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Depressed lefties sign in here...

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WilfSell · 02/05/2010 20:20

...on the grounds that if we assume there will be a Tory govt, then the crowing triumphalism of all the Chinless Wonders and Thrusting Monetarists and Nasty Racists who'll poke in here to crow and gloat, will somehow force a cosmic rift in the time-space continuum. And it will be like 1992 all over again but the other way round.

I fear the best we can hope for is a hung parliament.

I've suggested hemlock for the Election Night supper thread...

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taffetacat · 02/05/2010 22:19

Yes DH was crowing over the Guardian. He's always taken the piss out of me reading it anyway.

My problem is I am idealistic in my voting rather than pragmatic. The most depressing thing at the moment for me are the mulititude of posters on other threads that just talk about their voting preference being entirely linked to whats in it for them. That attitude is Thatcher's legacy.

zippy539 · 02/05/2010 22:19

Signing in sadly too.

Really can't bear the thought of it. I want to shake people who are going to vote Tory and scream in their faces 'YOU KNOW NOT WHAT YOU DO!!!'

And breathe...

MagicMountain · 02/05/2010 22:19

Ho hum ...

Grigsy · 02/05/2010 22:19

How about you contact your local Labour MP and see if you can help out?

Go to You Tube and Plug in:

Common People 2010

Relax, have a laugh and don't believe the Polls, the Papers or the News. The Labour party are activists, campaigners and we are fighting for what we all believe in: fairness above all.

xx

onebatmother · 02/05/2010 22:19

Oh Takver yes! I completely remember unpicking the feminism/leftism thing with Thatcher - and thereafter being enRAGEd every time any of the Bufton Tufton's in my parents circle said 'if that's Women's Lib, I will drink from the trough' or whatever other fuckwit thing they thought appropriate to say to an over-involved 11 year old.

zippy539 · 02/05/2010 22:21

Agree Taffetacat. You are 100% right.

JackiePaper · 02/05/2010 22:21

I remember when the Tories got back in in 1992. It was the first time I had seem my Father cry.

ZephirineDrouhin · 02/05/2010 22:22

Signing in too. Feeling v gloomy about the future.

It's hard to imagine what Cameron would have to do to fuck up in the current climate. Amazing to watch him euphemistically talking about "tough choices and difficult decisions" regarding massive public spending cuts, and in the same breath vow to raise the Inheritance Tax threshold. Why aren't we rioting in the streets about this?

Janos · 02/05/2010 22:25

Also agree taffetacat.

I will never, ever understand the conservative mindset.

Actually, I'm profoundly glad about that.

newyorkshire · 02/05/2010 22:27

I remember when Tony Blair got in...The whole country cried for JOY.

Heathcliffscathy · 02/05/2010 22:29

onebat:

labour have FUCKED our legislature, destroyed the concept of ministerial responsibility, trampled all over civil liberties, and no I cannot and will not 'set the war aside' (!?).

they are morally bankrupt in the worst way. they have proven themselves time and time again to be just as corrupt as the tories. and educational standards have fallen since they've been in.

so no I don't agree that they're alright really deep down...honest. In fact I'm furious with thecunts them.

and NC has only said he will not deal with GB. GB not labour. and that's absolutely right: GB has NO MANDATE AT ALL. WHATSOEVER.

allegrageller · 02/05/2010 22:31

yes newyorkshire...and we were crying for a different reason a few years later weren't we (I still haven't got over the war...)

as bad as it's got, it can get so much worse. I think GB is the closest we're going to get to a principled leader for this country and because he isn't cameragenic enough (basically) and happens to have bumped into a global recession, he is out in favour of a younger model.

I hope to god we do have a hung parliament with a Lib Lab coalition. Anything else and I am going to tar and feather myself and walk down the street ringing a bell: 'bring out your dead public sector workers'...

Heathcliffscathy · 02/05/2010 22:31

actually combusting with the kind of rage that results from betrayal here...am so surprised you don't feel the same tbh.

allegrageller · 02/05/2010 22:33

oh I did sophable, really. I marched against the war and was ignored along with the other millions. I've watched the country be sold out to Tesco and Offshore Plc. If there was a real socialist alternative to vote for, I would be.

taffetacat · 02/05/2010 22:34

" I think GB is the closest we're going to get to a principled leader for this country and because he isn't cameragenic enough (basically) and happens to have bumped into a global recession, he is out in favour of a younger model."

Succinctly put allegra. Off to bed for a sob.

Heathcliffscathy · 02/05/2010 22:34

GB, if he was not going to do the right thing and put himself to the vote which he hasn't should have

a) distanced himself from the decision to go to war (whoops, he couldn't do that, he agreed with it)

b) gone back to his alleged principled roots and really taken the bull by the horns and used his time and his majority to really do some social democratic work in this country.

he has done FUCK ALL.

and that was pre crash.

i'm sick of his portrayal as this eyeore like victim of mediaslick tony et al...he didn't fucking stand up did he? he wasn't counted? he's first against the wall.

onebatmother · 02/05/2010 22:35

The truth is Sophable, that I count those failures lower than I count horror of a Tory government, which is what we're about to have.

And I probably don't believe that a LibDem govt would have behave vastly differently, had it the responsibility of governing progressively in a fundamentally non-progressive global environment.

weblette · 02/05/2010 22:35

I find it all profoundly depressing. Labour to my very bones but when Blair said yes to Iraq my conscience said NO.

Completely and utterly opposed to the Tory mindset/agenda, horrified that they are likely to be in charge.

So in a resolutely Blue area, with a ridiculously unconvincing Labour candidate, what choice do I have but to vote Lib Dem - at least he has a chance of shaking the current Tory dustbin.

allegrageller · 02/05/2010 22:35

I do know all that sophable...but we are dealing here with the not-great as opposed to the really, really f**cking awful (a Con govt or LibCon coalition. Shudder).

Heathcliffscathy · 02/05/2010 22:35

allegra i marched (was pregnant with ds) and was also ignored.

haven't voted for them since.

allegrageller · 02/05/2010 22:36

And somehow when I look at Clegg my brain mutters 'never trust an ex Tory'....

allegrageller · 02/05/2010 22:37

yeah I was pg too sophable, with ds1...

There was a lot of unity and hope that day which all went to sh*te of course. And I think that EVERYONE in power at that time including GB must bear responsibility for that. That doesn't mean I don't still see him as the least worst alternative right now.

Janos · 02/05/2010 22:38

That'll be why he says that the Lib Dems have taken Labour's place in politics then, and why he believes the race is between him and Cameron?

If things were going Labour's way Clegg would be hotfooting it over to GB faster than you can say proprtional representation.

Heathcliffscathy · 02/05/2010 22:38

it was a fundamentally progressive european environment though wasn't it? i didn't see france or germany queueing up to go to war without a second UN resolution did you...

sorry NO EXCUSE.

and fwiw, i think this is an example of what you're accusing the tories of: you're pitting a domestic employment agenda against breaking international law with the resultant destabilisation of the area, nevermind the millions dead. shame.

TheCrackFox · 02/05/2010 22:38

I will never vote Labour again because of the Iraq war. What was the point of the war? so Tony could earn $20million on the American lecture circuit? If GB had any priciples he would have resigned instead he said nothing and signed the cheques. He was far more interested in furthering his career than standing up for his beliefs.