCT or LLL breastfeeding line and speak to the experts.

Wrt to dehydration, whilst it is something to be aware of, remember that even when the baby is feeding 'normally' they only receive a tiny amount of colostrom. It is normal for them to live on a tiny amount of fluid until your milk comes in.

And remember that even if you consent to a formula top up it doesn't mean it is an end to bf'ing.

Becaroooodolf · 08/12/2011 10:22

mrsa Oh thank God!!!

Sorry it was so traumatic for you BUT you are ok, baby is ok and I am so very very happy for all of you Smile

Wrt bf, I am afraid I am not the person to ask as I failed both times BUT its very early days yet and 1 bottle of FF wont mean the end of bf and it might just get the HCPs off your back for a few hours?

Sending lots of love to you both xx

Lollyheart · 08/12/2011 10:51

mrsA can you hand express colosturm and give it to him via cup or syringe, I had to do that for dc4, As you know breastfeeding has never been easy for me, I gave up with dc 1 and 2 but dc 3 I fed until nearly 2, dc 4 is 11 weeks now and is mostly beastfed with a little expressed milk in a bottle.

Debs75 · 08/12/2011 11:21

MRSA ILTMIMI has some really good advice. You may need to stand firm with the dr's re formula. He will be getting such a small amount as his tum is so small and he can live on that. Ask about help in expressing to get the colostrum started so when he latches on it comes through a bit quicker. He still won't get much, about 3-4mls a feed is about right(IIRC) but that is why he will feed and feed and feed. Have him on you skin to skin as much as possible. Where skin to skin was developed they suggest at least a sleep cycle 60-90mins and even for you to have him there for longer and to sleep like that kangaroo care. If you don't fancy sleeping then have him there as long as you can bear. Keep him naked as well he won't get cold.
Believe in yourself, your milk will come in and he will be satisfied by it. Be prepared for pretty constant feeding at times but he will eventually settle into a routine. If he doesn't get carrie round and she will Gina Ford him for youSmile

Well done and enjoy him

Becaroooodolf · 08/12/2011 12:19

Some great advice here mrsa Still very early days.....

Went to a&e last night re: my toes...luckily no foot fracture but my toes are buggered Sad its really hard limping on both legs!!! Smile The triage nurse said she had never seen such a badly bruised big toe!!

Tip: DO NOT carry boxes of coat hangers downstairs....if you fall, you land on them and they are very...pointy Sad

CappuccinoCarrie · 08/12/2011 13:49

Oh bec :(

MrsA we are so thankful you're all ok, so so sorry it ended in a crash section. This happened to my dSIL after a cord prolapse but they've gone on to do really really well.

Wrt feeding, I'm not saying you have to give ff, but just that if you do it can be ok! DS2 was 9lb 5oz and was hungry hungry hungry. I would feed and feed him but he was frustrated and cross that there was barely anything there. He had a bottle with about 2oz of formula in on days 2, 3 and 4 until my milk fully came in, then I never looked back with the bf. I exclusively bf til 3 months, and now he has one bottle a day but the rest is all bf. I know they say bf is enough, and your milk will come in, but DS2 was just too hungry to wait for it, he was fretful and wouldn't latch on but once my milk came in and there was a flow of milk he was absolutely fine.

CappuccinoCarrie · 08/12/2011 13:51

Also MrsA DS2 slept for about 8 solid hours the night after I had him and I kept trying to wake him to feed and he wouldn't, but no dehydration occurred!

Meglet · 08/12/2011 16:59

No real advice on bf (apart from what the others have said) but please don't beat yourself up if it doesn't work. You've been through the mill this week and had a major operation, please be nice to yourself. I'm so glad you're both ok Smile.

And I hope you're bossing the midwives around and getting them to help even if they don't want to!

digitalgirl · 08/12/2011 17:53

MrsA so pleased to hear from you. Echo the skin-to-skin advice, plus lollys expressing advice. I had to express every 3 hours with an electric pump to get my milk to come in - and wean DS from formula onto BM via cup-feeding. Took maybe a week to get him completely off formula (after a week of solely formula), but just wanted to show that you can successfully EBF after the dreaded FF top-ups.

bec ouch! is all I can say

ninjinglebells · 08/12/2011 17:55

Hi MrsA it really is early days. I remember with DD1 them telling me I should wake her up to feed and of course she really didn't want to, but then when she did she wouldn't stop! That wasn't for the first day though.

You sound really positive though, and I can't wait to see pictures on facebook

Meglet · 09/12/2011 21:25

I think it's safe to say I'm glad it's nearly the Christmas holidays, we need lots of pj days and time to wind down.

Hope you're on the mend mrsA.

And I hope your toes are feeling better bec.

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 09/12/2011 23:58

Cheers for all comments. Going home tomorrow yay. DS has had a few formula top ups as he is a hungry baby and he gets frustrated at the breast. Midwivess think my milk is coming in but I still can't get him to suck when lated -he gets too angry. I've gone to nipple shields as these work perfdectly for him. So any advice - we've lots of skin to skin etc but how do I get him to syck? When milk is in, will it just flow lots? And is he getting enough via shields and so I get enough stimilation! On phonme sorry for spelling. Ooff to get a nap b4 he wakes again!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 10/12/2011 07:45

Lovely to hear from you MrsA Smile , and hurrah for going home.

Wrt to nipple shields, are you wearing them because you are sore? They are not the devil themselves,but they can lead to more problems than they solve. They can meddle with your supply because of the lack of stimulation, so if at all possible ditch them. If you have got sore nipples you need someone to help you with your latch.

Is he able to turn his head fully to both sides? Sometimes they can suffer trauma to the soft tissue in their necks when born via section (have you ever seen the way they are often lifted upby their necks by the surgeon when they are born?) this can cause them pain (it can be remedied) and they can find it difficult or painful to feed. Try lots of different positions. Tummy to mummy, rugby ball, biological nurturing etc

Please please speak to a bf'ing expert (a MW is not the right person to speak to) and they will give you the help you need.

Keep going with the skin to skin, keep him on you (mimic kangaroo care) as much as possible. Difficult I know after a section, but get dp or the mw's to do the lifting.

Everyone's milk comes in differently. Sometimes one minute it's just there, sometimes it's a gradual thing. Just remember your supply will react to the demand put on it.

I would suggest that when you get home do NOTHING except feed and cuddle, feed and cuddle. Keep visitors to a strict minimum as they can be disruptive. Everyone wants a cuddle (naturally), but he needs to be with you to get the milk and hormones flowing. And remember, dp looks after you, you look after the baby. Sometimes it can be difficult to be doing seemingly nothing, but you ARE NOT just sitting on your arse, you are doing the best thing for ds, plus you need to recover from the section.

Good luck and enjoy being at home Smile

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 10/12/2011 07:54

I agree with you about lots of pj days and winding down Meglet, we are all knackered here and just need to slow down. There's so much going on and so much to do it makes my brain hurt. Our last party is on the 21st, so for the days between then and the 25th the only time we will be out of our pj's is when we have a bath Grin

Becaroooodolf · 10/12/2011 08:57

yy to pj days!!

Sadly dh doesnt do pj days...he thinks its "silly" to stay in pjs all day.

He just doesnt get how tired a) the dc are and b) I am and c) doesnt seem to care Sad

Great to hear from you mrsa Can you ring LLL from hospital?

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 10/12/2011 14:04

Using shields not cos latch is sore, its not, but he screams himself horse without them and simply won't latch on. If I use shields he 'gets it' and latches and feeds. He seems content then, just using the nipple causes him huge stress. But I worry bout stimulation etc. Aiming to just feed etc and there is bf cafe on tues. I will also ring LlL tomorrow. We can get him in for cranial osteopahy too. They asdvise me to hand express too.

Lollyheart · 10/12/2011 14:22

Well done mrsA you're doing a great job, I know how hard it is Smile
I used a nipple Sheild for my right side as my nipple is quite flat, it never effected my supply, I gets a few ounces more on my right side as it happends,
Also when you see a bf counselor ask them to check for tounge tie, Jacob had a prostier one which wasnt that obvious, he had it snipped at four weeks and it made a Hugh difference.
We don't need the Sheild anymore now he's bigger and stronger Smile
oh can't wait to see pics .

Lollyheart · 10/12/2011 14:24

Huge difference Smile

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 10/12/2011 14:40

Using shields not cos latch is sore, its not, but he screams himself horse without them and simply won't latch on. If I use shields he 'gets it' and latches and feeds. He seems content then, just using the nipple causes him huge stress. But I worry bout stimulation etc. Aiming to just feed etc and there is bf cafe on tues. I will also ring LlL tomorrow. We can get him in for cranial osteopahy too. They asdvise me to hand express too.

Meglet · 10/12/2011 20:10

mrsA I used nipple shields with ds and it helped a bit. With DD I just squidged my breast into a shape that she could latch onto and get a proper mouthful. Even after 4 months she never managed to latch on without me helping but I never got sore so it was worth it.