FESH Spa & Creche - The Messiah is late - 'e's a very naughty boy!

[AlpinePony]

2010 - the best year of my life, for half of it I was pregnant and for the other half had my baybee.

I must add that I have never had any success using the pick up put down method. I find if I go into the room it often makes the situation worse although I realise I have to go in to the room to check that ma babyee is not hanging out of the cot or covered in vom.

Happy New Year, all! Welcome to new FESHes!

Sorry for radio silence of late, am crap. More about how crap soon....bout of mummy-guilt and can also relate to partner-hatred atm....which is grossly unfair as TSF is lovely and I am just crap and crabby and ungrateful. But otherwise...! Proper post tomorrow when TSF on Clint Duty.

Am just finished feeding her again, just over an hour after the last time.. V annoying.. She doesn't eat this often in the day...

okie haven't tried any sleep training, may have to try that as next step.. Not gonna leave her to cry tho..

alps I haz had wine tonight. It helps.

Thanks FESHlets xx

Hi VAG!!!!!!!!!! Come back soon...... And bring gin!!!!

igglepiggle I'm afraid I don't have any useful advice except I've had my fair share of traumatic nights and will prob continue to do so. Am sure you've cruised the sleep boards for help already! Thing is what works for one baybee doesn't always work for another ! Worth checking that her room/yr room/baybee herself is not too hot or too cold tho suspect you've done this!!

iggy Is it perhaps a feeding issue rather than a sleep issue? With the result being a sleep issue I mean. If so, how's it going with the expressing/husband giving last bottle of night? Did you ever see one of those lacation consultants?

(Personally I don't think they have anything to be taught whereby the information can't be found online/in books - but I know a lot of people rave about them. IMO they're more affirmation than information.)

I'm not leaving Bear to cry, a little snuffle/whimper is OK - but even so I'll go in to the room, stroke his hair and tell him it's OK. Proper crying, he gets picked up and cuddled and walked until he's smiling and calm again. I iz clearly soft touch and will have problem child.

This thread needs much more BUMSEX - and it does look as though the violence is turning more in to "tips & tricks to injure your life parter" type thing.

Warning warning warning: polly/boxer/okie/rots/MrsFC and any other 2nd timer I've forgotten. Was chatting to a colleague yesterday who said that whenever baby started crying they brought both in to bed. As a result the children are now 5 and 8 and still co-sleeping! Where does it end? When they start bringing home partners/kebabes/beer breath to bed?

Oh and rah for VAG. PLs to explain violence directed at TSF? Whatever happened to our commune plans anyway? At one point there were brief discussions about a big house somewhere with no men.

alps I have had a moment of clarity! I guess the tiredness wasn't making me think straight... At 3am, I fed her from both sides (she usually falls asleep after 10 mins proper drinking on one side) - woke her up for the second side, as result got sleep for 3 hours! So is def a food issue partly... On the other hand, there is a bit of a sleep issue anyway... I don't always feed her to sleep, but she needs me to be there doing something... I don't have to pick her up, but she needs my hand on her, so got to work on that maybe...

I think she is a hungry girl at the mo... Going to try to up the daytime feeds and work on the weaning too.

Of course am still fucking knackered after 3. Hrs sleep

Own room made no difference to her, but I slept better!

Any more thoughts/ advice welcome!

alps sorry, meant to answer you! The bottle feeding never worked for me, so never really tried!

If I need a nap (or he does) during the day, I have him in his recliner parallel to the sofa and I hold his hand. Likewise if at night he's finding it difficult to sleep I'll hold his hand through the bars in the cot. Obviously you're going to have to have very long arms for that trick! I really think a fully tummy will help, so yes, make her eat until she barfs! But very glad to hear that at least you slept better! :)

Well following our fucking horrendous month where it's got to the point we're joking about waking up with tumours - I have just dropped the dogs off at kennels. I can now see the light at the end of the tunnel. Got to have a quick whizz around town - get my roots done - omg how can I possibly have roots on display? Do 17 loads of washing, pack bags, pack car, attempt to put address in sat nav, make packed lunch, throw out funky smelling ham joint from fridge etc., etc. But I can almost smell the gluhwein!

Personally I think feeding on demand is great - at first! But it is not a long-term solution so please don't make a martyr of yourself iggy. When she's 5, she can (presumably) expect breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner - and that's "just the way things are". I don't think it's too early to "encourage" a more formal eating routine at all - your health is very important in all of this. Obviously if she's hungry you'll feed her - you're not some dragon woman (I don't think) - but at the same time maybe it's a good idea to start writing down e.g.,
6am 2 boobs,
10am 1 boob + fruit,
1pm 2 boobs,
4:30pm organic fava beans with a little chianti,
7:45pm 1 boob,
11pm 2 boobs dream feed.

You can but try - after all, 'tis only your sanity! Also of course if you can get in to a more structured way of working then you'll have for example the gap between 1pm and 7:45pm to be "iggy" again - go ride the horse, run around the park with the dog, march down Regent Street smashing tourists out of the way with your Harvey Nicks bags. You deserve TLC too.

Oh, I hold her hand through the cot bars... I wake up with a dead arm...

hehe, yes and a dislocated shoulder!

I second what alps says. I believe totally in a structured feeding programme after the initially couple of months of supply establishing. I feed every three hours during the day, and wake to feed if I have too in order to get enough in to see us through the. Of course growth spurts have to be accommodated but generally I am a 3 hour rule person and I never allow Peppa to sleep through a daytime feed time. Iggs I feel for you as lack of sleep is bad for any womans sanity and youthful good looks.

I have killed a thread where women are discussing how shocking a 4 hr labour is - apparently some of them felt out of control and some felt cheated. They wanted to know how to make subsequent labours feel less 'too fast', I told them a 42 hr labour will make a 4hr labour seem like a breeze.

Will be back to offer support later. Have to go hunting now, for my sanity!

Wahey VAG and Iggy!!!! Soz that you are both having a pants time of it. January sucks anyway, so bound to make you feel worse on top of general sleep deprivation.

Sorry if the following does not take into account all previous posts, but am on a time limit!

Iggy I totally feel for you. We have had mainly feeding on demand until literally the last week or so and I know how exhausting and desperate you must feel.PArticulalry, when like us the baby won't take a bottle. All of a sudden Babymoo now seems to cope with 3-4 hours but it is a vicious circle as when I am knackered I don't have the energy to do the things that make sure he does get naps at the right times in order to feed well. I basically take him out at 9-10 and 1130 until 1430 and 4-5 in the buggy to sleep if he doesn't look like he's going to go down and that way I KNOW he will wake up hungry. Then we do distraction stuff - mobiles etc - until it is time for sleep. If I stay indoors all day he refuses to nap properly and it is far harder for him and me and then by the time bedtime comes between 5 and 7 we have a nightmare on our hands. It's non-stop but it is getting better now as we have had 3 nights of between 11 and 4.20, 3am and last night we left him sleep from 7-12 and then 12.30 until 5.30 (best night ever). So it seems that everyone was right and once we started getting on track with the 3 hour feeding things did fall into place a bit more.

We also moved him into own room at Xmas and this did make a huge difference to the quality of our sleep - i.e. none at all, to snatches of a few hours.

Alps I did chuckle about fogetting baby. We opened a really nice bottle of wine last night and 10 minutes in realised neither of us had brought the monitor in from kitchen. Oops.

So 2 of the good nights over the last few days we have given him formula - only 60-80ml at bedtime supplemented by boob. Can't work out whether this is helping or not. It makes him so bloody windy that it is quite a hassle but I'm sort of scared to change it. We might just do boob tonight as we are going round to Okies for first proper civilised (I pray) dinner out with baybees upstairs!! I am verh verh excited and trying to make sure Babymoo is all set for bedtime later with strict routine today. Might leave bottle at home so her family don't have to experience first hand screaming as Babymoo asserts his will of iron. Last niht the only way we could distract him enough to drink was to get me bouncing him in the chair and Mr Moo dancing stupidly. I mean FFS.

Today we are also training the dog not to jump on the baybee in his playgym and nick the mobile toys. I love my dog.

Alps have a fucking great holiday you beattttchhhhh. :)

Now listen, I'm not saying my child is lined up for Mensa membership or anything, but i have thought for some time that he knows we watch him through the video monitor on account of us often finding him staring up at it and grinning. Now i find he has a propensity to shuffle down the cot so he is no longer in view. All i see is his cow comforter. Can still hear him wittering to himself though so he hasn't outsmarted me yet!

Does anyone ever get bored of picking up the baby monitor and sending the message "Bear, this is your mother" in their best Darth Vader voice?

box I would kill to go off riding. Who looks after the chillun'? Really wanted to ride but no childcare. HI has said I can ride tmw. Hate having to have permission! Hoss is never gonna get fit ESP as sharer not around til mid Feb.

Snooze update, last night MB went to bed about 730. He'd fed about 5, then bathed about 6 and I fed him again after his bath - s'pose sort of dream feed, and he slept til 1 and had a feed and then woke again at 530ish so not bad and cos we went to bed just after 9 cos we were super knackered we also got some proper z's in!

honey&cokie have lovely evening. Have a gin for me.

HIs sister is coming over tmw which will be challenging nice.

Same here cunty. The first time she did it she was also very silent and I woke up and thought she had vanished. Ran through while half asleep to find her squished up nicely at the bottom. But she's also good at crabbing up the cot. Decided to mount the camera on the wall today, so there is no escape

And yes, Alps, SFF has done the Darth thing several times. Hope you have a great holiday.

Well, it's been a weird day. Two separate hours of inconsolable hysterics. But she also took her first proper lunch, accompanied by milk from a spouted cup. My big girl!

Sounds like you had a decent night silv - good stuff.

Tonight we have agreed that we definitely can (just) afford for me to work a four-day week. Squeaks will be in nursery two days, and with her dad for two. I get Wednesdays and weekends. That's all assuming the deal gets signed and sealed by nursery owner this week. I am SO relieved.

Right, off to try and find something that isn't shite on telly while all other creatures of this household are either in bed or in the pub.

alps have a great holiday. And Honey and Okes, hope you are having a great night!

Well done Curly on the lunch and the childcare... what an achievement!

Silver good news on sleeps... your nights sound pretty similar to ours now.

Well well Okie and Mr Cokie did themselves proud last night. Food was amazing and v v impressive (beef welly and tirumisu - where does she find the time???????) and they are lovely hosts. Was slightly stressful getting ourselves ready adn Babymoo was hungry and fractious when we got there at 6, but went down at 7 and stayed that way until 1130 or midnight I think. In fact he didn't make a bloody squeak and I couldn't believe it. I had 3 (or ok maybe 4) glasses of wine and probably talked far too much after what feels like 7 zillion years of not having had a few drinks out. It were lush. Feels like we have definitely turned that corner FINALLY!

Got a wake up call at 420 and again at 630 but didn't mind and both times he went off easily and we all lay in until 830ish and then he came into bed with mum and we played on my iphone. Amazingly I even got him to hold out until 10am. He's just conked out now after no nap this morning so need to adjust lunchtime one accordingly. Which probably means he'll be cranky later but hey ho. what a lovely weekend...

Have a good one all, off to lie down no doubt for 15 minutes...

Sounds like a fab night moo and okie. Not at all jealous...

Hope you manage a restful day hon.

Alps :o at Darth Vader. We don't have a monitor - house too small to need one - but I would if I had one.

Which reminds me. LG should have a bedroom of his own by June. We have a builder for our extension at last!

Silv, OH has daddy-time with the kids while I play ponies. I think he is banking goodwill for when he wants to play cricket in the summer. Also Clucky and I are plotting to baby share in order to get more riding time this summer for both of us.

Just back from out of hours doctors with LG. He sadly has his father's constitution, and got an ear infection plus wheezy chest. If I had a baby monitor it would be him doing the Vader impression at me, I think!