My feed
Premium

Please
or
to access all these features

Politics

Why not liberate Scotland and then run with a conservative majority?

243 replies

Earthstar · 07/05/2010 17:08

Since Scotland is so mad for independence and is not homogenous with England why not set them free and then the Conservatives will have their majority?

OP posts:
fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:09

"Since Scotland is so mad for independence".

Well that is quite a generalisation, I didn't know that you had run a referendum on independence, or that everyone in Scotland had voted SNP.

Quattrocento · 07/05/2010 17:09

Are you sure that you want independence though?



Won't you miss all that lovely English money?

How will you fund all that free further education and stuff?

kerstina · 07/05/2010 17:10

Great idea then i would move up there to get away from the Tories !

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:10

Sheesh, do the English really resent the Scots that much.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:10

(resent/be jealous of the free further education it seems).

AngelaCarleen · 07/05/2010 17:13

The SNP only got 6 seats, why would you think the scots 'are mad for independence'?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:13

waits for more cliched generalising views of the Scots to appear.

longfingernailspaintedblue · 07/05/2010 17:13

What nonsense.

Yes, Scotland has more poverty on average than England on average. Yes, the devolved Parliament has different spending priorities. But it is a proud and fundamental member of the Union. There are few more important things than money, but our unity as a nation is one of them.

Why play into the hand of the Nats with this irresponsible talk? They will soon come over with their ridiculous "oil" figures, and you will hit them back with the RBS/HBOS bailout, and what have either of you gained?

Britain is stronger together.

I am quite warming to the idea of a Cameron/Clegg coalition. It will be a disaster but at least it appeals to our better instincts.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:14

"Are you sure that you want independence though?



Won't you miss all that lovely English money? "

how bloody patronising.

Earthstar · 07/05/2010 17:15

Err actually its the scots who hate the english ime - english accents don't make you popular in Scotland in my experience!

I think the scots have free prescriptions, college fees school lunches etc etc which is pretty unfair, and the scottish have voted very differently to England - why not let them make all their own decisions?

OP posts:
weegiemum · 07/05/2010 17:18

Don't make silly generalisations.

We don't have free prescriptions, free lunches etc.

Can't be doing with ignorant claptrap about Scotland from people who know nothing about us!

So we didn't vote Tory - somthing wrong with that? We have every right to vote for whoever we please.

And proud to keep the Tories from an outright majority!

HellenaHandcart · 07/05/2010 17:18
AngelaCarleen · 07/05/2010 17:18

prescriptions aren't free, it's £3.

Earthstar · 07/05/2010 17:19

does that really change the argument though Angela?

OP posts:
longfingernailspaintedblue · 07/05/2010 17:19

Earthstar

In return for no tuition fees and getting rid of prescription charges, and the like they have worse healthcare, and the quality of research at their universities is declining because of the lack of adequate funding. They get a block grant according to the Barnett formula (which does need modernising, I admit, but not in such a way to disadvantage them).

It is up to the Scottish Parliament whether they spend the money on subsidising prescriptions for those who can afford them, or on operations.

I am all for postcode lotteries providing there are proper chains of accountability. Localism gives power to local people. Personally, I would prefer to increase the accountability of the Scottish Parliament by giving it responsibility for raising at least some taxes, as well as just spending a fixed amount.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:20
weegiemum · 07/05/2010 17:20

And where on earth does the idea that we are "mad for independence" come from?

And we don't "hate the English".

expatinscotland · 07/05/2010 17:21

We don't have free school lunches.

weegiemum · 07/05/2010 17:23

Sure we do, expat. And the government pays our rent for us and all the trains are 2p a trip and there's countrywide free broadband and all our kids get £10 a day just to go to school.

Earthstar · 07/05/2010 17:23

Scotland really does have free school lunches - see here

and also free prescriptions - see here

and also free fees for University for FOUR years

How exactly is that reasonable?

OP posts:
expatinscotland · 07/05/2010 17:24

Hello, Earthstar, I live in Scotland and our council does not offer free school lunches unless you qualify based on low income.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:24

err if you read that properly it says "Proposals to abolish prescription charges".

They are NOT abolished and we do not have free prescriptions as many have said already. I think we who live here would know above you who has access to Google.

HellenaHandcart · 07/05/2010 17:24
fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:25

and some haggis?

weegiemum · 07/05/2010 17:26

Like expat I live here and I pay from school lunches every day.

And paid to pick up my prescription yesterday.

And our Uni is four years because secondary school is 6 years not 7.

Please don't spout rubbish when you don't knwo what you are talking about.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.