Crawling, sitting, standing..... any Olympians in the midst? ;)

[beaditAli]

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All my minded children get on really well SeaChelles regardless of age and Olly will probably get more attention from older ones and the Childminder is only allowed one under one anyway. Teeth do come in funny orders in some children but usually molars before canines, Luke is constantly chewing his thumb at the back of his mouth so wondering if his are trying to come through. Luke is still in size 3's but I'm just finishing up the pack and then he'll be in 4's. Ds1 was about 15kg when I potty trained him and was still in 4+ then but I think it depends on bodyshape as well as weight.

Ds1 had MMR BeaditAli, it's much more effective than the single jabs plus I studied the paper as part of my degree to show how a research paper shouldn't be written! It should never have been published, the study group was 13 children if I remember rightly and instead of taking children who'd had MMR and seeing how many had autism they took all autistic children and looked at what was in common. Funnily enough they'd all had MMR as almost all children did before their paper and concluded that that was the cause, plus there are a lot of cases of autism that doesn't show until around that age. Despite all that I did have a moment of what am I doing to my baby as the needle went in.

Really glad you dp stepdad is comfortable and with his family newmum001!

Poxy 5.30 wakes up are not doing me any favours :(

AAARGH Chelle You woke me up! Lovely to see you back! We need a FB catch up soon. Olly will definately get more from the older children at 1st cos they'll play with him/around him. Babies Ollys age are unaware of others unless they come to them if that makes sense. My Olly has a friend 4 weeks older. They never play anywhere near each other but he's always surrounded by the older ones. If that waffle makes sense!

Cinnamon I'm with you on the 5.30 wake ups! Nearly 10 months & still no sign of it changing!

Beady Ds1 had the triple. Olly will be too. & stop talking about the year thing! They're all still newborn!

I'm starting to plan their birthday party. ds1s birthday is the 16th Aug, Olly is the 31st so they're having a joint party in the middle. Weather permitting its going to be a pool party. Well, a paddling pool party. I'm going to get 4/5 little paddling pools & let them get wet!

Olly bumped his face yesterday. He's got 1 top tooth almost completely through. Its massive so he's a real goof. That went over the top of his lip & grazed it all while his botttom one went through the inside of his lip! Teath are dangerous!

banana, its finding the time for the FB catch up that poses the prob!

cinammon, its a bit of a weird set up this childminders - as there are actually three of them. The main woman, her daughter (who are both fully qualified) and then an "apprentice" who is just finishing her level 3. So they are allowed more than one under one in this case - I would just like the ones who are starting in Sept to start now so Olly doesn't look so tiny compared to all the rest of them! Hehe....

He had another settling session this morning and I left him for two hours. He was fine apparently apart from crying through the pain of his teeth. They made me a card with 2 pictures of Oliver on to honour his first morning, which nearly made cry.... He was just finishing his lunch when I got back to pick him up and screamed as soon as he saw me! When the childminder got him out of the chair and gave him to me he immediately gave me a big cheesy macaroni kiss! Yeuck! But sooo cute! Back for a full morning tomorrow which will include a nap....I smell disaster...!

Chelle I find Orlaith loves older children, she finds them fascinating. I bet it'll actually help Olly develop even faster! Orlaith does like being around children her own age, especially her cousin, but she just steals things from them and bullies them.

Beadit my sister and I didn't have the MMR as children because my mum works with disabled children and all the parents of autistic children kept saying they thought that had caused it (that was before it was in the papers). But TBH, I agree with cinnamon, the way a study is done and analysed can really affect the outcome and I'm not convinced of the link. I'll be giving it to Orlaith anyway, I think she's hyper enough and probably has inherited ADHD from DP anyway!

mammy It's good to see you back and I hope you had a good birthday.

Chelle, glad to hear Olly's settling in session went well. The macaroni kiss is v cute. I still miss Louis when he's in the nursery, but it does feel a lot more normal now.

Louis will be having the MMR when the time comes (ages away yet though ). The study linking it to autism was just one study that found a link, compared to many others that have not found one, and as cinnamon said, it was really flawed. The whole thing was just blown up in the media, completely tapping into the fears of parents, but as I understand it, there really isn't any scientific basis not to give the MMR, and good reasons to give it (earlier protection, better herd immunity etc). It actually makes me really angry to think how much damage was done by one crap scientist and some very irresponsible reporting. Rant over.

Seachelle Lucy is still in size 3 nappies so I guess she is still dinky.

Beadit Lucy won't be getting the MMR, like dd3. DD1 and DS had it but as DS is autistic I aren't taking any chances with these 2. I have considered giving them it when I know they are definitely not autistic but i might just research the single measles and rubella. We are also getting Lucy tested to see if she needs the 1 year booster as she had bad reactions to the 3 and 4 month ones.

im another one not giving mine the mmr. when all the hysteria was at its height, chloe was about the ages ours are now. and i couldnt risk it for the sake of 180 quid for the single jabs. (we had the single jabs years ago ) i thought my peace of mind was worth 180 and still do. also another thing that struck with me was the woman at the time who was seen as the main campaigner- jackie fletcher is a wiganer, same as me and it so it had more meaning-iyswim. plus even if andrew whatever is name is, has been discredited for crap research you'll not convince the likes of jackie that her son was completely normal until the jab and lots of others say the same. all my friends kids hsve had it and they are fine, but i just cant.

debs this is her website which gives information on the single jabs.
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sorry, try this
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Thanks Sassy I know there was a lot of 'hysteria' about the research but as a parent of asd I can see where these parents are coming from. Watching DS just regress in front of us was terrifying.
IIRC Wakefield wanted single jabs to be used but I can't find anyone in our area who will give them. Our drs just tell me they can't give them but won't tell me how to get them. I have also foundthis which is why I am put off giving Lucy the booster as well.

Bit confuddled here! Those of you not having the tripple mmr do you mean they're having them still as singles or not at all??

The other side of the coin is the risk of not having it. I'm more for that side of it. The fewer people that are having it, the bigger the risk of catching it as there isn't the herd immunity. My dn currently has measles (not sure if he had the mmr and strangely I daren't ask cos it somehow feels quite judgy as if saying "well its your fault" when it isn't like that at all!) The illnesses that the jab protects against can be fatal & I personally would rather risk the chances of a non threatening side affect than the illness itself!

like i said i got caught up in it- obviously- or else i wouldnt have paid for the single jabs for chloe. it might seem like hysteria now, but at the time it was genuinely frightening. it didnt help matters that all the scientists that were saying it was safe were all scientists that had been commissioned by the govt and i seem to remember that mad cows diease or something had also been discredited by govt scientists and they had got it wrong- something like that. anyway no one trusted anything that the govt was saying at the time.
if you click on the link single vaccines debs it gives you a list of all the places that do it in the country.

banana yes mine are having it but as singles. i had single jabs when i was a child as they didnt do triple then and so did my brother but we both still got measles.

I didn't get the jabs as a baby as I was always poorly and my mum wouldn't let me jab me if I was ill. Good advice that as if your immume system is already under stress a load of vaccines will just stress it even more. I've had every childhood illness going and luckily I haven't been too bad with them. I am kind of hoping that the luck will follow with the little dd's until I can get them single jabs.

I know you say herd immunity can drop but think of all the elderly who never had access to vaccines, a lot of them could pass on the diseases.

Anyway this topic almost always ends in a bun fight so will keep stum from now

I hadn't given it a thought to be honest but I'm going to let grace have it. I'm another who thinks the risk of not having it out weighs the risk of having it. I still haven't heard about the check up that everyone seems to be having but if it's 9-12 months then I'll just wait till they contact me. Although knowing my drs it'll probably be when grace is 2!

For those in denial that our babies are still tiny turn away now!! Grace is 1 in 12 weeks, OH MY GOD!

Also I've noticed that all my posts are appearing twice, it's cause I'm on my phone so apologies!

I hadn't given it a thought to be honest but I'm going to let grace have it. I'm another who thinks the risk of not having it out weighs the risk of having it. I still haven't heard about the check up that everyone seems to be having but if it's 9-12 months then I'll just wait till they contact me. Although knowing my drs it'll probably be when grace is 2!

For those in denial that our babies are still tiny turn away now!! Grace is 1 in 12 weeks, OH MY GOD!

Also I've noticed that all my posts are appearing twice, it's cause I'm on my phone so apologies!

I don't have any problem with anyone making a decision either way about the MMR. I had made the decision to give it to her as I wanted her to be protected and was willing to take the risk. I'd read that there were a couple of possibilities as to why there might seem to be a link, mainly that it was that age that changes in children's brains happens and it kind of 'comes out' IYSWIM. Also, that it could be the vaccine that brings it out, in a similar way to how glandular fever kick started coeliac disease in me. Apparently that's something you're genetically prone to and it may appear later in life. I actually didn't know they could do it a single jabs and that there was any evidence that doing that is beneficial so I'll definitely look into it. My sister and I both had measles and rubella after not having the MMR and it wasn't fun!
Thanks for the link sassy!

Oh my god Debs I just read your link and I'm shocked! I can't believe that they don't at least tell you these jabs aren't suitable for veggies!

I think a lot of the old people will have had the disease though. I had rubella and mumps as a child, remember not being able to visit my friend with rubella as her mum was pregnant so couldn't have been that bad but I remember mumps and was horrible, obviously I survived to tell the tale but it wasn't nice.

The one that annoys me is tb, children are not routinely vaccinated now as we haven't had a case for such a long time but with all the immigration it's being brought into the country. In my area we have a lot of polish people and their children get it as they are from a country with high incidence. According to the nurse I spoke to that will stop
English children from catching it (not mentioning those that don't get vaccinated or have it before they arrive) and was told I couldn't pay for it an she would tell me where I could get it done.

We got sooooooooo wet today coming out of school that I bathed the little'uns and the big ones had a shower. Poor little things ds1 cried most f the way home as his feet and trousers were soaked.

Sorry missed newmum001 and saoirse86's posts! The Single vaccines are less effective that's why the MMR exists saoirse86

Hi bead did you have a good time in Woolacombe? DD had mmr and has just had her booster yesterday. No hesitation here about having it done, as cinnamon and maple have said report was totally inaccurate. I have also experienced first hand the damage measles can do and could never risk my daughter or son going through what I have been through.

Another stair climber here! Flynn isn't walking yet but cruising very well, and standing firmly and hovering for a few moments keep waiting for him to take a step!

He has two teeth at the bottom but no sign of any others. He is 9 months old today!!! I can't believe where the time has gone....

I'm knackered from 2 weeks away with the kids, living out of suitcases and all sharing the same room. DD is such a fidget in her sleep, when Flynn wasn't awake, she kept me awake with her constant wriggling!!

Great to be home, pottering and chilling, I love my home so much

P.S. Flynn is also in size 4+ nature baby nappies

Arlo is now a fully fledged walker,nearly keeping up with his big sister around the house
he's really ill atm though,i think its teething,but he seems pretty out of it,temp,with cold hands(sometimes) drowsy, irritable,really,really drooly.
poor kiddo.

Sorry to hear about all the other poorly babies,hope theyre feeling better now though.
id go mad if dp went away for a whole month! mammy et al you are saints

glad to hear from you melly
DD is a wriggler too

Arlo is a 4+ in naturebaby's too.

and in 12 weeks he'll be 1yr old! i cannot believe it,im still convinced he's a newborn!

oh and his big sister is THREE in 5 weeks! so its all go around here,we bought DD her present (scooter) but im completely stuck for ideas for Arlo?!

well done on the walking Arlo.
I think Lucy might go straight to walking, all she wants to do is stand up and she has no interest in crawling at all.

Lucy is 1 in 8 weeks/ish which seems so soon. I have no idea what to get her for her birthday. 4 weeks after that her sis is 3 so it will be party summer in our house

Saoirse they tell you as little as possible and just assume you will do as you are told

Hello frigg !!!!!!!!!!!! Big hugs xxxx

This prob sounds awful, but we didn't get DD much at all for her 1st birthday, we figured she would get so much from other family members and friends that we would be better saving the money for future birthdays when the demands were higher

Poor Arlo sounds like really bad teething maybe?