June 10 babies have arrived. Now we are all sleep deprived!

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Welcome to 'the other side' ladies. Long may we all continue to post!

ARRIVALS
27/04 (due 23/06) - SunshineDay - Faye - 3lbs 2oz
16/05 (due 02/06) - Meggymegmegs - James (Jimmy) David, 7lb 1oz
19/05 (due 01/06) - whenwillisleepagain - Alice Emily, 8lb 7oz
21/05 (due 21/06) - Gizmo - Hester Rose - 6lbs
23/05 (due 9/06) - greensnail, Alice Elizabeth, 7lb 2oz
24/05 (due 8/06) - Saucepanman, Gabriel, 8lb 4oz
24/05 (due 31/05) - minimoonumber2, Sebastian Robin
26/05 (due 24/06) - GibberingGinger James Alexander, 5lb 13oz, & Douglas John, 5lb 15oz
28/05 (due 30/05) - GoodName, Fergus, 8lb
28/05 (due 31/05) - mampam, Tilly May, 9lb 11oz
28/05 (due 4/06) - jo807bump - Hannah May, 5lb 7.5oz
04/06 (due 07/06) - perkster - Sidney James Perkins Berner, 7lb 11oz
05/06 (due 31/05) - dinosaurinmybelly - Zoe Leila - 6lb 9oz
07/06 (due 02/06 ) - AlwaysHopeful - George, 7lb 13oz
07/06 (due 07/06) - MrsC09 - Rufus Jack
08/06 (due 01/06) - PogueMahone - Magnus Gabriel, 8lb 14.5oz
08/06 (due 11/06) - woofie - Laurence Elliot (Laurie) - 7lb 11oz
08/06 (due 21/06) - sunworshipper - Romola Ann Bettina, 5lb 15oz
09/06 (due 08/06) - LittleRobbo - Summer Dawn
09/06 (due 09/06) - Boobz - Constance Ella Reed,
11/06 (due 02/06) - Justbeme - 'Nobody' (boy) - 8lb 9oz
12/06 (due 02/06) - roundabout1 - Lauren - 8lb 14oz
13/06 (due 18/06) - Virgo1979 - nameless boy! 7lb 9oz
14/06 (due 30/06) - monthlymayhem - Hayden, 7lb
14/06 (due 08/06) - MrsAlwaysRight - Alice Rose, 9lb 7oz
14/06 (due 15/06) - Millymollymoo - boy
15/06 (due 31/05) - RnB - Artemis, 7lb 9oz
15/06 (due 29/06) - playftseforme - Rory 6lb 4oz, and Fergus 6lb 8oz
16/06 (due 17/06) - Chestnut100 - Daisy Belle 6lb 14oz
17/06 (due 01/06) - Madamfreckle - Emma 6lb 6oz
17/06 (due 30/06) - MonkeyMargot - Atticus Fox 7lb 8oz and Rafferty Bear 7lb 14oz
17/06 )due 04/06) - Suzy1975 - Samuel 7lb 14oz
18/06 (due 23/06) - earlyonemorning - Edgar William 7lb 8oz
18/06 (due 13/06) - sobloodystupid - Stella 8lb 8oz
19/06 (due 22/06) - Gaelicsheep - Robin 6lb 14oz
22/06 (due 14/06) - Fillybuster - Mia Rae 9lb 3oz
24/06 (due 16/06) - Nizzynoodles - Samuel James 10lb 10.5oz
24/06 (due 17/06) - summerhols - Lilly
25/06 (due 17/06) - Barbeasty - Ruth Damaris Rose, 9lb
26/06 (due 16/06) - JoKettle - James Lennox, 8lb 7oz
26/06 (due 29/06) - MrsDmamee - Elyssa, 8lb 5oz
28/06 (due 26/06) - imkeepingmum - girl, 7lb 11oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Georgee - Anna Rose, 7lb 15.5oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Elena67 - boy, 9lb 5oz
29/06 (due 17/06) - bluesnowfalcon - Corey, 8lb 11.75oz
29/06 (due 18/06) - theperfectbaguette - Clementine Jemima, 6lb
29/06 (due 26/06) - RubyReins - Luke Douglas, 7lb 14oz
29/06 (due 25/06) - Ilovemyterrier - Jeppe Sebastian Fagerlund, 7lb 6.5oz
01/07 (due 30/06)- LaTrucha - Daniel Timothy, 8lb 11oz
3/7 (due 29/06) - CantSleepWontSleep - Jeremy Francis, 9lb 4oz

Jo Kettle if you have a laptop, iplayer or 4Od is great when feeding, or read mumsnet.

I get to make dinner, eat dinner, referee fights, fend off a jealous toddler, look at children's books, and generally continue with life whilst i feed!! With my first I watched a lot of deal or no deal and ate a lot of chocolate digestives!

CSWS - How has DS1 taken to tandem feeding again? Is it easier because he was used to sharing with DD or has that not made a difference do you think?

Happy birthday LaTrucha! I think you definitely deserve more than garage forecourt flowers after producing a beautiful ds... Hope you had fun with the dcs and glad your day is improving.

alwayshopeful - I'm still bleeding after 5 weeks too, and with renewed vigour this week. Seem to remember it being similar last time. Tiresome after 9 months off!

Laurie's put on 8oz this week though he's still following 9th centile for weight and 91st for height... He's all long skinny limbs and enormous hands and feet!

I find even watching crap tv while bfing a challenge as I'm usually having to devote most of attention to keeping him awake...

Woohoo we are officially postnatal! Hhmmmm but is this a good thing?!

Sorry my posts are so infrequent but we move home next Friday so will be able to keep up much better then.

Am horribly behind but LaT happy birthday and you definitely deserve a lot of love from your dh. You are not alone in feeling hormonal & down - for some reason I have suddenly found everything totally overwhelming in the last few days and i really don't know why. I am reeeaaalllly struggling with 2 and ds1's rejection of everything mummy at the moment is not helping!! I only have them both on my own 2 days a week but just can't cope...uh oh am becoming teary in my local caff now!! Does anyone have any tips?? Because Seb cries so much i seem to be always either feeding him or holding him or he's left crying somewhere so poor Milo never really gets any one to one attention, I am hoping that tomorrow's appointment will sort his reflux & therefore lessen the crying - fingers crossed anyway.

alwayshopeful thanks so much for your tips, i am mixed feeding now & the gaviscon does seem to have had some effect. It's just nice to know I am not alone in experiencing this! And my bleeding only stopped about a week ago (Seb is 7 weeks now)

CSWS & GG - hope all okay??

I am still waiting for something from dh to acknowledge my part in the birth of Sebastian - i even bought him something to thank him for all his support & taking care of ds1 while I concentrate on Seb - oh well, got diamonds first time round, maybe he thinks that's enough??? i think there should be a rule for eternity ring first time, diamond earrings second!!

Filly in total awe of your organised life!! Hat off to you, well done lady, do you fancy writing a childcare book?!?!

I may well have missed one but does anyone fancy a London meet up with babies in tow??

Belated happy birthday LaT (bugger, I didn't see the FB reminder...sorry!!)....and, no, YANBU - I'd be happy to have words with your dh on your behalf ...you deserve waaaaay more than a forgotten birthday, especially this year

I spend a lot of time listening to Radio4 (love that my 10am feed coincides with Woman's Hour, and the 6.30/7pm with comedy and the Archers ), and reading lightweight (literally and figuratively, as I need to be able to hold it in one hand!) fiction, JoKettle. I will start watching a bit of daytime tv once dh stops sleeping in the attic and we've replaced the futon with a nursing chair, as we've got a tv up there....at the moment I do most of my feeds in the nursery, and there's just a radio in there Very impressed by CSWS's multi-tasking feeding - you're a bf-ing genius

Please please don't be impressed minimoo....its all smoke and mirrors and will come crashing down sometime soon - anyway, I'd be totally flamed by MN if I wrote a parenting book as I'm a little overly controlling old-fashioned in my approach

Feeling very brain dead, even though Mia is being super good. She's generally doing a 6-7 hour stretch at night, but is still getting the hang of uninterrupted sleep between feeds, so I have to settle her/reswaddle her a few times between 11 and 5.30, even though she's not feeding. I've told her she's got until 10 weeks and then she needs to be sleeping 11-7 or she has to find a new home....

Minimoo sorry to hear you're feeling so down. I'm having days where I'm coping fine with 2 and then days when I feel like tearing my hair out as it seems like everyone's constantly in tears. I find going out a lot helps to keep my toddler amused so she's not so bothered by my lack of attention. Do you have any family or other help nearby? I was at a family party on sunday and had my parents over yesterday and it was so wonderful to have a couple of days of someone else holding the baby, leaving me free to spend a bit of time with DD1 and also a bit of time with no child attached to me which I think has improved all of our moods today.

I also got diamonds for the birth of DD1. This time around I got supermarket flowers and pate

I was wondering how many DH's are currently sleeping in a separate room to you and the baby. Mine is (well he's actually slept in a tent in the garden the last couple of nights ) and I think he feels like he should be thinking about rejoining us. I'm quite happy without him to be honest as it makes life much easier for me and Alice, but maybe i should be encouraging him back rather than excluding him. Would be really interested to know what others are doing and if your DH is in a separate room when you're planning on him coming back.

lol greensnail - my dh has been sleeping in a separate room for the last 20 months or so, but I've actually got him back in at the moment so that he can help with night time nappy changes and provide a chest for ds to sleep on when he won't settle in the amby and I've had enough!

I currently have both boys sleeping at once, with neither of them on me - result!!! Swaddling seems to be the answer for ds2. Helped last night and now have him swaddled in a giant swaddling muslin that a friend gave me the other day.

Filly - you are a hard woman . 11-7 hasn't come until around a year with mine! In fact even now at age 4 there's no guarantee of a 7 o clock start from dd, but at least we can tell her to go away and she'll come down and play by herself if she's up before then.

minimoo - have you got yourself a sling that can keep him in an upright position? I would strongly recommend the close baby carrier for this - ds has loved being in it the last couple of days, and has slept really well whilst I've had my hands free to do other stuff.
I was going to ask if you've tried going dairy free too, but with mixed feeding you wouldn't see a difference due to the formula being cows milk based, unless you can persuade your consultant/GP to prescribe a hypoallergenic formula for you too. Reflux and milk intolerance so often go hand in hand. I would certainly ask about it at your appointment tomorrow, and hope that you have a good consultant who knows lots about it.
I do sympathise entirely - I found all the screaming and crying very hard to deal with with dd.

Supposed to be doing an online shop but messing about on Mumsnet instead. must get myself more practical

Thanks for all the good wishes re the cleft palate. No more progress made so far, just waiting on a referal. However I'm not too worried about it as it seems to be at the minor end of the cleft palate spectrum and he's got through 6 weeks with noone even noticing it (I'm pretty embarrassed about this - its so obvious I can't believe I didn't pick up on it I must be reallllly sleep deprived!).

I'm still bleeding and its week 7. I keep on thinking its tailing off, and maybe its my period instead but who knows.

Didn't get any pressies from DH this time or last time. Not even flowers. But I did't really expect anything either. I would expect a decent birthday pressie though LaT. Am vexed on your behalf.

D's conjunctivitis has cleared up. Tried a lttle breast milk on it (I've still got a little in there) and that seems to have done the trick

Better go get this shop done before the kids wake up

minimoo I also have times when i don't think i can cope with my two dc's. You are not alone! I am currently sat in the car with both of them asleep in the back. I was heading for the park, but it started raining so i am parked at the indoor play centre instead. Dd can play while i have a cup of tea and do ds's next feed!

duh, just posted on old thread because didn't notice there was a new one.

minimoo sending you a hug. You are def not alone, but not sure if helps to hear that. I now only have both DCs for half days, as have upped DS' nursery by one half day per week. It has reduced my frazzledness, but I feel a bit crap about it at same time IYSWIM. He is still being hideous to DH but less so. Meanwhile Alice fine but rather hot and cranky right now after 8 week immunisations earlier today.

Hello - just checking in. Happy belated birthday LaT - you definately deserved to be spoiled, but I think it is common for men to assume a fuss isn't required on birthdays because they themselves prefer lowkey. My DH is exactly the same. His big offence was doing nothing to mark my first Mother's Day, 5 weeks after DS1 arrived.

Zoe is pretty content but her feeding is all over the place. Partly my fault as I am out and about alot with nursery drop-off and pick-ups, plus playgroups for DS2. She spends alot of time in the ergo sling and likes it, then I just feed her when I can. She is feeding constantly from 6pm - 9pm though which is tiring and I don't feel I have much milk at that time, so have been doing what Filly does and expressing at the morning feed to supplement then. Will have to get a better schedule going soon as she is now 6 weeks..

CSWS I have the close sling and I cant seem to get comfortable with it, wee baby always seems to get lower and lower in it, am I doing something wrong or do you just need to keep pulling it up all the time? I spend all my time with it on holding him up.
just had to go and rescue dh who was having a bath with fergus as part of his shiny new bedtime routine. \fergus did an explosive poo in the bath which i must admit i found quite amusing, just given him a massage and now feeding and listening to baby mozart off youtube. cannot say baby seems at all calm tho, in fact he is more agitated than he has been all day.

Hi all - I'm not sure I'll be around much for a while. DD now has a skin infection. I think she may have caught it from Daniel as it looks very similar to the infection around his cord did. She's got to be kept away from other children - including and most difficult of all Daniel - and on very horribly bitter antibiotics for a week.

Minimoo- very sorry to hear you feeling down. I hope it blows away very soon.

Oh no LaT, poor DD and poor you. How on earth are you going to keep her away from Daniel? Will be thinking of you.

Oh dear LaT one thing after another for you - sending good thoughts & hope it clears up quickly.

Good thoughts also going to Minimoo & anyone else who's feeling blue today.

Greensnail my DH is about 200 miles away this week! He had to go on a course down south somewhere but apart from that he has been in our room from day 1 and I wouldn't be too pleased if he wanted to go next door. It's not that he does much overnight (in fact he usually sleeps right through all the feeding and nappy changing ) but I feel he should be there for moral support if nothing else iyswim. Also one very unsettled night he did actually help hugely by getting James out of his crib, changing him, handing him to me for feeding then taking him away again to settle, so all I had to do was feed and doze. I was glad he was there that night I can tell you!

My DH is in another room when he is going to work the following day as he's just far to exhausted to go to work otherwise - but then feels guilty for leaving me. Can't win either way it seems!

My DH is in with us, but still feels guilty!

I'll have to start expressing so that he can do a night feed and feel a bit better!

We have a deal that he doesn't change nappies, but he is doing ALL the rest of the housework.

I don't think it helped that it was incredibly painfuk until I snapped last week and made him drive me about 20 miles for some nipple sheilds (brilliant invention)- it looks as though Ruth has bitten a chunk out of each nipple, because she fusses and latches on/off so much at the start of a feed. The latch itself is fine... eventually.

barbeasty - have you had thorough advice about using nipple shields? They generally lead to a cessation in bf if used for very long.

Poor you and your family LaT. Hope you aren't MIA for long.

goodname - are you tightening the rings round your middle enough when you put the close on? I did find ds1 dropping a bit once he was a few months old, hence me liking it for a newborn but preferring the baby bjorn for an older child, but he was about 25lbs by that point. I don't have any trouble with slipping at this point. Which position are you carrying him in too? The one shown on my profile pics, or the more upright one (which I've been using with ds2)?

Have finally got round to putting a couple of pics of ds2 on my profile .

Very, very cute CSWS and love the t-shirt, where did you get it from?
I will check the rings, but am using the more upright position.

Thanks goodname. Got it from h&m a few weeks ago. Was almost my only purchase pre birth!

CSWS- it was that or expressing for a week or so. My nipples were that damaged. We've been feeding without the shields today and it's not been painful, so hopefully they have done their job. There's still a bit of healing to go and I 'll use them for the first feed of the day, when Ruth is still sleepy and crotchety, as that's when she does most of here on-offing.

Hi Ladies,

Congratulations to the mummies of all the latest arrivals.

Alice started smiling properly yesterday which is lovely

How long are little ones sleeping for over night? Alice has done several nights of midnight until 5.30am and just as I was getting used to having a nice chunk of sleep last night she went back to waking every 3 hours. Am hoping she'll revert back soon as I'm knackered today!

Oh bravo barbeasty - sounds like you know what you're doing with them . Glad they are helping.

Where is everyone now? Am used to post-natal being much busier!