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SEPT 2005 - thread 2

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pooka · 26/10/2005 20:39

here it is

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KiwiKate · 10/11/2005 10:52

Thanks for letting us know about the SW, LL. Great news! (BTW, I DREAM of a baby who will take a dummy).

Jaydeelady. I do really take my hat off to you. Especially as you have a child with a physical disability too. Try to be kind to yourself and have some self time - even just 20 minutes a day. You really need to take care of you so that you can best take care of your kids.

Redhelen · 10/11/2005 12:14

Hello all
Rachel has another cold!

Lady LL - glad all went well with sw - you make me feel guilty - I don't do stories with dd.Shes very angry today - the cold I think! (or lack of stories) She still hates her bath!

Mummyhill - I was perscribed Amitriptyline for prenatal depression understand it is one of the better options in pregnancy and bfding - however says in a tell your doctor section in the packet - if your having medicines to treat thyroid disorder.

beatie · 10/11/2005 13:23

Hi everyone - thanks for the sleep advice and stories of encouragement.

I fear that Alice gets overtired in the evning as she exhibits all of those 'I-need-to-sleep' signs. I'm sure we'll soon start trying to get a good evening routine established. She was a bit more settled last night, so she might as well have been in her own bed, upstairs.

I bought Gina Ford before I had dd1. I really thought it would be that simple to implement and train a baby ("just like a puppy" ~ I may have said to my mother ) It's only when dd1 was born that I realised it was more stressful ~ for me ~ to implement it than to wait out a natural pattern forming.

That said, I found the book useful to refer to and mostly dd1 found her own pattern which roughly mirrored GF's. I always followed that dd1 should go down for a morning nap 2 hours after she woke up, whatever time that was.

How much sleep should a 2 month old baby be getting by the way. GF says maximum of 4 hours for daytime naps if sleeping 12 hours at night. That doesn't sound like enough sleep. My dd1 was sleeping 16 hours per day way past her first birthday. Surely it cannot be the same for an 8 week old????? Puzzled.

LL _ Good news about the SW.

pooka · 10/11/2005 13:42

Not sure about only 4 hours sleep in the daytime. Tom sleeps much more than that - that said is nowhere near sleeping for 12 hours! To be honest I think it's a payoff - I would actually rather he slept more during the day at the expense of longer nightime stretches, simply so can pay more attention to dd. I'm actually feeling very relaxed about lack of routine. Makes a huge change after last time!

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Redhelen · 10/11/2005 13:43

Gina Ford - If I ever meet her I will attack her with my changing bag! All babies are different - also think babies respond best to staying calm, they need their own routine not a forced one. Sorry - it didn't work for me.

Redhelen · 10/11/2005 15:55

Back from nurse scar looking much better - ds 'fake' crying downstairs and dd is joining him in a loud horrid racket - oh well back to the coal face!!!!

Cabe · 10/11/2005 16:00

Ahhh- I think he's sleeping

Poor little chap, it's the first moment we've had to be able to pop him into his cot all day... and yes he too is soooo overtired, he's just cried for half an hour so unlike him.

Gina Ford - only just started it really, I've not got into the routine part yet, she's just describing how you should set up the nursery etc... As I said, I think I'll be using it for some tips on avoiding Conrad getting distressed, I feel I'd never get a chance to get out and about, or study if I adhered to a prescribed routine.

LL - so glad it went OK yesterday, you must be relieved...

If Conrad stays 'down' I'm going for a little nap too as I'm so tired I can barely type.

Later All xxx

Cabe · 10/11/2005 16:03

about your scar RH

do you need earplugs?

Oh dear, little man grizzling again.

LadyLazarus · 10/11/2005 17:52

I've never read Gina Ford, nor do I particularly want to (!), but am interested to know how she says you should deal with a hungry baby who is hungry ahead of schedule.. what does she say you should do? just let them cry??! i can;t imagine hw it could work, as Elise sometimes feeds every 3 hrs, sometimes 4, sometimes 2.5...

KiwiKate · 10/11/2005 21:52

Beatie, the sleep advisor told me that all babies are different, and you should let them (LET THEM!!) sleep whenever they show "tired signs". Apparently for some babies this could be 18 or even 20 hours a day (in my DREAMS), but for others it is much less.

Also, babies may sleep more (or less) when having a growth spurt/feeling ill etc

pooka · 10/11/2005 22:19

Have to say that Tom probably sleeps about 18 hours a day at the moment.
Also take my hat off to those, Jaydeelady, Sallie and Milward, with more than 2. That said, had just Tom and me until 3pm today and I actually found it harder than when dd is around, mostly because I made the mistake of staying in rather than going out. Seems that the ideal is for us all to head off in the morning, as tom sleeps very well on the go and dd kept amused along with me.
Rhumba - would be great to meet up for a coffee soon. Maybe try and synchronise when your ds is at nursery and my dd is out and about with grannies? Next week not great. Thursday am is usually pretty good for me... What part of Bromley are you in? Can't remember. I'm in Bickley/Bromley Common borders - near Holmes Place.

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Cabe · 11/11/2005 08:42

morning...

oht

hope everyone had good night...

conrad slept 11 hours he's drifted off again now after a huge feed.

RedZuleika · 11/11/2005 10:50

Morning morning.

I'm a bit bewildered by all of you talking about your babies being overtired and having a bed time routine... Our little peanut sleeps when she's tired and wakes up when she isn't - and I've not complicated the matter more than that. She will sleep through the television / hoover / dog barking, whilst being held / in her little rocker - so I haven't been 'putting her to bed', as it were, early in the evening. I'm assuming that this might have to change as she sleeps less in the day. At the moment, however, she has a similar routine to that she had in utero: sleeps all morning, is wakeful in the late afternoon / evening.

The one place she WON'T sleep at night, however, is in her cot. I had reservations about co-sleeping (mainly to do with the pillows / duvet) but she has very firm ideas about it. Her cot is a bedside cot, with the side down between her mattress and ours - but she knows it's not the real deal and won't settle at night unless she's in our bed next to me. This does have the advantage of my being able to feed her in my sleep.

I wondered whether the recent nights of screaming for three hours from midnight might have had to do with her being fractious around evening feeds, only feeding for ten minutes at time and constantly de-latching during that period. Meaning that she's hungry and has terrible wind in the night. The last couple of nights, therefore, I've tried forcing her to feed (i.e. shoving her head back towards the nipple and not letting her fall asleep until she's had a good twenty minutes) and she's gone out like a light at our bedtime, only starting to fuss at 4.30 ish - then she's gone back off to sleep until 8-ish.

Boompi - thanks for the explanation of the ssh / pat thing. I sort of stroke A's back when we're going to sleep - and stroking her eyebrows seems to send her right off for some reason. What are you doing with the hairdryer??

Beatie - had to laugh at your 'just like a puppy' thing. I suspect training puppies is only simple if you own a nice biddable labrador...

Mummyhill - sorry to hear that the black dogs are howling... I was semi-convinced before getting pregnant that I'd get pnd post-partum (just because my temperament generally is a bit up and down - and I'm rather prone to serious pre-menstrual gloom), but I've found that I disliked being pregnant so much, that anything other makes me feel positively sunny. Hope the ADs work anyway...

Rhumba - Mhairi was actually my husband's choice - and we couldn't make a decision between that and Arianwen. The disadvantage of having Mhairi as a first name, though, would be that you just know that she would go through life being routinely mispronounced. At least with Arianwen, there's an outside chance that people might get it right... even if they always double-take when I first say it.

Cabe · 11/11/2005 11:34

Hello

RZ - I'm only guessing that Conrad's overtired when he gets very unsettled and crys without me being able to console him. His feeding pattern's changed over this last week or so and we're getting just wet nappies for a good 2 - 3 days running... this seems to be causing some wind discomfort and stopping his long daytime sleeps.

He'll have a nap in the sling, or for 20mins in his purring bouncy chair but other than that he's awake and as I'm out and about so much it's difficult for me to let him just rest.

I'm trying to follow his needs as far as I can guess them just like everyone - don't have a partner 'on tap' to thrash things out with so I'm reading this Ford womans book just for tips and to see if there's anything I'm missing.

Redhelen · 11/11/2005 12:07

Morning

Feeling tired today - Rachel's cold kept me awake - shes snoring - just like her father!

Just one week to my brothers wedding! - can't believe hes marrying hes very fussy - didn't think there was a woman good enough for him ha!

Be in Spain in 2 weeks - starting to panic about the logistics of it all 10 week old baby traveling, eating out, overnight in the hotel etc.....

Bubbles - I've bought christmas cards today!!

Redhelen · 11/11/2005 12:08

ops - afternoon!!!

PiccadillyCircus · 11/11/2005 12:28

Afternoon all .

DS and I haven't got dressed yet . But Alice is dressed.

Can those with babies who are sleeping a long amount of time at night please talk to Alice about it? Last night not nice, 2 hour waking makes me tired. DH said I looked "very tired" when he left (and he has phoned to see how I was as well). Luckily DS is in a very good mood today and is cheering me up .

I think Alice is going to find her thumb soon - she is starting to suck fist/fingers etc and just now stirred in her sleep and got herself back to sleep by sucking some part of her hand. I am a firm believer in the power of thumbs (as is DS).

Redhelen · 11/11/2005 12:35

PiccadillyCircus - Rachel loves to chew her fists - as she can't always find her thumb (ahh!)

I tried to give her a dummy - but she pushes it out - much to dh's amusement! I found a dummy a life saver with ds - but dd not interested. However he was 3 before I managed to part him from it! - only had it a night after he could walk though.

milward · 11/11/2005 12:43

Thanks pooka - it is hard work with 4 as they all have different needs that I have to meet. My 2yr old causes me the most difficulties.

With dd1 & 2 still sick I feel beyond tired. Last night dd1 had temp, didn't sleep & coughed alot. I have a docs appointment today. dd2 threw up from coughing in the night but with the antibiotics is feeling better. ahhhhhh - now just waiting for dd3 to come down with it. Hope that bf will protect ds4.

Last night dh remarked how tired & awful I looked! Feel I could do with a day & night in bed just bf & sleeping. With dh bringing up cups of tea. I can but dream....

Mummyhill - hope you're ok

best wishes to all xxx

milward · 11/11/2005 12:49

redhelen - spain in 2wks - lovely. For travelling I use a babysling. Makes it easier to get on & off the plane. Also have a nappy & wipes plus outfit change at the top of your bag!! Are you bf? - will be easy on the plane for take off & landing.

rz - I co-sleep. I use an orthopedic type pillow so no probs for ds4 as it's a hardish block & he couldn't get under it. I put a cloth for him to sleep on. I am next to him & he cuddles up. It saves me from having to get up in the night to bf. I bf & sleep at the same time.

andif · 11/11/2005 13:05

Hi all.
Milward, I'm not surprised you're tired - hopefully there'll be a light at the end of the tunnel soon. I've just realised that this is my first '5 day week' entirely alone with the kids - last week should have been, until the hospital incident!! Decided 5 days is much too long - by Weds evening I'd had it!! Dh out last night and dd took the opportunity to be a nightmare - I ate dinner standing up, in a couple of instalments. Feel sorry for the boys as they're getting the brunt of my temper at the end of the day!!
RZ, we also have a dog, just over a year. He's lovely, but have had days of wondering why it seemed such a good idea...! Love the walks, but hate the way he looks at me during the day, as if I'm no fun anymore!! Poor old dh gets hassled to play with him the minute he walks in in the evening! He (the dog, not dh) has a horrible habit of licking anyone at his level (ie kids, babes in pushchairs..) - dd spends most time either in her pram, or in a rocker chair on the kitchen table!
DD did 5.5 hours between feeds last night, but was asleep on me (wouldn't even be moved next to me) the whole time, so don't think it counts!! Tried Boompi's shhhh pat thing, but a resorted to a dummy after five minutes - too much to do to persist! Ds1 was rocked to sleep for at least 6 months, and has been a fantastic sleeper ever since, so not too worried about starting 'bad habits'.
Sling testing finished! Liked the moby wrap, but found the volume of fabric annoying, so splashed out and bought the tricotti - v similar idea, but comes already sewn into 2 bands, so no wrapping and tying necessary. trying it out as I type - have managed to hoover and put washing out too, so a definite success
Not very good at responding to other people's posts - by the time I start posting, my brain has forgotten what everyone said! Trying to keep it active with a very sad sudoku habit, but failed the Guardian's difficult one today - may try again later...!!

milward · 11/11/2005 13:11

andif - thanks. Hope you're ok as well xxx
I do the suduko puzzles as well. I couldn't finish the fiendish in the times yesterday -will have a go later. My favourites are the difficult ones again in the times. I tried an easy one in the guardian the other day & went wrong with it & didn't have time for a second go. It did seem quite tough!!

Cabe · 11/11/2005 13:27

Note to Alice...

SSSSLLeeeeeeeeeeeeeeP!!!

Cabe · 11/11/2005 13:36

Milward - You sound increadibly bright and cheery considering, hope things get better there soon and you can get a chance to catch up with some rest x

RH - hope Rachels cold gets better soon - it's distressing when they're struggling

Conrad settles better when he finds his thumb too

LadyLazarus · 11/11/2005 15:26

Not sure if anyone's interested here, but I'm selling my Ameda LActaline and a book on expressing breast milk on ebay.. username is angel132_uk