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June 10 babies have arrived. Now we are all sleep deprived!

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CantSleepWontSleep · 11/07/2010 21:43

Welcome to 'the other side' ladies. Long may we all continue to post!

ARRIVALS
27/04 (due 23/06) - SunshineDay - Faye - 3lbs 2oz
16/05 (due 02/06) - Meggymegmegs - James (Jimmy) David, 7lb 1oz
19/05 (due 01/06) - whenwillisleepagain - Alice Emily, 8lb 7oz
21/05 (due 21/06) - Gizmo - Hester Rose - 6lbs
23/05 (due 9/06) - greensnail, Alice Elizabeth, 7lb 2oz
24/05 (due 8/06) - Saucepanman, Gabriel, 8lb 4oz
24/05 (due 31/05) - minimoonumber2, Sebastian Robin
26/05 (due 24/06) - GibberingGinger James Alexander, 5lb 13oz, & Douglas John, 5lb 15oz
28/05 (due 30/05) - GoodName, Fergus, 8lb
28/05 (due 31/05) - mampam, Tilly May, 9lb 11oz
28/05 (due 4/06) - jo807bump - Hannah May, 5lb 7.5oz
04/06 (due 07/06) - perkster - Sidney James Perkins Berner, 7lb 11oz
05/06 (due 31/05) - dinosaurinmybelly - Zoe Leila - 6lb 9oz
07/06 (due 02/06 ) - AlwaysHopeful - George, 7lb 13oz
07/06 (due 07/06) - MrsC09 - Rufus Jack
08/06 (due 01/06) - PogueMahone - Magnus Gabriel, 8lb 14.5oz
08/06 (due 11/06) - woofie - Laurence Elliot (Laurie) - 7lb 11oz
08/06 (due 21/06) - sunworshipper - Romola Ann Bettina, 5lb 15oz
09/06 (due 08/06) - LittleRobbo - Summer Dawn
09/06 (due 09/06) - Boobz - Constance Ella Reed,
11/06 (due 02/06) - Justbeme - 'Nobody' (boy) - 8lb 9oz
12/06 (due 02/06) - roundabout1 - Lauren - 8lb 14oz
13/06 (due 18/06) - Virgo1979 - nameless boy! 7lb 9oz
14/06 (due 30/06) - monthlymayhem - Hayden, 7lb
14/06 (due 08/06) - MrsAlwaysRight - Alice Rose, 9lb 7oz
14/06 (due 15/06) - Millymollymoo - boy
15/06 (due 31/05) - RnB - Artemis, 7lb 9oz
15/06 (due 29/06) - playftseforme - Rory 6lb 4oz, and Fergus 6lb 8oz
16/06 (due 17/06) - Chestnut100 - Daisy Belle 6lb 14oz
17/06 (due 01/06) - Madamfreckle - Emma 6lb 6oz
17/06 (due 30/06) - MonkeyMargot - Atticus Fox 7lb 8oz and Rafferty Bear 7lb 14oz
17/06 )due 04/06) - Suzy1975 - Samuel 7lb 14oz
18/06 (due 23/06) - earlyonemorning - Edgar William 7lb 8oz
18/06 (due 13/06) - sobloodystupid - Stella 8lb 8oz
19/06 (due 22/06) - Gaelicsheep - Robin 6lb 14oz
22/06 (due 14/06) - Fillybuster - Mia Rae 9lb 3oz
24/06 (due 16/06) - Nizzynoodles - Samuel James 10lb 10.5oz
24/06 (due 17/06) - summerhols - Lilly
25/06 (due 17/06) - Barbeasty - Ruth Damaris Rose, 9lb
26/06 (due 16/06) - JoKettle - James Lennox, 8lb 7oz
26/06 (due 29/06) - MrsDmamee - Elyssa, 8lb 5oz
28/06 (due 26/06) - imkeepingmum - girl, 7lb 11oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Georgee - Anna Rose, 7lb 15.5oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Elena67 - boy, 9lb 5oz
29/06 (due 17/06) - bluesnowfalcon - Corey, 8lb 11.75oz
29/06 (due 18/06) - theperfectbaguette - Clementine Jemima, 6lb
29/06 (due 26/06) - RubyReins - Luke Douglas, 7lb 14oz
29/06 (due 25/06) - Ilovemyterrier - Jeppe Sebastian Fagerlund, 7lb 6.5oz
01/07 (due 30/06)- LaTrucha - Daniel Timothy, 8lb 11oz
3/7 (due 29/06) - CantSleepWontSleep - Jeremy Francis, 9lb 4oz

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Elena67 · 15/07/2010 21:02

Blimey, it's a LOT harder than (when) I was expecting! My boy is lovely - and belatedly named TOm, sorry if I missed the data list... Feeding has been a sod, with a missed tongue tie combining with big soft boobs leading to a drop from 9lb 5oz to 8lb 1oz in the four days after birth while still in hospital. He's two weeks and 4 days and is gradually creeping back up (8lb 12/4kg) and his latch is improving. Still trying bits of top up, though he doesn't really take it, and waking him in the night for 3/4 hourly feeds - the horror of having to wake a deeply asleep baby at 3.30 is unbelievable.
It's been the most unexpected and intense thing I could ever have imagined. Am I the first person to wail "no-one tells you what it's going to be like"?!! To think I haunted MN, read every book published, went to all the classes and STILL had no idea. I was on such a fluffy cloud of pregnantness I might jjust as well have stuck fingers in my ears and gone lalala for 9 months. Luckily Tom is the most perfect baby that ever there was (sorry, everyone else!) so it's worth it. Here's to light at the end of the tunnel.

greensnail · 15/07/2010 21:07

Think everyone's lost in a world of sleep deprivation CSWS. We're not all hardenned to lack of sleep like you

Have had a pretty rubbish day today, I've been exhausted and both girls have been demanding my full attention constantly. Alice seems to be full of snot at the moment which she's struggling with. DD1 had a nasty cold when she was 8 weeks old and didn't get rid of the snottyness until she was 6 months old so I'm hoping I'm not in for the same thing with Alice.

I'm off to bed now, hope everyone gets some decent sleep tonight.

NizzyNoodles · 15/07/2010 23:20

I'm still here - just lurking!

Sam is doing brilliantly and I do think the sleep deprivation is less of a shock 3rd time round so I have sympathy for all of you 1st timers. He hasn't put back the weight he initially lost yet but no-one seems particularly worried although the midwife can't discharge me until he does. (It's all about ticking the boxes sometimes!!!) The health visitor has been twice but hasn't added any value yet. I hope everyone else has much more useful/helpful/less patronising health visitors than I do.

Our main problem is sorting out the logistics of getting everyone where they need to be on time. I think we're currently settled down to a routine of feeds every 3 hours or so and maybe 4/5 hours at night. This is slightly easier as we're now on formula so DH can help out with the late night feed while I go to bed early (although I'm up late tonight!!) and do the 3/4am feed instead. MrsAlwaysRight DH usually gives him a bottle between 11 and 12 then he wakes anytime between 3.30 and 5 so we're not doing too bad although there's no real pattern yet.

CSWS cute pics - but all your children are cute!!

goodname I have a close carrier too and have used it a few times now. I think you do have to start off with it much tighter than you think as the weight of the baby seems to pull the fabric out if that makes sense.

Re the whole sleeping thing - currently DH is in our room and I'm in the double bed in Sam's room as his room used to be our spare room. It seems to work ok for us at the moment especially because DD1 and DD2 go to DH in our room when they wake up so I only really have to worry about DS.

Right, this is the latest I've been up for a while so I'm off to bed!!

madamefreckle · 16/07/2010 00:34

Aha! The new thread! Thanks CSWS. Just about caught up but now off on holiday tomorrow. The rain has been good but now come back sun!!
Minimoo - you are not alone - dealing with my DS and how he is reacting to Emma is the hardest thing, she is a total doddle - or would be if he wasn't here too, bless him, he's has his nose quite seriously put out of joint. How old is ds1?

mampam · 16/07/2010 08:17

Hi all and Congratulations to all the new arrivals I missed.

Not had much time to sit at the computer recently. All's well with Tilly and I'm back to exclusively BF her again. Must be doing something right as the GP weighed her yesterday and she's 11lb 11oz!!! Thinking of buying a breast pump and expressing, any advice?? (on the expressing that is).

JoKettle · 16/07/2010 12:18

mampam I have been using the Avent electric pump with great success - you start it off manually to set the right rhythm then once the milk is squirting out you press a button and it carries on at the same rate. Very easy and not at all painful which I was expecting. Easy to clean too. So far James isn't very interested in taking anything from a bottle though so it's a bit of a waste of time and effort at the moment but hopefully he'll take to it soon. I'd love a glass of wine one evening!

CantSleepWontSleep · 16/07/2010 12:42

Jo - you can have a glass of wine whilst bf without it being a problem - no need to express to allow for it.

Well done to you and tilly mampam for getting back to exclusive bf.

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AlwaysHopeful · 16/07/2010 12:49

CSWS I was wondering this morning how you find time to post as often as you do with three DCs to look after... I can't get round to it more than every couple of days since George came along.

Reasons to be chearful in the Hopeful household:

  1. George smiled at me for the first time on Tuesday and gave DH a beamer last night!

  2. I am back in my pre-pregnancy jeans - well, two out of three pairs, anyway - the others are still too skinny.

  3. I have written and posted all of my Thank You cards for all of George's gifts My conscience is clear again, thank goodness!

Also, I am hopeful that George might be starting to get a more sociable sleep routine after seelping from 10 until almost 3 last night. He then only lasted until 5.30, but at least it was progress!! Is it usual for a 5/6 week old to be still feeding every two hours during the day? Should I expect a growth spurt around now? He's growing at more than half a pound a week so far as it is!!

CantSleepWontSleep · 16/07/2010 12:55

Neglect AlwaysHopeful .
That and having my computer on the dining table so that I can post whilst we eat, and sometimes whilst feeding Jeremy, as long as the other 2 are safely occupied.
Got a new imac yesterday and it's much easier to type on one handed than my old macbook with sticky keys too.

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MonkeyMargot · 16/07/2010 13:56

hello dear mummies.
Belated Happy Birthday LaT and shame on your DH for the badly chosen flowers. Still, it sounds like he redeemed himself in the end.

Sleep deprivation is a terrible thing. After an initial easy 2 weeks with the twins, suddenly we were thrown off course with horrendous wind/constipation and screaming colicky / forever hungry babies in middle of the night. I will admit (ashamedly) that I felt like throwing the babies out the window one particularly bad night. DH was even worse than me, but after 5 nights of no more than 1-2 hours sleep it was starting to get to us both.

So I bit the bullet and have got a maternity nurse in for a 5-day stint. 36 hours later and things are already so, so much better. Turns out the babies weren't feeding for long enough, hence not reaching the hind milk and then hungry again within an hour or two. We now have both babies having fantastic 45 minute feeds, and it has made a huge difference.

The other thing which has made a big difference is settling the babies on their tummies, and then turning them onto their backs once asleep. They settle so much better on their tummies, it's incredible. I have to stay around to watch them whilst on their tums, but it's easy enough to turn them once they are sound asleep.

Feeling almost semi-human after some sleep, and the babies did a 5-hour stretch of sleep last night which is about a million times better then the previous 4 nights. Phew - relief.

Back to DH's and gifts, was my DH's bday last Friday and I didn't even manage to make it out to buy him a card
However he came up trumps in buying me a gift for producing the babies, and bought me a gorgeous diamond ring . Am lucky girl indeed I know.

GibberingGinger · 16/07/2010 14:29

Sorry I've not been on for ages, am still trying to read the thread, but I don't have time to reply much.

Am getting seriously cheesed off with the boys. Its like groundhog day around here. I really hoped that we would be getting a bit of improvement and stretching between feeds at night, but its still every 3 hours. They are 7 weeks old now and I haven't slept more than 2 hours at a time in that long! My notes from my daughter (yes I am that anal) show that at 6 weeks when she was 10lb 1 oz she was sleeping 11pm- 5am -8am. They boys are not much lighter than that and they go 11pm-1am-4am-7am

However have an appointment at Sick Childrens hospital in Edinburgh next thurs for James to have his cleft palate looked at. Appt is 9.15 so will need to leave at 7 am to get there! Looks like surgery at 9months, and then possibly again at 5 years. Will find out more next week

Sorry about the moan, hope everyone is doing ok about the maternity nurse MM!

greensnail · 16/07/2010 14:45

GibberingGinger - I wish I'd made notes on DD1 like that. I trying to remember what she did at this age but am finding it impossible to remember! I know that she definitely wasn't sleeping as well as your DD at 6 weeks though, probably more like your boys at a guess and Alice is similar but has done one 5 hour stretch a couple of nights ago.

Glad things have improved for you MonkeyMargot. That maternity nurse sounds great. How did you get the babies feeding for longer? Alice only ever has fairly short feeds and I wonder if this is why she's not as settled during the day as DD1 used to be.

Mampam - great to hear the bfing is going so well. No advice on expressing I'm afraid, I've only ever made a few attempts at it and was rubbish so gave up!

Thanks for all the input on sleeping arrangements everyone. DH decided he wanted to rejoin us so has been back in our bed for a couple of nights. He's coping much better than I expected with the broken sleep and its lovely to have him there for a cuddle but I am missing being able to stretch out with Alice. Think we might need to invest in a bigger bed!

LaTrucha · 16/07/2010 16:35

Did I miss everyone complaining about incessant visits from annying relatives? I thought that was supposed to happen? Come on ladies, make me feel better about the total lack of family we have who can visit us!

We're managing here. It's very difficult to keep the two apart and to make sure hands etc are washed in between holds with big girl and little boy. Ceebeebies is involved to a shocking degree. Needs must.

greensnail · 16/07/2010 19:23

LaT Maybe I didn't have time to complain when my inlaws were here for a whole week, camping on my driveway in their motor home. I can moan now if it helps. DD1 was just starting to get used to the idea of a new baby when they arrived, completely unsettling her again. They obviously wanted to help out by entertaining her but she really doesn't know them at all so she ended up running to me for reassurance whenever they came too close so making more work for me!
To be fair to them they were a lot more supportive of the tandem feeding than I expected, although I'd be interested to hear what they say to the rest of the family about us.

A lot of CBeebies going on here too.

LaTrucha · 16/07/2010 19:31

Thanks greensnail. I needed that. DS feeding since 1pm today. I know it's par for the course with a newborn but very trying with a toddler who can't touch the baby to see to aswell.

DD emptied all the baby's drawers today (so I now have to wash them all as bug DD has survives for ages), then found the loo brush (ugh) and scratched DH's nose so blood all over the carpet.

She is being very good about the crucial things though - taking medecine and not touching DS.

I saw and asdvert for Gordon's gin which sounds like a bloody good idea. Think I'll go to bed with limpit DS instead.

goodname · 16/07/2010 21:31

Mrsalwaysright thats amazing getting 5.5 hours of sleep. Fergus has managed 4 a couple of time and 5 on one occasion but most nights it is 3 hours then up for at least and hour then back down for 3. Last night was way worse than normal though and he was up 5 times between 9.30 and 6. Think he wasn't feeling too great though the poor wee thing.
What time does everyone put their babies to bed at and how do they go about it?
On a plus note he also smiles properly a lot now and made what sounded rather like a laugh today which was so so cute. I absolutley adore him even when he is getting me up all night long
Actually he is testing that love right now as he has just woken screaming after I have spent best part of two hour trying to get him to sleep ( he managed half an hour) DH has him but I better go and sort him out I think as he just wont settle as well with him

mampam · 17/07/2010 07:59

CSWS Thanks. Glad I managed to get back to the exclusive BF. It was so tempting to give up at one stage (horrid MW didn't help matters either) but I'm really enjoying it. I'm going to try to express a little bit now as I'm joining Weight Watchers next week and will have to take Tilly with me. Don't think it's an appropriate place to flop my boob out and BF. And believe me I'll BF anywhere normally plus sometimes it will be nice for DH to be able to give her a feed and I can have a break and relax in the bath or something!!

MonkeyMargot I've thought some horrid thoughts about Tilly too in the middle of the night. I threatened her with being taken downstairs in her moses basket and left down there to scream it out!! Obviously I wouldn't do that and I did feel ever so guilty for thinking it in the first place

JoKettle Thanks, I'll have a look online for that Breast Pump.

Tilly generally tends to wake up once or twice a night. TBH the nights are fine but sometimes she won't settle during the day which is a bit of a nightmare as it's a long day and evening with a fractious baby that won't be put down for longer than 5 minutes.

DH and I are at a bit of a crossroads workwise at the moment. Most of DH's work comes to him through another guy who hires DH to do work for him. They've been working on a big project for over a year now and we thought it would take him through to next Spring/Summer. To cut a long story short this guy has been offered the job of a lifetime so is dissolving his business. DH won't have any work through him as of the middle of September.
It will be the worst time of year for DH to seek new work that will tide us over the winter. DH isn't really sure he wants to carry with what he's doing anyway but we don't really live in an area where there are an abundance of jobs either.

Both DH and I want to go to college and train to do something (me probably next year though) neither of us has any idea as to what. The thing is and this is annoying me somewhat, I know that over the next couple of months he'll make no or little effort of his own accord to seek a job or generate work in his own field without some serious nagging from me (I'll have to hold his hand and tell him what to do step by step) and if a job came up that I could do, I know he'd be quite happy for me to take it so he could sit at home on his arse be a stay at home dad even though I've just had a baby.

Anyway, it's nice hearing from you all and reading how you're all getting on.

minimoonumbertwo · 17/07/2010 12:27

THANK YOU THANK YOU everyone for all your words, very very lovely and has cheered me no end! So good to know there are so many lovely understanding mamas out there. Seb now on ranitidine for his reflux & i think there has been some improvement, he's not suddenly become an angel baby but he's a little more manageable.

greensnail i am actually quite impressed with the gift of pate - was it something you especially missed when you were preggers?? Not exactly diamonds though...i am thinking of buying my own from the joint account...

csws thanks for that, i hadn't thought about milk intolerance. it's not something the paediatrician mentioned but i'll go to clinic on monday. Thanks for the sling tip, i now have one and am revelling in having two hands free woohoo!!

alwayshopeful hope you managed to get your cuppa, i think part of it for me is letting go of ds1 and letting him play at soft play/sandpit/playground etc without me hovering - he is probably thoroughly relieved actually!! Well done for actually getting the three of you ready and out of the house in the first place!! George sounds like a cutie.

whenwilli glad to hear the extra nursery time has helped & interested to see you do mornings only. i think i may change ds1 from 3 full days to every morning, just seems like a better balance. Do NOT feel guilty!! i think they are probably better off there having fun while you get some 1to1 time with Alice and a renewed vigour for them when they come home.

madame ds1 is 3 in november - how old is your dd? it's very difficult to know what's baby related and what is just his age...hope you're having a calmer weekend anyway..

monkeymargot hurrah for diamonds!! And well done for getting the nurse in - i have no idea how you coped so long without one! Sounds like things are more sorted now - well done.

LaT am thinking of you loads - can only imagine how trying it must be - you have the patience of a saint!!!

filly seriously i would love your childcare book - maybe you could just come and be my maternity nurse instead?!?!

elena there just isn't anything that can prepare you is there??!!! when i had ds1 someone said to me 'it never gets any harder than this' which really helped. And when they are lovely they are very very lovely!!

Sorry for anyone i've missed out, hope you're all having fun filled sleep filled (ha!) weekends xxx

woofie · 17/07/2010 12:53

Having a crap few days here too. Laurie lulled us into a false sense of security by doing 5+ hours at a stretch pretty well every night in his first 3 weeks (during which his weight gain was slow- not a coincidence I suppose) but nights now gone to sht... He generally only feeds 3 times 7-7 but he is pooing a lot and needing a lot of settling btw feeds, so a 2-hr uninterrupted sleep feels luxurious atm! Dh is in with us, but as I'm not expressing cos I can't face the prospect of another thing to get done during the day, plus dh is spending evenings and wkends renovating our new house and so is plenty knackered already, I'm doing all of the night duty with Laurie. minimoo* - am also finding dealing with 2 a challenge. Ds1 has gone from having the exclusive attention of 2 parents and 3 grandparents to a mum who's sleep deprived and mainly pinned to the sofa feeding and a dad who's barely in the house... Poor thing, he's dealing with it brilliantly in general, although predictably he's not great at entertaining himself for long periods- am trying to be positive and think that a spot of benign neglect might be good for him in the long run, but basically feel v guilty about not doing much fun stuff with him. And this is while he's got preschool to occupy him 3 days a week- god knows what we'll do in the long summer holiday. Am trying to sort out loads of playdates as day trips seem a bit ambitious until Laurie's got more of a routine.

Anyway, sorry for the long whinge- feel better for it though! Reasons to be cheerful in the woofie household: 1 Laurie has consented to sleep in carrycot at night and even did a short nap in it this morning allowing me to have a shower in peace; (2) he's very cute; (3)bf seems to be going so much better than last time so haven't had supplement; (4) by September we'll be in our new house and this bit will seem like a bad dream!

mampam - brilliant about reestablishing bf- well done you. Sorry about dp's work- hope smth better comes up for him and/ or you. Any ideas on the general area you'd like to study?

gibberingginger and monkeymargot- I just simply can't imagine what it's like going through this chaos squared. Kudos to you both for still functioning!

laTrucha - so sorry about your dd's infection. Must be nearly impossible keeping the 2 apart, I know ds1 wants to be involved with ds2 at every opportunity. Hope it clears up really soon .

Sending good sleep vibes to everyone else x

MonkeyMargot · 17/07/2010 13:51

To all you first-timers, the best advice I can give is that it really does get better - this awful stage will pass within the first 12 weeks and suddenly the night stretches get a little longer. Hold on in there ladies...!

greensnail to get the boys to feed for longer I had to break the cycle of feeding them on demand. So I had to make them wait 3 hours from one feed before starting the next. This meant they were properly hungry for a full feed, (and not just a snack) and so we had our first ever 40 minute feed - success! Once I know they've had a proper full feed, I feel confident leaving them 3 hours til next feed, and the greedy twin has stopped requesting top-ups in between now as he doesn't need them.

greensnail · 17/07/2010 14:56

Agree totally with MonkeyMargot, I think the main thing which is helping me at the moment is knowing that things will get better and that in a very short amount of time this stage will feel like ancient history. Although people tell you that with your first, it does just feel like its going on for ever and you'll never get past the newborn stage but it honestly does happen faster than you would think.

We had a hellish night last night. Poor Alice was absolutely full of snot and finding it impossible feed as she couldn't breathe through her nose. DD1 was an incredibly snotty baby and so I thought I knew all the tricks for dealing with this but it seems Alice is even worse than she was. Have eventually managed to get Alice clear enough to have a decent feed this afternoon so hopefully we'll manage some sleep tonight as I think I only managed a couple of 30minute blocks of sleep last night.

minimoo great to hear things are a little easier. Yes, I agree pate was a very thoughtful gift as I really did miss it when I was pregnant, I wouldn't have minded some jewellery as well though

greensnail · 17/07/2010 15:07

Oh, and thanks for the advice on getting them to take longer feeds MonkeyMargot. Its been so hot recently that I've been keen for Alice to feed often to keep hydrated and now she's struggling to feed I'll just have to carry on as and when she's able to feed, once that's cleared up I'll just have to see where we are with her feeds and take it from there I think.

RnB · 17/07/2010 16:26

Woohoo just found this. CSWS your DS is lovely, congratulations!

And congratulations to all the other mums too.

dd is adorable but doesn't seem to like sleeping very much. Has been a bit of a shock to us how little sleep we are getting. She wants to be held all the time, sleeps fine when held or on lap but wakes up as soon as we put her in the moses basket Today we've tried to make the moses basket more inviting by using a bolster technique I saw on The BAby Whispereer (rolled up towels either side covered in a blanket). This definitely makes the basket more inviting for her. STill not sleeping though!

Breastfeeding is going well. I'm expressing a bottle for her midnight feed so I can go to bed early and let DP do the feeding. This is great because we also know how much she's having as she tends to fall asleep on the breast and I'm never really sure if she's had a full feed.

But all in all she's utterly adorable. Hope everyone is geting on ok

whenwillisleepagain · 17/07/2010 17:07

Stupidly I made the mistake of telling a neighbour yesterday that going from one child to two was proving ok at the moment. Then followed grim night & day - first of all Alice awake for hours and hours yesterday afternoon, evening, and till 11.30 - not sure if she just got overtired or if she was on a growth spurt and really wanted milk - afraid I kept putting my boob in her mouth just so I could converse with DS. Then DS, who has been better at night, was up four times last night, wanting only me because, 'daddy's not my friend' - another phase which I hoped had passed. Guess these things don't just stop and start. Alice glugged milk all night and DH fell down the stairs when he'd been up trying to pacify DS. Unsurprisingly I had my first post-pregnancy flashing lights migraine thing this morning, which is a sod because I hoped they'd departed with my hormones. (although may be explained by fact that consultant asked me about contraception when she was stitching me up post-CS, and I agreed to have an implanon implant in my arm before I left hospital - probably only because I wanted to create illusion that DH and I would be enjoying some splendid sex life ASAP. I then decided it was wrong contraceptive choice for me, so got GP to take it out on Thurs - so hormonal muddle probably going on right now. From now on will rely on exhaustion and intermittent presence of two small children in bed to prevent any more pregnancies.)

Sending sympathy to the rest of the Disturbed Night Brigade and Those Struggling With Other DCs. Alice usually wakes twice, but she is right next to me and I gather co-sleeping babies are more likely to wake and help themselves from the milk bar. And when I say she wakes twice that's from a starting point of 10.30pm ish IYSWIM, efforts to put her down earlier have generally failed, and I'm concentrating on trying to sort DS's sleep first, as he is the one really wearing us out.

Elena, no nothing prepared me and I really struggled with that - you sound pretty sanguine by comparison with me when my son was Tom's age.

mini thanks for the message and glad things a bit better for you

AlwaysHopeful · 17/07/2010 20:33

Am very fed up. I went shopping for an outfit for my brother's wedding and came home feeling like a useless blob. The sales are on, the shops are packed and, while my jeans fit me because they are low cut, drrsses and skirts make me look utterly crap. Need to tethink my strategy fast as the wedding is less than 3 weeks away. Finding something which looks nice on is one thing, finding something i can bf in without having to get completely undressed is something else.