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SEPT 2005 - thread 2

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pooka · 26/10/2005 20:39

here it is

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RedZuleika · 09/11/2005 11:14

Morning morning.

I don't seem to have much appetite at all at the moment. I'd put on about two and a half stone during the pregnancy and a stone and a half of that has just fallen off (apart from the obvious baby + placenta, most of it seems to have been wee'd out - my hands and feet are a normal size again). Still can't get into most of my clothes though.

I'd love to go swimming too, but I hate going when it's crowded (ie evenings and weekends) - and although my MIL has been coming over for occasional afternoons, to look after Peanut (should probably stop calling her that) and walk the dog, I've mainly occupied my time with sleeping while she's here.

Andif - my big worry too. Old Victorian house, narrow treads on the staircase. I fell down it myself a year ago and landed flat on my back.

Boompi - what's the Baby Whisperer shh/pat thing?? We've had the screaming at bedtime (ours, not hers) for the last few nights. Last night, she settled after about an hour, but the couple of nights before that, she screamed / grizzled for about three. By which time, she's hungry again and I'm getting a vicious glint in my eye. The rest of the time, she goes off to sleep, no probs.

Cabe - the dog is absolutely lovely, but he is only just over a year old and therefore still quite a puppy. I think he doesn't quite understand why the baby doesn't DO more. He tries to take her his toys - which are probably even more rank and germ infested than his muzzle. Still - am relieved that he's being generally affectionate - and all the scaremongering about how I was going to have to get him castrated has proven to be unfounded as yet. Have to work on avoiding doggie jealousy though...

RedZuleika · 09/11/2005 11:16

PC - I'm sure it's almost obligatory to feel down occasionally. I've wondered what would happen if I just closed the door behind me and wandered off... and how long it would take them (husband / baby / dog) to forage for their own food...

Rhumba · 09/11/2005 12:11

Been meaning to post for ages but have been busy. Got very tired and down with DS so have been sleeping at lunch time when they do (if they do!)rather than chatting

Am managing the two children thing better than I thought I would and am enjoying it more than with DS - but still don't always manage to get out as much as DS would like. GAbrielle is doing well but is fighting the bottle which we were trying to introduce for a 10pm feed of EBm. She settles Ok at 7 but when whenever she next wakes (7.30 -11.30 depending on her mood) she is a nightmare to settle and just fusses like mad. However last night she slept from 11.00 to 5.30am so I feel sooo much better today. Lets hope it's not a blip!

Congrats to STM/KTM really fantastic news and also to RZ, Glad all is well with you. I like the name Mhari and considered it for Gabrielle but it was vetoed but DH.

Haven't had time to read other posts fully but hope all is well with everyone else.

Pooka - let me know if you fancy showing off wee Tom and meeting up. You'd be welcome to pop over here or we could meet in Bromley. Feel I need to start being social again especially when it's too wet to go to the park etc!

milward · 09/11/2005 13:46

Hello All - here dd1 & dd2 both sick with chest infections. dd2had temp of 40.4 last night! - was worried. Both been to the doc & dd2 has to take antibiotics. Looking forward to normal chaos as Cabe wrote! Tired out. I just hope that dd3 & ds4 don't get the germs. No school for dd2 tomorrow & will see for dd1 later how she is.

pc - sorry you're feeling down. My washing machine packed up last year - complete nightmare. Was so pleased when new one arrived - immediately tested it to its limits.

andif - falling with a little one is always a worry. Once I slipped in the street. I had dd2 in my arms as she was a baby & I passed her to my other arm that I wasn't going to land on as a relex. It saved her & I was amazed I'd reacted so quick without realising it at the time. When preg I was carrying dd3 and I tripped in the garden but couldn't stop myself from going down a slope & had to make myself fall before I went into trees!! Had to go to school to collect my other kids covered in mud as I had no time to change. Looked like I'd been for a muddy walk with a dog!!

jaydeelady · 09/11/2005 15:40

Hi all finally made it back for a quick chat. Haven't abandoned you all just still finding my feet with this new addition. Feeling pretty low with it all really and you all sound so on top of it and capable. Anyway a good day today haven't cried more than once , so things may be looking up!!!
Anyway now time to get dd1 and dd2 from school, so i'll try to catch up again tomorrow or later maybe as dh is out tonight (again).

PiccadillyCircus · 09/11/2005 16:25

Washing machine is now working again - it needed a new knob.

Thank you for nice thoughts everyone - I do need some "me" time I think. Although DH does cook nearly every night and I do get to have baths fairly regularly (I have showers as well).

Alice is being nice and sleeping in her basket.

bubbles2904 · 09/11/2005 17:55

First of all, huge congrats rz, so glad you're both ok, i was so worried, lovely name by the way xxx
Ok, reality check, i always thought i could live without mumsnet, but for the first time since i discovered it, i have been absent for 3 whole days , dp was using my laptop to do some of his work, and broke a part inside it, so he had to order a new piece and it only came today, so i can now stop shaking from the withdrawal symptoms.
Thanks all on the comments about my dds, i think they're both gorgeous, but i'd be a crap mum if i didn't.
can't remember everything i was meant to comment on as it's taken me over 1 hour to catch up on posts, glad conrad is ok cabe, sorry about the shopping trip rh, LL, if the sw thought you're baby was so at risk, she would of made you a priority so thats hopefully a good sign, although soooo annoying. fingers crossed for you. Not sure if it was andif? so glad you and nell are ok, i too worry about that. PC, glad you're feeling better, we all have bad days xxx
On the immunisations, Mia is due hers on the 14th, and her 6wk check (wtf? she's almost 10 wks)on the 17th, so have to cancel the jabs as, apparently, she has to have the check 1st, phoned the other day to change appt, but got some idiot receptionist that didn't know her ass from her elbow.
Can't think of anything else to say xxx glad everyone is coping ok

bubbles2904 · 09/11/2005 17:57

ps, i also need the smug emoticon, Mia slept from 9:30 until 7 when MY alarm woke her

sarahhal · 09/11/2005 18:07

Hi all. Hope you are feeling better PC and glad to hear that you are well RZ.

of all you who are having full nights of sleep! Tom sleeps from 7.00 - 11.00pm then we wake him before we go to bed to feed. He just can't get past 3.30am which I am willing him to do. Every night I think " Tonight he may sleep until 5.00" but no chance! We were spoilt with DS1 as he slept through from about six weeks - but look at him now, often awake more than Tom in the night!!

It's freezing cold here at the moment as the builders have knocked great big holes in the dining room and upstairs landing and have conveniently sodded off for a few days. Mum and Dad go on holiday tomorrow so think we will be there for a while - have to have baths there anyway as something technical to do with plumbing had to change with extension. Can't actually believe I am so calm about being bathless!

Cabe · 09/11/2005 18:12

oht

I'm sure it's a relief you've got your washing machine back PC but I don't envy your backlog of laundry though... hope your dh helps out what a sweetie for doing so much of the cooking.

I think that's the thing I dislike most in the day - just as I'm winding down (before my late night second wind!) I have to shift gear and get all domestic goddessy [roll eyes emoticon]

Beatie - sleep? what's that?!? What will you be studying? is it boffin post-grad stuff or are you still with the novices like me and doing a first degree?

Boompi - hope you manage to sort out dd's sleeping, I'm only reading Gina Ford for tips, I couldn't enforce a routine on a baby, i can't keep to a routine myself!

Poor Conrad's tummy's still playing up today - I've got a 'hot-bod' barley filled bear that warms in the microwave, putting this against his lower back or tummy seems to relieve the pain a bit and it's smaller and safer than a hot water bottle.

Milward - get well vibes winging their way to your little brood x

PC - hope you feel better in the morning x

Redhelen · 09/11/2005 19:28

Hello!

My next outfit arrived for brothers wedding - very nice and it makes me look a little slimmer so I'm happy

There is a good thread on childbirth - music to give birth to - some are funny - torn and push-it! had to laugh!!!

Going to bed after my chores - knackered!

Rhumba · 09/11/2005 19:35

PC really sympathise as my washing machine has just died as well.even worse with clothes in it including feeding bras. Man coming on friday but think it's going to be condemed

Fingers crossed for lots of sleep for all those babies tonight!!

milward · 09/11/2005 19:47

evening all! another washing machine down - makes me nervous!! hope it can be fixed rumba plus good job yours its working again pc.

cabe - thanks. Just hope the smallest two don't get it. Plus could do with a rest. Well done for studying with a baby to look after - also Bompi.I did a study course after having dd3 for one year. Tough to find the time for the homework.
Sleep!! - jealous of those having more than 4hrs at a time! ds wakes to bf which is fine but is sometimes just awake at 4.30. I get up, have a coffee & snack to keep going. Wonder how I get to the schools sometimes with the others must look a fine mess.

jaydeelady · 09/11/2005 20:50

finally managed to get 2 out of 4 kids in bed, 2 to go. dh is now out again and i've got baby on my shoulder just dozing and ds1 watching the bill. peace reigns again even if it is only for a short while. tomorrow is first jabs day help.friday is contraception day. although family planning and what that leads to is the last thing on my mind!!!

boompi · 09/11/2005 22:21

RZ - the shh pat thing...
Do whole feed, burp, bath thing. Swaddle (tbh we dont we use grobag as think its too late to start swaddling at 9weeks) and then take them to room, dim lights and sit(not sway, rock, jiggle, walk etc) with them in your arms till calm and hopefully drowsy. (dd usually cries for some time at this stage) To calm them you shhh quite loudly and pat them on back - supposed to distract them from crying. You need to be patient it can take some time. Be confident.
Then put down in cot and continue to shh and pat on back with baby on side till totally calm. Continue for 5-10min after calmed down fully. If starts to cry (as opposed to fuss) pick up and back to beginning. Once asleep wait to be ready when they startle ~ 10 min or so to prevent them rewaking fully) Our dd does this so prevents me going back upstairs every 20 min - which is what we were doing for hours.

Took us 40 min tonight and she only cried not screaming

I dont know why she fights sleep but she does. I have also realised that she gets tired 1 1/4 hours after waking - not the 1 1/2 to 2 hours the books say so watch for tired cues and act fast. I think being overtired/overstimulated is a big problem. Oh and a hairdryer works when shes losing it!

I had blue babywhisperer book prebirth and found it very vague - white one is much better.

hth

mummyhill · 09/11/2005 22:42

Evening All - right where shall I start? Thyroid levels have come back high so am reducing dosage but this deffinatley means that its post natal depression and they have prescribed anti depressants howeve I am really uncertain about taking them does anyone know how liley they are to affect David as I am bf? Smug emoticon David went down after a feed at 8 last night and slept through till 5.40 am I however was still waking every three hours expecting him to wake for a feed. David has his checks and immunisations on the 23rd I am really not looking forward to it.

CONGRATULATIONs and welcome back to RZ glad Arianwen has arrived and that all is ok.

ANDIF - Huge hugs glad you and Nell are ok after your tumble.

LADYL - Can understand your frustration but on the plus side they can't be that worried if they are willing to postpone your appointment. You are not a bad mum and cannot be held responsible for your partners bad behaviour.

MILWARD - Hope your tribe feel better soon.

CABE - Glad I am not the only one with an attention seeking critter. Love the cat to bits however I could lock the cat flap on him some days as I am not sure which is worse, the cat, the 3 year old, DH or David.

BOOMPI - There is a hollow dummy you can get to put meds in, i got one from asda, it worked a treat with Nat when she was a baby and David seems to be taking well to one as well.

PICCADILLY - If you work out an efestive way to get rid of the fleas please let me know as our cat appears to of been playing with a hibernating hedgehog under the shed and we are now infested too. Frontline and programme seem to have no effect on him and I don't have time to fight with him to get the flea comb through his fur.

Right time for bed will try not to leave it so long between posts as it takes me ages to catch up with everyone. If i missed anyone I am sorry.

Cabe · 10/11/2005 00:53

Fleas immune to Frontline - shhhhh... don't tell the Warwickshire fleas, they'll all think they can get away with it can't stand the little buggers!

Sorry I don't have a clue about a way to rid your cat of hedgehog fleas... Are you sure they're not dog fleas as these differ from cat fleas in that they're a bit bigger and longer and a reddy/brown rather than black - Cat frontline won't work on dog fleas but don't be tempted to use dog flea treatment on your cat as I once heard this can be dangerous for them.

It's so difficult to know if you should get rid of them with nasty chemicals because of the close proximity of the little babes, If you can identify the kind of flea it is I guess you could spray your cat's sleeping place with relevant insecticide?

Perhaps you could talk to your vet...

Bizarre I know so much about fleas really!!!

KiwiKate · 10/11/2005 05:20

EVERYONE with more than two children - I don't know how you do it. I'm shattered with two! Although am hoping to do better on the sleep front soon [see below if interested in sleep ideas]

MILWARD - sending good health vibes to you

[KIWIFRUIT, when you get to NZ borrow the "sleepytime" video from Plunket - it has really helped me heaps. It shows ways to help baby sleep WITHOUT just leaving them to cry, which I understand is not recommended before about 10 months anyway]

SLEEP POST - Ignore if not interested in sleep topic - Just had the "Plunket Sleep Advisor" (kind of like your HV's, but advise solely on baby's not sleeping!). Felt like a bad mum not being able to get something so simple right! But it must be a big deal if they have a specially trained person to advise you on it. There were no such people around 2 and a half years ago when ds was born.

Boopmi - her suggestions are similar to your sshh/pat thing - but not quite as involved. The key is to look for tired signs (jerky movements, fixed gaze, grizzling, and one other which I cannot remember right now - usually by the time they cry they are overtired). She said that some babies can only take one hour awake before becoming tired. Trick is to pop them in bed at the first tired sign (those of you with toddlers will know it is true that an overtired child is more difficult to settle than one who just became sleepy). Her suggestion is calm them - this could be holding and rocking or any other technique that calms them. (Boompi - not sure why baby whisperer says don't rock at that stage - I find rocking Grace in my arms calms her enough to put down within about 20 seconds). Then put them in bed awake (this is the part I hate). If they fuss, rock the cot gently (if possible), or pat them or rub them. SSHHHH noises also help. Only pick them up if they are crying (avoids them getting a wind), calm them and put them back in the cot. Repeat until they sleep (if they get too upset try changing/feeding and start again). Apparently, this will teach them that when you put them in the cot it is time to sleep. It also helps them to go back to sleep without being held if they are disturbed in the night.

Personally, I've been rather against all of this and preferred to let Grace fall asleep on the breast then put her in bed. But she wakes about an hour later really upset, so my plan is just not working for me.

I followed the sleep advisor's advice this morning, and could really tell she (Grace, not the SA) was very tired, so just persevered with rocking her basinett every couple of minutes. She then had a good sleep. We just did it again now, and the rocking in bed phase was about a minute (as opposed to 40 minutes on and off earlier in the day). She grizzled a little, but didn't even get to the crying phase! [relieved mummy icon] and has now been sleeping for an hour, which is good for her for daytime.

She also fights sleep, but I am hoping that this will teach her it is ok to let go. I think I have been disturbing her sleep patterns by picking her up too much when she cried. I always thought she was crying because she wanted to be held/fed. But now looking out for the tired signs, I see that she is crying from being tired.

The sleep advisor assures me that sleep promotes sleep. So if she sleeps well in the day, then she should sleep better in the night. I see this with my toddler, who at 2.5yo sleeps 2 to 3 hours in the afternoon, then 10 to 12 hours at night. If he has no afternoon sleep then nighttime is very disturbed and he'll sleep no more than 6 or 7 hours.

I hope all this helps someone out there.

PiccadillyCircus · 10/11/2005 09:38

mummyhill - just wanted to say that I am taking ADs (sertraline also known as lustral) and breast feeding and it is fine.

Not sure the cat has the fleas any more as they all seem to be wanting to eat me only....

DS didn't wake up until after 8:30 . Being in a bed (now we have got a bedguard) seems to be good.

Alice woke at 1:15 (just wanted cuddles), mice woke me at 2:30, Alice fed at 3:15....but then we all slept until 7

jaydeelady · 10/11/2005 09:38

morning everyone. very interested in your sleep ideas, baby is a peach here and baby massage isa good thing to calm them and get them ready for sleep. the only problem here is that she wants this when all the others want feeding or clubs or taxi service or homework or physio (no 3 has physical disability) so sometimes she has to cry for what feels like ages before she gets any attention. this goes completely against my principles and breaks my heart to hear her cry
not having a good day today, feeling very low still and unhappy with life, still battle on i suppose x

jaydeelady · 10/11/2005 09:40

ps who or what is the baby whisperer?

KiwiKate · 10/11/2005 09:58

Just remembered some other tired signs: clenching fists, yawning (duh!), rubbing eyes, rubbing/pulling own hair.

JAYDEELADY - sounds like you have heaps going on. As I said earlier, I am barely coping with two kids. I really admire people like you who have more. Take heart, it is a very emotional time, and I know you want to spend time to enjoy your baby, but other demands interfere. Take care. Sending you cyber-hugs and happy thoughts
xx

pooka · 10/11/2005 10:04

I certainly believe that sleep breeds sleep Kiwikate. DD also has 2.5 hour nap in the afternoon, sleeping 11hours ish overnight as well.
To all flea sufferers - we're in the same boat. Wretched things. Actually saw one hop into Tom. Then killed it. Have tried frontline and frontline plus. To no avail.

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jaydeelady · 10/11/2005 10:09

Thanks Kiwikate, your hugs and best wishes mean a lot!,

LadyLazarus · 10/11/2005 10:33

All went well with the SW, she's not coming any more .

KF - just saw yur post about meeting up in Starbucks, sorry! I will let you know what's happening next week. Where did you meet the other mums?

Re the bedtime routine, I must say the feed, change, bath and then stories on the sofa for 30mins seems to wind her down, and then when she's still awake but looking sleepy, i put her in the basket and do the 'bedtime story' (over and over again if need be!!!). This, and the dummy, seems to get her off, although some nights it takes up to an hour. Not always at the same time each night, but seems to be working so not complaining!