Nothing good about the Tories?

[MrsWobbleTheWaitress]

Can someone please explain to me what is so horrific about having a Tory government?

Don't get me wrong - I don't like Conservatism myself - but why the widespread panic? It's not as if it's a Lib/BNP coalition!

Is there nothing good about the Tories?

Tories are not interested in mh services, last time they were in power they sold off the psychiatric hospitals and turfed the patients out onto the streets (literally).

I have no faith in them. Thats just how I feel.

Last time? That was years ago. 90% of the party is made up of new people. Please don't judge them from the mistakes of the past. It's not the same party.

I hope you are right.

He's just said that his government will look after the ill, the disabled and the vulnerable members of society. Give him a chance.

I think that moment just before the door to No 10 opened was lovely. DC looked adoringly at Samantha and for a brief moment they looked like the happiest couple in the world. Good luck to them, and fingers crossed for the rest of us!

BTW I don't think Mandy has 'gone' - as a Lord he keeps his seat till he dies doesn't he?

Probably CaveMum

It was lovely. I wish them all the very best.

But the reason we judge them on past policies is because those policies were the result of the party's fundamental ideology. Surely a party's base beliefs are what propel us to support one over the other. Many of the issues Labour has been blamed with were inherited by the Tory governments preceding them. It takes years to fix these policies and mistakes. And to equate the miners predicament with the IT industry strikes me as very ill informed.

My only hope is that due to the cuts that must be made this new government will prove very unpopular and Labour will get back in.

I really do not understand how people can equate the years under Labour with the utter misery under Tory. And I did not personally suffer so much but I was not deaf and blind to what went on behind me. History is there to teach us not to make the same mistakes again.

I just don't trust the Tories as their underlying principles remain unchanged. I do feel devastated.

That was a great speech I thought, very generous etc.

All those feeling concerned about this should wait and see. He is not Margaret Thatcher.

If you are concerned about "justice" then you shouldn't be all that sad to see the back of a government that eroded civil liberties left right and centre, took us into an unjust, unwanted and pointless war and essentially handed over a tonne of public money firstly to the gold speculators and then to the banks (thus reducing what is in the kitty to help those most needy in society).

Change is sometimes good. And I am very pleased about the potential for referring to the Millibands and Mandleson as Milly, Molly, Mandy going forwards.

I will give the Tories a chance Belle- but I remain unconvinced that they are a changed party with a desire to help the most vulnerable in society.

Only as recently as last month DC himself suggested that voters should not to support a particular Lib Dem candidate because he had suffered with 'depression'. Incidents like that do not fill me with much confidence.

The Labour party completely changed MH community services for the better. I wouldnt be surprised if we go back to the days of the old asylums under the tory party. Most cost effective way of keeping community costs down and the 'mad people' off the streets.

we'll see.

I thought it was the Tories that introduced the much-maligned Care in the Community?

The problem for the miners was Arthur Scargill. He was a militant and was more interested in trying to bring down the establishment than securing the best deal for his members.
I was in no way trying to compare the situation of IT workers to the miners, but it is a fact that just as many people have lost their jobs under Labour as did under the last Tory government. You don't hear people blaming these losses purely on the Labour government, so why the double standards?

Emily - so the Tories have to make the cuts to rectify the reckless spending of the Labour party and you then want people to vote them out on the basis that it is unpopular. Unbelievable that you want back in the same party that have helped bring the economy to it's knees. Labour had 13 years to fix things and I don't care what you say they have made things worse not better.

That is not what I meant. Cuts will have to be made by whoever takes over. I want the Tories voted out because their basic principles are self serving and biased towards the affluent. Conservative ideology is flawed imo making any policy making flawed.

Shaz- introduced it as nothing more than a title.
Literally turfed thousands of mentally ill out into the stretts with no real 'care in the community' programme at all. The prison population shot up immediately.

It was labour who formed crisis teams, assertive outreach, early intervention etc etc.

Tories did not care then and will possibly not care much now.

I disagree, and frankly I get pissed off with the scare tactics of anti tories.

Given the Tories got it pretty wrong last time, I'm glad they've got some help this time.

Vesela, I think it might give people a bit more confidence and I think at the moment that has to be a good thing.

Do you think that the Tories will fund MY new business or will they assume that as I am a feckless single mum I am incapable of running one?
I do think that funding new businesses are important.
What gets me is that so many people on benefits have tiny babies whether they are single or in a couple. Iyt is the most expennsive time of life, yet the time when there is one, or in my case two, less wages. If the Tories wish to support the family they would do well to encourage new mums to stay at home for as long as possible in order to look after the kids.
Hell- they could do a huge amount for cupcake and bunting businesess!

I think that the Tories will be harsh I can't believe what Cameron said that about the Lib Dem with depression! What is the man on?

poshsinglemum - what did he say?

They're majorly cutting on scientific research. Just means industry will go elsewhere for new talent, and less money will be put into the country.

Didn't know Maggie sank the Sheffield - I always thought it was the Argentinians!!!

Yes, they are far superior and better than Labour or the liberals.

I think it's something to do with people being scared of having to stand on their own two feet, having to make decisions about what they can honestly afford and having to rely on their own efforts.

Labour did a lot of scaremongering before the election also, mind...

Mrs Thatcher closed down steel works and mines.

This would have happened at some point, anyway, as the country couldn't afford to subsidise them any longer. And the behaviour of the unions up until that point had done them no favours at all.

I'm old enough to remember what the unions were like. Google on 'restrictive trade union work practices in the British newspaper industry 1970s' if you want a reminder.

Where I think the Tories did go wrong was not to do more for the depressed areas post the shutdowns. But what are you going to do with thousands of men who've been trained to do heavy manual labour? They're not going to take to work in call centres. Perhaps more could and should have been done. But seriously, would you still want men going underground to scrape coal out? Surely nobody can miss that kind of dirty and dangerous labour?