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Depressed Lefty red eye - The morning after the night before

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Nymphadora · 07/05/2010 12:01

Hello

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policywonk · 08/05/2010 13:01

Yes ISNT, things are definitely becoming more pluralised and that can only be a good thing, democratically speaking. (The cost of that of course is more support for fringe r-wing parties too.)

Anyone else finding that political excitement is bad for the waistline? I am mainlining chocolate and booze.

Just saw Portillo commenting placidly that no elected politician in Europe has any choice about fiscal policy as it will all be dictated by investors. nnnnNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGHHHhhhhh

electra · 08/05/2010 13:02

I don't mean right away - but I don't think it's a good idea for him to stay as leader for the long term. He's a good politician but not rigt for leadership imo.

MmeLindtChocBrownies · 08/05/2010 13:03

Could Labour and Lib Dems push through Electoral Reform against the wishes of a Tory minority government?

justaboutacompletedfamily · 08/05/2010 13:04

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Francagoestohollywood · 08/05/2010 13:05

I don't have anything constructive to say, but I'm reading this thread with great interest.
Can I just say that the only new channelò I get from Italy is SKYnews and it's highly irritating me?

Francagoestohollywood · 08/05/2010 13:06

Justabout, don't get me started on periods

MmeLindtChocBrownies · 08/05/2010 13:07

Blogged about the British Angst today.

I don't really understand why the electorate would not be persuadable that PR is the only right thing to do. (in a referendum)

Nothing I have read makes sense, the Tory objection to it (if you take away the fact the obvious point that it is HUGELY beneficial for them)

I have never been so politically outspoken. Even blogging about it. My mum will read my blog with a face, she is used to ramblings about the weather and the kids.

PfftThePinkoLeftyDragon · 08/05/2010 13:07

No Mme, because they have to agree not to gang up against them if they form a minority.

policywonk · 08/05/2010 13:09

That's what I think, Prolesworth

If LD agree a command and supply arrangement, Cons gvt could be fairly stable albeit not for a full term, and without getting the worst of their programme through.

Prolesworth · 08/05/2010 13:10

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taffetacat · 08/05/2010 13:10

DavidHameron - take your point about the comma but it does raise an implication, a suggestive eyebrow, n'est ce pas?

I am liking the look of Tom Clark in Guardian's LabLib potential coalition cabinet line up heading up by D Mil.

MmeLindtChocBrownies · 08/05/2010 13:12

Ah, ok. Thanks Pfft.

DavidHameron · 08/05/2010 13:13

I don't think a con-lib coalition will last even remotely a year, let alone a full term.

One word: Europe...

MmeLindtChocBrownies · 08/05/2010 13:14

I linked to this blog in my blog but it is worth posting here

Françoise Boucek reviews Cameron?s arguments against PR

policywonk · 08/05/2010 13:15

'Could Labour and Lib Dems push through Electoral Reform against the wishes of a Tory minority government?' - yes, technically they could. Together (and with certain support on this issue from Green, Plaid, SNP and SDLP) they'd have more votes than Tory and Ulster Unionists.

France - I turned Sky on just now (don't normally watch it - Murdoch ) and I thought something HUGE had happened. After a while it became apparent that they just make an ENORMOUS FUSS ALL THE TIME. And Kay Burley is a very odd colour.

Justa - I remember the first postnatal period, esp after DS1 - was like torrential lochia all over again.

MmeLindtChocBrownies · 08/05/2010 13:17

Franca
Sky News is so busy being important. All this BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS. They could do with a foot massage and a cup of tea.

policywonk · 08/05/2010 13:18

Pfft - I think they only have to agree not to gang up if they agree command and supply? And even that only applies to not voting down core Cons bills, rather than promising not to generate their own legislation?

taffetacat · 08/05/2010 13:18

lol @ policy's Sky description

Quattrocento · 08/05/2010 13:20

ROFL at "Allow immigrants to stay, but hunt them for sport"

Hysterical

ImSoNotTelling · 08/05/2010 13:21

PR sounds a bit like the sort of thing those pesky european types might get up to

Francagoestohollywood · 08/05/2010 13:22

at skynews. It's crap isn't it. We also get Foxnews, which is even worse.
I'm reading the guardian online at the moment and feel better, somehow.

MmeLindtChocBrownies · 08/05/2010 13:23

Imnottelling
Yes, they start with PR, then they will drink wine and eat cheese and before long you are naked in the sauna and the car keys are in a bowl in the hall.

PfftThePinkoLeftyDragon · 08/05/2010 13:24

ahh right pwonk....

I am fuzzy on the rules, making it up as I go along

Pendulum · 08/05/2010 13:50

I am a labour voter and I am feeling quite chipper about all this. I wouldn't actually support a Lib/ Lab pact: I don't think it would ever shake off the reputation of having "stolen" the election, and coupled with the economic horror to come it could just about condemn the left to permanent opposition.

My feeling is that NC will not enter a coalition with the Tories. If there is any deal with them it will be a "supply and competence" arrangement that gives them just enough support to vote through key decisions. The other possible outcome IMHO is that the Tories will have to muddle thruogh with a minority gvmt.

Reasons to be cheerful in either case:

  • Whatever happens, the Tories do not have enough power to vote for their more right-wing policies. Anything they do from now on will be checked, either by a coalition partner or by the prospect of a defeat vote.
  • Nick Clegg and the Lib team could not abandon their principles for a shot at power, even if they were so inclined (and I don't think they are). They are currently taking views from all party members at local level to feed in to the executive committee meeting tonight. NC will not be able to act without the endorsement of this committee. And I don't think they will go for any deal that does not include a firm commitment on PR.

-The tough and unpopular decisions will bear the stamp of Cameron and Osborne. Labour can keep its hands clean and regroup.

Most of all I am cheerful because immediately before the election, I had begun to think that the entire country had lurched to the right. I despaired at the con of the Big Society and the influence of the Murdoch media. The election has shown that the Tories have not made much headway beyond their core vote, despite the telegenic hamshine. The country now has a progressive majority. And NC has the leverage he needs to ensure that future elections will reflect that fact.

ImSoNotTelling · 08/05/2010 13:51

It's a slippery slope mmelindt