FESH Spa & Creche: Plenty more FESH in the brie

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Welcome all those with aching scars, undercarriages, eyelids and limbs. Find comfort here. Menfolk barred.

polly I hear you. I spent another night (from 2am) on the sofa again. :( Bear has a temperature and the shits so although is happy enough in himself, is obviously not in tip-top shape. And let's not even start on the nappies - although I'll have to come back to that for FESH wisdom. So when I sleep on the sofa, he lies parallel to me in his lie-down chair thing so that his face is next to mine and he can hold my hand. I will have to insist that we get a bed for the spare room asap. I'm trying to get in early nights - i.e., bed before 9:30 - but when I asked jb what the time was - he said 1:30 and I'd already been up half a dozen times. :( Woman cannot survive on coffee alone. Bear also had the bath-sensor - I really need a shower right now and although he is currently sleeping - er, due to not sleeping last night! you can bet your life the minute I turn the taps on I'll hear "waaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH".

curly I'm going to call the restaurant today and book us a table, will let you know asap.

FESH wisdom required please. OK, he's in size 4 and we rarely get leaks out the side, but we're having explosions up the back. This morning I actually cut off a vest with scissors and binned it because I just couldn't face yet again dragging poo all over the back of his head/back/shoulders. Am I putting this nappy on wrong? Is the size wrong? Is it just explosive poos (he's got the shits right now) or am I a bad mummmmeeeeee?

I think if you aren't getting leaks they are probably the right size. I defy any nappy that fastens round the waist, as opposed to, say, the neck, to resist the tide of poonami

curls sadly am no longer bilingual, when we moved back to the uk, my parents tried to speak dutch at home but it didn't really work so I lost most of it.

Artie has his first afternoon with the CM tomorrow as a settling in session, I am off to get my hair done, hurrah!

Can't help with the nappies alpro sorry, but I don't blame you for cutting off the vest!

QQ any of the june or early july babies up on their feet? Rastus won't nap in his cot any more, preferring to stand against the bars and shout. Anyone got any advice about discouraging this tiresome behaviour? He is tired, but seems not to be able to help himself

Have a look on the sleep topic CU I'm sure there was a thread about that recently, I think it's becuase it's a new skill and they need to pracitce it even though it's deeply frustrating for them (and you!)

We've just had a horrible morning at A&E. Just before JB got home from work he puked on himself, I took his temp and it was 39.3 - phoned the doc who said "don't worry I'll call you because I'm too busy to take any more appointments today". So, I took him to A&E where he was rushed up to paediatrics straight away and we have a diagnosis of gastroenteritis. We seem to be doing everything "right" and he's cooled down a little - earlier he was literally hot to the touch and was tomato coloured. He's not too dehydrated but we need to get some ORS (Oral Rehydration Solution) in to him.

The GP can suck my metaphorical dick as he's just lost a 3-person family contract of private health insurance, I'm getting a doctor who can find time to see a baby with a temp over 39!

oh dear, Alps, sounds like a tough day.

Alps that is shite. Hope Bear makes a speedy recovery. I can't believe the doctor wouldn't find the time. Our doctor is pretty good when it comes to children and babies and I have always been seen the same day.

I spoke with Moo yesterday and she is surviving, just a bit busy with stuff - I am sure she will fill you in next week at our big FESH meet.

Peppa has found her voice and sounds like what I think a pteradactyl would sound like.

Cunts maybe just keep lying him down and repeat to fade to get him to nap. He clearly is pleased with himself and his new found skill

Pol bah! to early morning wakings.

Oh alps that sounds horrible/scary. Hope the wee man gets better soon. at doctor. Like okie we've always been seen the same day with Squeaks. Cheers re lunch booking - will FB you. I agree with CU re nappies. As long as they are not leaking down the legs everytime, they should be ok. And you are dealing with extreme circs.

cunty, We have a similar thing since Squeaks started crawling/climbing/trying to learn to sit up herself (next step standing, I expect). She goes down ok at night, mostly. But, usually at the afternoon nap, we,ve had to do exactly what Okie said, Lift her from on her knees at the bottom of the cot, to on her back at the top. It usually works eventually, but on a couple of occasions I've spent two and a half hours trying to get her to go down. Yesterday we had an hour of replacing her, a period of extreme crying, another go, and then I got her up for a bit. I took her for a walk around the village, and a go on the baby swings briefly, then came home and put her down again. Thankfully that seemed to work. So my approach is definitely try again and again for a set period of time (hour), then do an activity, then try again.

On the other hand, this morning she went down for an hour and three quarters when she usually has half an hour, and had over an hour this afternoon. We've had her outside a lot (sun shade has arrived, just waiting for giant german cattle play pen). And she was at mums and tots this morning, which always tires her out.

Thanks to her cooperation and SFF kindly taking her to the group, I got to spend a lot of my morning in bed, instead of at work. Rest is good, but drugs would be better. I have to wait another few weeks to be assessed for the supposed wonder drugs. Then I have to wait for that to go through (funding bid) then I should start with the injections. Apparently they take 2 weeks to 3 months to work. So I expect to be better by... well... Christmas?

have fun at the hairdresser cossie

Blimey Alps that does sound worrying. Like the other our docs will always see small children on the same day....in fact they keep a number of appointments clear first thing for this type of thing. When LC had the pox she was in and out of there within 15 mins of us calling. Hope the V&D stops pronto and you're getting the support you need from JB.

Glad you got some rest Curly - fecking annoying you have to wait so bleedin' long for the drugs, assuming you get them. Fingers crossed the funding bid gets approved.

Can't offer any practical advice Tues except to say that the one thing that works in the end is perseverence - most useless snippet of information, I know, but when you're dealing with a battle of wills it's the only thing you can do. Perhaps Honeymoo can offer some nuggets of wisdom on this when she's back.

Bloody hell Alps, what a day you've had. How is Bear now? We ended up in A&E when Boo had gastroenteritis - she had the shits for nearly 3 weeks. I hope the little mite gets better soon.

Glad you got some rest but shame the drugs will take so long. I know I am a bit obsessed blinkered, but have you thought about trying acupuncture? It has really good results with RA. Might be worth a try?

Ooh, sainsbo's van on drive - best get off my arse.

Alps hope your Bear is on the mend! Wasn't expecting that, but then I doubt you were either. Stoopid dr not wanting to see a baby with that temperature Reading. Good on ya for the dash to A&E! What's scary is sone other mother would have that response from the quack and would be at home with a very ill baby when she should be getting urgent medical attention. Keep us posted.

Plz plz plz to tell me how it's possible to know if MBs new night time routine is teething or he is ready to wean? Last night 1115 he woke crying when I went to bed but he self soothed and went off again, 130 as he poo'd and was crying so I nudged HI to change him and he did, then put White noise on and he snoozed again, next wake up yell was at 245- then nothing would soothe and he kept arching for boob but I think for comfort so we hit the Calpol and White Noise. Eventually he fell asleep abot 345. I could not and was wide awake. He then woke us up again at 645. He's got really red cheeks this morning. Any ideas?

hello everyone, thank you all so much for your concern. It seems that yesterday morning was the height of illness and he slept much better last night - obviously being a mum it was me who was up 15 times but it wasn't as bad as it has been. He's still eating everything served, drinking all his milk, drinking his juice and his rehydration stuff. He's still got shiny eyes and a glossy coat and was cantering around the paddock earlier.

The doctor, believe it or not, phoned us literally 5 minutes ago and said he'd "only just heard". Which is odd, given that I heard him in the background yesterday discussing the case with his receptionist... I still can't quite believe they couldn't squeeze in a 5 minute appointment to see a sick baybee. Last summer when this guy was on holiday we went to the clinic who was covering him as an emergency appointment (oral thrush) and they were really nice, a 3 doctor practice and a shrink (good for mum! ). I checked their website last night and as luck would have it they're taking on new patients right now, so that's us off. He gave us an emergency appointment 3 weeks ago and we are not neurotic parents phoning the surgery every 2 days. He's a fucking nob anyway, he used to be the team doctor for one of the Dutch footie teams so now he thinks he's a fucking god amongst doctors. Although I heard a joke recently along the lines of "what do you call the worst medical student from the worst medical school? Doctor" and I've met some thick as mince medical students in my time. He's not thick, he's just fucking rude.

silv Sounds like teeth - on the hand, "most" of us weaned by now time-wise and unfortunately there are no concrete signals. MB is unlikely to write a letter saying "Dear Mummy, Pls to give grub?, love MB". All you can do with any form of parenting is to wing it and try not to kill the baybee. (Fine job so far obv.!)

Hello lovely ladies. I think that was the longest spell ever away from Mumsnet!!! I have been trying to keep up, but failing and had no time or energy to post anything remotely coherent or interesting.

Alps - I hope you're little one is feeling much better. That sounds horrible and scary. I'm really looking forward to meeting him and you next week!!!

You've probably seen the FB updates about the sleep guru. FINALLY we have progress and a baby that sleeps through the night from last night. 11-7. yep he's done it. I never thought I'd be resorting to a strict Gina style routine, or controlled crying but we had to. Iw as on last legs and unable to function, arguing non stop with Mr Moo and getting angry when I was woken for the 3rd time each night. I can't believe how quickly it worked, and actually even at 7am he's not starving. He was using me to get back to sleep - and I thought he was hungry. I know it's not for everybody, but god Iit bloody works! The first night was hard and he did cry for an hour but I was actually expecting worse and all night to be honest. And last night he gurgled for 5 minutes at 4am before bedding down until 7. I literally am a new woman. Can you tell????

Anyway sorry to be brief and me, me, me but wanted to tell you all and bring a large bottle of voddy round along with some cupcakes to make up for being a shit lurker for ages.

Alps glad bear is doing ok (does he has a sweaty nose too? Apparently that is a sign of a healthy dog?)

Silv not sure? I think we sometimes read into things a bit too much though. He could have just had a bad nights sleep? Too much on his mind or summat? I have them every now and then. FWIW mini oke dribbled and had red cheeks for 18 months from about 6 mths old and first tooth came through at 8 months. The dribbling continued until most teeth were through.

Moo that really is great news! I am so pleased and hopefully you will be feeling a lot more energised and ready to take on the world. I agree that CC is not for everyone and it is bloody hard as a mother instinct is to go to her child however (like I said to you on the phone) there are times when I just physically have not been able to get to Peppa when she howls like the times when I have put her to bed and I am bathing mini oke. Most times by the time get to her she has stopped and she is asleep. My rule of thumb is if she is fed, clean and feeling tip top (when they are ill I don't believe you should let them cry) then she is crying because she wants to sleep. I don't feeling emotionally scarred from having been left to cry a few times when I was a baby. Well done you.

silv sounds like teeth, red cheeks always a sign. Waking is nothing to do with weaning, and I have found it has made him worse as he keeps waking up to fart! not saying don't try, just it's not a magic answer.

glad it's worked for you moo

Explain how to get kid back to sleep when he needs you to get back to sleep? I always capitulate and feed him in bed next to me, but i would love not to have to do that. If it is a relatively quick process i may do it this weekend, after we've been on our TUC rally waving placards and hollering ourselves hoarse to save our maternity and A&E services

I either feed or hold him in cradle hold and pat his back firmly. DH rocks him.

Cunty I am truly amazed at how quick it has been. But it's not just a matter of leaving him to cry. I've got to do the routine to the letter in the day, so that he is set up for the night in terms of feeds and naps. I've got to say, it's not for the faint hearted but I knew it was getting worse as we'd gone from 1 wake up at 3 to several during the night, half hearted feeds most of the time, and not even remotely hungry at 7am. We were absolutely fucked with tiredness and he was running us ragged. It was my fault for allowing him to feed to sleep in the night all the time and of course he needed me to do it. Anyway, one night later and he doesn't now. I think Rastus is pretty similar to babymoo as you know he CAN self settle but he's out of the habit in the night. They don't need it, that's what has shocked me. this morning he really wasn't starving at 7 even - having gone from 11pm through the night. At over 20lbs he was well able to do this.. It's more me that needed to get my head around the fact that I was making it worse. Happy to tell you what she told me next weds and you can decide for yourself.

Sorry I also meant to say, that yes he needs you to fall asleep now, but in doing one or two days of controlled crying he won't need you anymore. It IS hard and I cried non stop when he howled for 20 minutes at lunchtime, but now he goes straight off...

I on the other can't do what Cos does as rocking makes situation worse. As soon as she is back down in cot the wailing starts again. I have to do a bit of quick Pick up/Put down and leave going in for longer intervals with a but of CC.

Thinking about it though don't you think it is all about what they are used to in getting them back to sleep? For instance baby moo would wake, was fed and went back to sleep. Artie wakes is fed or rocked and that is what gets him back to sleep. Peppa is crys a little (or sometimes is picked up/put down) and goes back to sleep, Rastus is fed = goes back to sleep, some have their dummies put back in. Any change to what we are all doing will eventually work, they just need to learn that this is now the NEW way they will go back to sleep. It will take a bit of time (some longer than others) but they should get it in the end. I think as long as you are prepared to stick to changing the routine and not send confusing signals by going back to the old way they will get it in the end

See for me, I don't think CC would work as when he's crying, nothing consoles him other than being picked up and cuddled, and I don't hink you can do that with CC? It just shows every baby is different. For us, the patting or rocking works really quickly, under 5 mins most times, sometimes under 1 min.

You are right Okie, you do need to stick to the new routine or they will get very confused.

Hmmm i don't have control of his routine any more during the days so no good impementing that bit. Must be more firm at night though. I'm too much for the quiet life me

Well you do CU in that you can as his CM to keep to a routine you have in place.

I do know what you mean though, too often I allow him to suckle back to sleep when I know he doesn't need feeding, and I'm just doing it to stop the 3 or 4 mins of crying that ensues if I don't let him.