June '05 mummies 4 - the one where the babies get bigger and we get smaller!

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one new thread just for you lynny!!

lol Mrs W great idea hunny

as for your ds asking questions i think he just trying to understand in own way i will have that with william when i explain about my mum i know it makes you sad hunny try and distract him with something or can you help mummy thats might help.

Welcome back Mrs F lovely to see you, im gald your all settled in bournmouth hope you are happy there all our babies are getting bigger now lol we had ameet in sheffield on tuesday great time.

right im off have a lovely weekend mums i know i am spend all that time with my baby boy and hubby what more can i want xxxxxx lol maybe bring you all back a stick of rock e bye gum lmao

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evening all,
Unfortunately, I have to report another trying day on the Lua household....stroppy toddler and crying baby!

Lummox, RHM, I have a few hypothesis:

1. Aliens have exchanged our somewhat well-behaved babies all of sudden!
   2)I'm too afraid of having him crying because of DD. thus, offering breast too easily...
   This evening a made a short exoeriment on that. We are still adjusting out double kid sleep routine, and DS was clearly exhausted while I was still bathing DD. So I decide to try to put him down on his own in the cot. I wanted to see how it felt 5 minutes of crying, and it would be enough to send him off. He went quiet at about 3 mins, but started again when DD started... Anyway, when I went to him by 4.5 min. he was clearly desperate`to sleep, eyes closed but sobbing. gave him the pinky instead of feeding him and pulled out before he was asleep. He's been asleep since! about 3 hours, which is record for this week! Not sure if him going off on his own did the trick, or not feeding is a good thing?

2. He is too cold. I've been wondering this and MrsW question renew my worries... He has been sleeping on sleep suit and 2.5 tog grobag. His hands are icicles,but his neck seems okay...[clueless emoticon]

3. I'm too tired - giving in to co-sleeping - thus, feeding too often again...

4. He is too hungry - needs solid. I am doing some research on this and evidence is mixed on whethersolidswould help if this isthe problem... So I will hold on trying this for anther week at least.

Anyway, wishing all a good 4 hour asleep at least!

MrsF - Good to "see" you back! Glad the movewent really well!

Tea - DS will certainly like a big girl! He will probably be a rugby player himself,as the northener gals might attest.
I am also loving to hear the stories from my future sil , I'll make sure to remind him myself at the wedding day

BTW, I am also a supporter of the north/south meet! It is time the kids meet

Sfxmum -I'm with you! I already order the "Done that, will chain my kids if they try it" t-shirt!

Jonah - Felt so bad hearing your difficulties getting home! I'm really sorry I couldn't fit the third baby in the car . I actually had to wait for 45 min for dh to arrive, as he was caught on the same crazy traffic.
LOL at me! when you said driver was talking about "Snip" I wasreally confused thinking he was talking about his circuncision!

MrsW - Sorry about your DS insensitive remarks. I think the only remedies are to ignore, and distract away from the topic.

Hi ya all
Had a quick catch up read, all very exciting really !!!with talk of tests , diamonds and sleepless nights, well maybee not the sleepless nights.
LUA you poor thing i thought i had it bad, there is no routine happening here either last week baby slept till nearly 5am but now back up 3 times a night again.

This morning after 4 hours sleep i was back asleep and hubby woke baby and i in bed together up to say goodbye. Baby started screaming and that was it, now both overtired and grumpy, could have killed him.

Lynny-i'm sure it's just your hormones, but good luck.

Am i the only one not having sex, I'm trying but it doesn't feel the same down there, i got stiched inside and now it really hurts to try.
I feel like an impotent person!!!
wondering if i should go back to doctor or something?

just a quick one....

can't believe I remembered in the night s omething I forgot to post....hmm

anyway on the bottle battle...a mum told me that whoever is giving the bottle to wear yr dressing gown and make sure it's EBM then the only change is the bottle...she said it worked for her.

Lua - sooo glad it's not only me. Ds woke at his usual 1, 3, 5, 7 routine. I know he can't possibly need to feed this often. I'm struggling too with the double put down, how can I possibly put 2 kids to bed successfully on my own??

Anyway, I've been pondering getting all kids ready for bed t hen doing the baby first but this has been blown out the water by his not going down......I also thought should try and do the rousing thing when I'm home for day naps to see if this helps.......

Hi Uki (and everyone else, obviously).

Like the theories, Lua. ds is our first, so not got your dual bedtime problem. Aliens a definite possibility over here.

For us it has come down to three possibilities -
1 teeth - he is still teething, and i can start to feel little lumpy bits on his gum, but no teeth yet. I don't think he is in a lot of pain or anything, but think the discomfort makes him surface from sleep and not be able to go down again.
2 feeding too often. i think we might have got into a cycle where i feed him too often (haven't got another child as an excuse, but at night i feel so knackered that i want to feed him as soon as he starts to snurk, then put him down as soon as he has had enough to stop crying). that means that he isn't taking enough at each feed - he only feeds for about 5 minutes per night feed.
3 he needs solids. i'm also totally confused about this one - have bought some baby cereal but can't quite bring myself to give it to him yet. Then I get an awful feeling that this might all be because he is hungry and think I should have started already.

More generally, i notice that a lot of the info says that you should wait longer if your baby was premature. ds was two weeks early, but weighed 7lb 12 oz, and hasn't been poorly at all, so does anyone know if he counts as premature?

Also some of the weaning stuff says doubling birthweight means that are ready. ds a real chubster (18lb 6 at 18 weeks) might that mean he is ready now.

Sorry to waffle on about ds so much - haven't got an ante-natal group out here in France and am allergic to health visitors, so you guys are performing a valuable social service.

2 weeks doesn't count as premmie dd1 was 3 weeks early and she was always compared to a full term baby

morning sll
ok night in this house. looking forward for tomorrow when i get my extra sleep in the morning.dh gets sunday.

lua and rhm- sorry about your nights. and my plans for second baby waver a bit...
lua love the t- shirt idea.

oh btw a couple of weeks back when dd was really unsettled and feeding every hr or so i got so zombie tired i wasnt sure when or if i fed her. but the upside was that i realised that just a cuddle and put down was at times enough. dh role in this was very important. think they smell the milk and want comfort even when not needing feed. hard to work it when 2 around i know.
really hope things improve

mrsW- you know kids also respond to your reaction, no matter how hard you try to desguise it. maybe another interesting fact about granparents presented in upbeat manner. preferably slightly naughty possibly embarassing one- sorry i know it really upsets you but he has no concept at all.

uki- hi, most unhelpful dh clearly in need of some punishment.
do see doctor also try to relax and maybe try the old ky

Morning all,
I've jst been speaking to the sleep lady about ds deciding to introduce himself a cheeky extra feed at 11ish ie. was he hungry? Does he need solids?
She said that as he's 4 months, putting on weight well and not taking too much at this feed nutritionally she doubts that he needs it. She advised me again to feed him briskly if he wakes then - 5 mins or so - not to the point where he falls asleep and to put him down awake. She said I should do the same with the 1am feed if he's not feeding ravenously then either. So that's tonight's plan.
Don't know if that helps anyone - I just can't get back into the waking every 2 1/2 hours business.
Lummox, Lua and RHM - She also said that at 4 months they are starting to make associations, they can learn quite quickly. I think we might need to be a bit stricter - it's so hard I know as bosoms are so convenient but I really want ds to learn good sleep habits (exasperated icon)
I've been talking to some friends about the double put down too. Apparently this gets easier once they hit 6 months and can snuggle up and take an interest in stories. I think at the moment I'd try to bath them together and tell dd a story while I gave ds his final feed, put him down (wailing if necessary) and then see to her, going back to him if he hadn't settled by the time I'd finished her. Luckily she goes down very easily every night.
This is all great in theory -but bear in mind I've just told dh he can't go away on a week long business trip as I don't want to be left to do it all myself - ha Bless him he agreed and withdrew from the plans.

morning all!
yawn! Ok, it is definetely not hunger! We were awake a couple of times this evening where just nothing would pacify him. Not even the good old booby. We just had to let him cry... the only good news is that we learned he can scremed the house down and DD won't wake up...
I think teething and cold remains as the top hypothesis for now...

anyhoo...

Lynny - how are you?!?! Do let us know you are Ok ! keeping my fingers crossed for you!

Uki - No, you are not the only one... I wouldn't actually know if it hurts.... I think I will have to start dating DH again once we recovered from all the recent crazyness.

Welshie - So glad you grounding your husband too... I did the same with my husband after one very stressful night he was away. But I feeling bad for it. Now I don't feel so unreasonable. Thanks!

Morning ladies,

A good first night following Welshie's sleep lady's advice, but I shall post about it ici in a moment.

Lua, sounds like a rotten evening, only blessing being it didn't wake dd up as well. Poor you. Neither you nor Welshie should feel bad for grounding your husbands, imagine if you announced you were swanning off on a business trip for a week. (Obv there would be some breastfeeding difficulties, but even so).

lummox, agree with Katz, 2 weeks is considered full-term so don't worry about that. Solids - I am going to start on rice rather than cereal, but that's because of dh's wheat problems. Hadn't heard the thing about double the birthweight, ds has a way to go on that as he was such a porker at birth but then we have a month before we can start anyway.

Uki, lovely to see you back! Husb needs a severe beating when he gets home.

These cold hands of our babies, it is a worry, isn't it? But as long as they feel warm on the neck/chest, I think they're probably okay. Still mostly swaddling ds with his hands in, but I can see that day is coming to an end soon.

Lynny, best of luck. I should have said earlier, my second period after Toby was born was completely erratic, kept 'almost' starting and then backing off again for a few days.

sfx, lovely that you got a ring with family associations.

MrsW, I will let you have Brad, as that means I get the delightful Michael Madsen, who at least doesn't run off with all my cash Has your dh never heard of having a ring re-sized when it doesn't fit, or did you pretend such a thing was impossible in order to blag another one?

MrsF, great to see you back as well, glad you're all happily settled in beside the seaside.

Uki, Lua, no, dh and I have not recommenced rudies, due to exhaustion, illness and the fact that until a few weeks ago ds was with us every second of the day and night. (And indeed now still sleeps in our room).

Right, off to compose my thoughts on sleep. At the moment, top of my list is "why can't I have some?" (ds and dh being asleep together in the living room). I am determined to hit the sack at about 8 tonight, although this will probably lead to being wide awake at 3 a.m.!

Hello Everyone

Lippy's weekly summary, "totally full on week and am completely wiped out, looking forward to Friday night dvd and take away"

I am very {envy] about the diamonds talk. I am the proud owner of zero diamonds harrrumpfffff. I keep telling dp that the longer he waits the higher the price of the diamond has to be. The value currently stands at anything over 3 grand. he thinks I'm kidding...

Lynnyyyyyy -testyed???????? Sorry about your phone too, that would pi$$ me off, all those numbers, lost!!

We have a routine which is, get up, feed play, sleep from 12-2, get up sleep, play, feed, bath, bed.

Welshie - you are hardly an 'old babggage', you're incredibly funky very young at heart. I love the food colouring, the actions of a desperate mum!??

Mrs FP - Bournemouth sounds nice, at least you're by the sea. I have a friend there, a teacher and she loves it!

Charley - We're not buying a holiday home ( at least not yet!!) I was searching for somewhere to rent next year in France.

I used to use Yahoo, and various other, but have got out of the habit and ran out of time!!!

Dd2 is on a 2.5 grobag and I am very happy, I hated flipping blankets.

I appear to have lost the abilty to spell

• quick message for cp: Hope Arlo's new drug sorts his eating out. Most recent gain sounds like excellent news, glad the bb is working out, and in a cot too ! Hope your hell curves assume less importance with time. Hope consultant doesn't come up with anything ominous X

Hope all other Junies are doing well and lynyy, post if you've beaten cp, hey.

'young at heart'??? Lippy! that's how they describe grannies.....come to think of it I feel like a granny

What exactly is an 'old babgage' ? sounds like something to measure a granny's bosoms
Shall I go out for a glass of wine and Pride and Prejudice tonight or stay in with dh and do some more knitting? An old bab gage would definitely stay in......

I think that's an old bapgauge.

oh, go to pride and prejudice! I would love to go myself!
Welshie you better not be even close to granny! if you are, I will be one very soon too!

BTW dw saw P&P the other day. Said character treatments v. different and no hunky Darcy like Colin. Just so you all know.

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Oh Lynny THANK GOD is all I can say! Hope you are relieved, although it must be a bit of an odd feeling nonetheless.

Excellent news about Jess's little feet, and her weight gain sounds good to me. "Well, it's alright" - I mean, what are you meant to say? "Oh, I've had her on a low carb diet this week, it's very trendy. Maybe I should stop that?" Of course you are feeding her all she can take and she's putting on weight at a perfectly acceptable level (remember everything within the centile range is normal - my little niece was way off the bottom of the chart when she went into care as her birth mum really wasn't feeding her properly).

Lippy, if your dp holds out for too long he will end up having to negotiate with either Elizabeth Taylor or Elizabeth the Queen for something from their jewellery collection, might be worth pointing that out.

Have a good evening all!

Bon Soir!

Hehe Yes my spelling was rubbish! Is young at heart how they describe Granny's??? Is that not 'smelling of moth balls'....?? Anyway, it was definitely meant as a compliment!
I would go to the movies, possibly not to see P&P. How can it live up to the BBC adaptation???

Lynny!!!! Good news

lynny- relief!
shame about the wait 13wks seems excessive.
HV is really the luck of the draw, ignore her.

i am tired mostly because i have found it hard to sleep this week. dd been fine but i have just been worried about all and nothing.

spent some time online getting some basic essential clothing and lusting after a gorgeous wrap dress...had an e-mail confirming purchase this morningdont remember doig ithonest

off to eat lovely dh curry
have nice evening all

SFX - You've made curry out of your DH?! . Hope he's tasty