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SEPT 2005 - thread 2

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pooka · 26/10/2005 20:39

here it is

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PiccadillyCircus · 07/11/2005 14:36

beatie, DS started "going to bed" when he was about 8 weeks (breast fed as well). He got really cross in the evenings and I thibk it was becuase he wanted to be asleep.

I don't know how I would get both to bed on my wn so Alice is staying up in the evenings for now. I think she has a 10-10 sleep cycle at the moment (with feeds of course) which I would eventually like to shift.

PiccadillyCircus · 07/11/2005 14:38

Enough MNtting for me - will chabge Alice and then go and buy DS's birthday present (want to be prepared although birthday not until 22nd).

Cabe · 07/11/2005 14:40

Beatie - Conrad's going through a more unsettled stage, I didn't try to enforce a routine but got the impression he was getting too tired, I have started to try to put him in his cot about half an hour earlier every few nights, doesn't always work but he's going down 9.30 - 10pm rather than 12 - 12.30am now

I wouldn't have the pluck to just try 7 or 8pm - the fear that he'd finished his sleep just as I creep into bed puts me right off the idea

His unsettledness seems to be due to change in nappy habits - only soiling nappy every 2 - 3 days now and this seems to be causing more wind - he'll settle in a few days though I'm sure x

jessyandabbysmummy · 07/11/2005 15:35

OK have caught up...
Very of you who's DH/DPs get home a t a resonable hour. When he's not working away DH not usually home until 7.30-ish and is now warning me that the particular contract that he is on will mean later nights. Because of this DD1's (21mths) bedtime has never been before 8pm and she quite often refuses to go down until 10pm. But DH would get really depressed if he didn't have some time with her when he got home. We have a routine but the timing is flexible depending on how tired DD1 is. She sleeps during the day (if she wants) to catch up on sleep. I don't keep her up deliberately, she's just got into the habit. With DD2 having arrived we are now trying to introduce an earlier routine which should mean that she's in bed at 8. Will mean that I'll have to bath both myself...watch this space.
PC - my aunt (practice nurse) told me when DD1 had a snotty nose when she was tiny that you could use saline drops to dry it up. Thing is that the drops also dry up the throat so I never used them.
at your beautiful little girls, bubbles.
KiwiKate ? hope rocker worked for Grace (and you!)
LadyL ? hope tomorrow goes ok with HV and SW.
Cabe ? Poor you, suffering with Conrad?s ?mumps and DD?s cold. Abigail only soils her nappy every couple of days too. But when she does, boy does she make up for it!

mummyhill · 07/11/2005 16:08

Lady L found this on internet hope it explains section 47:-

Investigating child abuse: What is a 'section 47' enquiry?
Q. Investigating child abuse: What is a 'section 47' enquiry?
A. A 'section 47' enquiry means that social services must carry out an investigation when they have reasonable cause to believe that a child living in their area has suffered or is likely to suffer significant harm.

They must also carry out an investigation when a child:

is already the subject of an emergency protection order, or

is in police protection, or

has contravened a ban imposed by a curfew notice.

The purpose of this investigation is to decide what should be done to safeguard and promote the child's welfare.

If social services are carrying out an enquiry under this section, it is important that you cooperate with the social worker if asked to do so. At the end of a 'section 47' enquiry, social services may decide that there is no risk to the child and take no further action, or they may decide that the child is at risk of continuing harm and call a Child Protection Case Conference.

Cabe · 07/11/2005 17:05

JAAM - sorry if I've given the wrong impression, Conrad's OK it's just that I'm concerned that he's been in close contact with someone who has Mumps - dd's dosed up with paracetamol and coping much better

Mummyhill - doesn't the section 47 stuff sound so impersonal? I hope the social worker will come across as a human and not a box ticker.

LL your social worker would probably have to tell the health professionals that you're in contact with because of this joined-up services directive thingy - Hope it all goes smoothly and you and the social worker are left reassured after the interview - thinking of you hun xxx

Kiwifruit · 07/11/2005 17:08

Hi All

Have just skim read the thread, as is ages since I managed to get near my computer. Hope you're all well and happy (sounds like you are .

I'm tired, but doing fine, Charlotte is doing really well, but seems to be struggling with wind at the moment, which is a bit frustrating (thank goodness for infacol!).

OMG, have been wandering around in a haze for the last few weeks, thinking that we still have about 6 weeks left until we move back to NZ. Finally dawned on me that it's 3 weeks tomorrow , and we don't have any packing organised, and the majority of our 'to do' list is still to be done . So have just organised the removals people - we are being lazy and paying for them to pack our stuff up, as I think with a baby in the house it would be a complete nightmare.

Had my 6 week checkup today. Discussed contraception - ha ha - in DH's wildest dreams we might have a need for it at the moment. Was keen on an IUS, but it's not free in our area, and will cost £140. Think will wait till I get back to NZ and see what it costs there. In the meantime have a mini pill prescription, but don't know that I trust myself to remember to take it at the moment!

Boompi - your evening sounds almost exactly the same as ours. Thought I would start the bedtime routine with bath/feed/story/bed when I get back to NZ. In the meantime, Charlotte doesn't go down to bed awake - tried letting her cry herself to sleep, but lasted 15 mins with me crying on the sofa and her screaming the bedroom. Decided to wait until get back to NZ and have my Mum/DH to help me.

Right, had better go and tick a few more items off my to do list. Will try and be a more regular poster...

Bubbles - your 2 girls are grogeous!

LadyLazarus · 07/11/2005 17:41

Well, I decided to be brave and try a mother and baby group this afternoon... only to end up in an 'Eid' party (end of Ramadan) with loads of women all talking arabic wearing headscarves. Stayed 5 mins and was shown around by SureStart woman... think I'll go another day, when it's a bit calmer!

Redhelen · 07/11/2005 18:12

Good news - My scar is not currently infected - swab came back negative! Have another appointment on Thursday - to check healing. Wish it was all better and gone away.

Good luck tomorrow LadyL xx

Cabe - hope dd better & ds does not get mumps. xxx

mummyhill · 07/11/2005 19:04

Good luck LadyL it all sounds pretty grim but is apparently standard procedure when an assult occurs on a woman with small infants. Social services have to inform the health visitor of their interest which gives the HV the heads up to look for anything out of the ordinary either in you or the baby. Hopefully they will decide that it doesn't need to go any further as it is a nightmare once your child is put on the at risk register.

Redhelen · 07/11/2005 22:06

Night night - going shopping tomorrow!!!!

Cabe · 08/11/2005 01:17

RH - great news about your scar, try to get as much rest as you can to aid the healing so you can really enjoy the coming events - here's me saying this at past one in the morning!

Night night everyone

Hope Abby and Jess sleep well tonight JAAM - KKate your Grace too in her new rocker [really sleepy emoticon]

beatie · 08/11/2005 09:08

I was going to do a gloating dance towards Cabe that I'd managed the first post of the morning but since she posted at 1:30am, I think she achieved it again

LL - Good luck for today.

I've recovered from yesterday. What a rotten day it was. Alice was awake from 12:30pm to 7:30pm and then woke again at 8:30pm and did not settle down for the night until near 11pm. I was frazzled. But, then she slept until 4:30am, fed and slept until 7:30am.

I have finally run out of the disposable nappies and started to use the stash of cloth nappies we used for dd1. I was so nervous about adding to our ever increasing laundry but now that Alice is wearing them, I am enjoying having a fat-bottomed baby again

Cabe I took your advice and got some Tots Bots and love them. I used one overnight last night and now I want more.... they're so fluffy and snuggly. During the day I use Pre-folds with a white Pr-wrap and a fleece liner. Not so cute and snuggly

Kiwikate I ordered the Ezee Rocker too! But, the company I placed the order with werten't able to source one. This was way back in June. Instead I ordered the Panda Hammock which looks similar - it's a hammock with a flat base and it hangs on a wooden frame. Since it hangs from the centre of each end, I don't think it self-rocks quite like the Ezee Rocker so I wish I had managed to get that after all. (email coming your way soon )

I've ventured out to two toddler groups in the area. The soft play one last Friday which was excellent and an NCT one 9in a church hall)yesterday. Everyone was very friendly yesterday and there were other girls the same age as dd1. Monday is my worst day and it is imperative that I have somewhere to go to ease the 'Monday' feeling.

Redhelen · 08/11/2005 09:25

Hello!

Going shopping!!! - scar looking better - very excited my wound swab grew no nasties (sadly it did twice after the c-section) so all clear now!!!

Rachel had a really grizzly day yesterday and bearly slept - but did sleep 10.30pm-7am and woke up smiling!!!

Thinking of you LLxxx

teenmumkent · 08/11/2005 11:20

Morning everyone,

For some reason i've been hovering for the last few days and not actually posting. Cant quite remember if i was interrupted with a grumpy baby or not. Yesterday evening was horrible he was crying and i couldn't stop it, but i dont think it was colic as it did eventually stop after a bath...not sure what that was all about, maybe he knew he was dirty
Cabe - i'm guessing you're still in bed after a very late night/early morning...how are you coping?lol i cant stay awake beyond 11!!

Anyone know what's happened to Franch? she hasn't posted in ages!
Bubbles - your girls are beautiful
JAAM - good luck with the bathing thing...could DD1 help you with DD2? i put Noah in with me the other day...wont try it again for a while!

Sorry if i missed anyone x x x

LL - hope all is going well for you today
KF - what have you done re: Charlotte's passport photo? i only ask as DF is taking us away just before christmas, to an unknown destination and i need to get him one [confused emotion]

jessyandabbysmummy · 08/11/2005 12:19

How romantic of DF, TMK!...Unknown destination... Even if it's Blackpool (surely not) it will be lovely. DH has promised me that he's taking me away on a child free spa weekend some time soon...not holding my breath but I suppose it's the thought that counts.
DD1 is a bit over enthusiastic with DD2 at the best of times on dry land so the introduction of water is sure to be a disaster. Have tried to get her to help a couple of times by passing me towels, shampoo, etc but since our bathroom is quite compact she has ended up tripping over me twice - only luck that she's not slammed her face up against the loo or tiled floor yet.
Sorry Cabe, had realised that Conrad wasn't infected - meant to replace ? with "queried" before I posted. Hope he's still symptom-free. Jess slept through last night which meant that it was Abigail's turn to keep me up! Should really go for a lie down but I get easily distracted by housework or MN [guilt emoticon] when Abigail is asleep.
Hope all ok with everyone else, esp LL.
TMK - you'll need to get a move on with noah's passport if you want it before Christmas otherwise you'll be making a mad dash up here to the passport office in Liverpool. We got caught last year as Jessica's birth came before introduction of neccesary long certificate for first passport. We were unaware of the rule when we tried to get one 8 mths later. Cost us an extra £80 for a rush job and hectic trip into town (lucky we live close by). Her photo is hilarious. I had to dangle her into a photo booth and hope for the best. You can see my hands holding her under the arms!!! Hope you end up somewhere nice.

RedZuleika · 08/11/2005 12:37

Hello hello. (Runs up huffing and puffing, late to the party and clutching a bottle of warm champagne...)

Sorry it's taken so long - I really don't know where the time has gone. Thanks to everyone who's been concerned about me. I feel like I've just woken up after some kind of time warp, wondering what happened to October. This was initially due to exhaustion after a rather debilitating labour (of which more in a mo). I really have no idea when the earthquake happened in Pakistan or why there's rioting in Paris... and I haven't even harrassed my MP over her voting record on the Terrorism Act - which is very unlike me

Anyway - first things first: Arianwen Mhairi Rose (I said Peanut would be a girl!) was born on October 9th, weighing 7lb 1oz. Arianwen is a Welsh name - and not even a very common one - and is pronounced as it's spelt.

Labour started on October 6th - but the first couple of days were, it transpired, only latent labour: which I take to mean that it hurts just as much as the real thing, but isn't achieving anything, as one's cervix isn't dilating. The contractions were certainly coming every five minutes at one point, lasting for a minute - and dispelling any thoughts of sleep. When active labour finally got underway (sometime on Saturday the 8th), it happened quite quickly and I started to get second stage pushing urges early on Sunday. Peanut's arrival was cheerfully expected for mid to late morning, the heating was on, towels were on the radiators and the champagne was in the fridge.

However.

On the Saturday, I had been in the bath and felt / heard an enormous crack in my pelvis as I turned over. I had had the same experience turning over in bed, but this was accompanied with a feeling of movement, which made me wonder if the Peanut had changed position. The crack was so conspicuous that I briefly wondered if it were possible to break your child's neck whilst still in utero. Anyway, it subsequently turned out that my beautifully positioned LOA baby had foolishly and irresponsibly turned to a deflexed ROP position - and therefore wasn't going anywhere. After some hours of strong second stage contractions with no sign of descent, my midwife called an ambulance and we transferred to Watford General. The foetal heart was decelerating when I spent too long in one position, coming back up when I moved - which was making my midwife uncomfortable. I also had the suspicion that Peanut might have passed meconium whilst we were waiting for the ambulance to arrive. Had I not been hanging on to the internal rail, moo-ing through contractions, though, it might have been quite exciting travelling under a flashy blue light.

On arrival at Watford, two registrars turned up shroud-waving about my clotting disorder and the fact that Peanut was a post-dates baby - facts which may both have been true, but had no bearing upon our decision to transfer or the fact that she wasn't coming out. They were insistent that they would try ventouse - but my husband and I both felt that everything had been going so well, that if she weren't coming out, there must be a good reason for it and tugging her out by ventouse wasn't going to be the answer. Which turned out to be the case, as they took one look at her position and put the ventouse away. Arianwen was born by emergency Caesarean at 3.36 on Sunday afternoon, covered in meconium, but with Apgars of 8 and 9 at one and five minutes respectively. Having spent 70+ hours in labour (probably the only thing I'll ever have in common with Gwyneth Paltrow) with only two paracetamol and a small beaker of Black Sheep Ale by way of pain relief, the moment the spinal block took effect has got to rank as absolutely heavenly.

Although the Caesarean has healed well, my platelets have subsequently gone through the roof - which is a concern and I won't be stopping the anti-coagulants any time soon. It has made me try and get up and about as soon as possible, though, so my stomach muscles are doing ok with long walks and an over-enthusiastic dog pulling on the lead (it's a bit like having a toddler already).

It's a shame that Peanut wasn't actually born at home - but I'm very glad that the labour took place at home. I couldn't have done it without the birthing pool, which I wouldn't have had access to at Watford, and it was good to have the confidence in the midwife to know that when she advised transfer, it was the right thing to do - and not just because of NHS protocol or the fact that they were short-staffed on the labour ward. It was also interesting to note the attitude of hospital staff when we turned up with our own note-taking health professional - I very much got the feeling that they did everything by the book: including making sure that everyone knocked on the door before entering the assessment room. And she insisted on being in the operating theatre, as well as my husband, despite the initial squealing of hospital staff that it wasn't their policy to allow more than one person. She was also really good with the breastfeeding after the birth, visiting me on the ward while I was there, then every day at home initially (some flat nipple problems, sorted temporarily with nipple shields).

Post-natal ward was ok - although having been three nights without much sleep, I didn't get very much in the hospital either as they kept wheeling in women with squealing infants at ungodly hours of the morning. Particularly irritating, since mine, meanwhile, was sleeping peacefully. Luckily I was only there for two nights, as I was starting to get a psychotic glint in my eye. I had to stalk the SHO before they discharged me in the end anyway, as they were concerned about my low Hb levels. I was more concerned about the galloping platelets, but wasn't going to mention them in case they found some reason to delay discharge (in which case, I think I'd just have had to abscond against advice...).

Anyway - lots more to say, but I'm sure I should be washing some nappies or something. It's taken me a day and a half to catch up on all your posts. Arianwen is sleeping peacefully at the moment, as is the dog, but a bit more of that between 12 and 3am would be good. Incidentally - those with dogs - what do you put your babies in during the day? I've got Arianwen in a sort of rocking thing, but it's a bit low and the dog keeps trying to snuffle her face. His intentions are friendly - and he's particularly interested when she's crying or hiccuping - but I know where that muzzle has been. I know he'll do wonders for her immune system in the long run, but I'd rather he kept his germs to himself in the short term. My mother keeps going on about a moses basket, but I'm concerned about the stability: he's not a big dog, but he can be a bit boisterous and curious and I wouldn't trust him not to knock the stand over.

STM / TMK - congratulations!

Piccadilly Circus - I am indeed in St Albans. Not sure how you knew that...

Right. I'll be off to do something constructive. Apologies again for radio silence. I do think I asked Mr RZ to post a message on the Sunday evening she was born - but I was on morphine and he was sleep deprived (and had had the additional stress of ambulance-chasing), so that must have gone by the wayside.

pooka · 08/11/2005 12:55

Oh RZ - I am SOOOO relieved you're both OK. CONGRATULATIONS

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LadyLazarus · 08/11/2005 13:00

just waiting for SW to come. Had E's 8 week check this morning, everything fine. Weight on the 91st centile!! Chubby baby! Howled the place down after jabs but is settled now.

RZ - welcome back! Sorry you had a horrid ordeal, but glad your baby is ok and you're back on MN!

andif · 08/11/2005 13:02

Congratulations and welcome back RZ - a relief to hear you and baby are both well, even if it wasn't exactly the birth experience you planned (is it ever..?)
Haven't posted for ages as seem to be so busy - don't know where the day goes and can't believe Nell is nearly 7 weeks! Had high drama last week when I fell down the stairs, dropping Nell and she flew across the hall, landing flat on her back on a wooden floor! To cut a very long story short, we spent the day in Kingston Hospital where the staff were fantastic, where she was given a clean bill of health - the incredible bouncing baby. As I type this, it sounds light hearted, but was actually incredibly traumatic, and I think it will take me a long time to recover - I feel incredibly over protective towards her - left her for half an hour this morning to got to my 6 wk check and was in tears on the way! We both went to the cranial osteopath on Friday - she was fine, and my back is recovering nicely.
Beatie, glad to hear you're enjoying Totsbots. I bought lots on ebay of the rainbow ones which are lovely - they are thinner than the white ones so better during the day and easier to dry. I treated Nell (myself) to one of their new bamboozles - made of bamboo (huh?!) and feel like silk - I'm hooked!! Could be an expensive habit!

jessyandabbysmummy · 08/11/2005 13:37

Welcome back RZ. Very naughty of you to keep us waiting!! Glad all ok in the end. Welcome to Arianwen. Just beat me by a day in the end. x

beatie · 08/11/2005 14:14

Huge congratulations to you RZ. You had me very scared and I am relieved to see you back on here. I can appreciate how dazed you must be feeling over the past month's events.

Of course you had a girl - Nearly all the Due in September Babies are. They'll be fighting over those few boys.

Arianwen is an unusual name. It sounds very pretty.

LadyLazarus · 08/11/2005 14:52

andif - poor you. Glad to hear Nell's ok. I have a phobia about falling down the stairs or tripping when I am carrying Elise, so I can imagine what a worry it must have been to have actually done it.

Is this cheeky?! The SW sent me an email at 2pm (the time she's supposed to be at my house!) saying she's running late, can she make it tomorrow? I know I have a new baby, but does that mean I want to stay at home all bloody week waiting for people to turn up?!

PiccadillyCircus · 08/11/2005 14:56

Juggling two small people and one laptop but just wanted to say so glad you're here RZ .

I'm not a stalker really - you said at some time you were in Herts and mentioned buying lots of bananas in the market on a Saturday once and I guessed. My BIL and wife live in St Albans so ~I know it a bit.

jessyandabbysmummy · 08/11/2005 15:20

Sorry andif - missed your post in my relief that RZ is ok. GLad that Nell's ok. Amazing how they bounce. Big fear of mine, too. One of my friends' baby fell all the way down the stairs when a teeny tiny tot - completely unscathed. Hope you get over the shock, probably more traumatic for you than Nell.