What do with think will be in Labour’s budget?

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They don’t seem to be giving much away but any indication that they might help kickstart the economy or are we just going to get £2 bus fares, £45 off our elec bill a year and petrol prices on google map? None of Labour polices seem to help anyone that is really struggling but isn’t in receipt of UC! I’m speaking as a single mother who is trying to sell a property to move on with my life but can’t. Yes I know I’ve very fortunate to have bricks and mortar but that doesn’t mean I’m loaded (because the property isn’t worth much)! I feel like everyone is expecting the chancellor pull a rabbit out of a hat but I think we’ll all be very disappointed/pissed off!

This was your statement you made, in YOUR post, that I was replying to.

QUOTE " A £2 bus fare doesn’t help most working people!"

I said it does, because cheaper bus fares helps working people. And that the money people save on bus fares might be spent in your small business.

But you have just twisted it to make it about people on benefits. So just say what you want this thread to be about. It's yet another benefits bashing thread. I would say anyone could put forward a fully detailed post about economics here, and your reply no matter what would be " But what about people on benefits?"

I was going to go into privatized busses v public ownership etc, but good thing I never bothered, because you would just say.. BUT BENEFITS.

Goodness me.

Burman said when he was campaigning that he would "respect the result of the Brexit referendum" and that there was "no need to revisit all the arguments again"
https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/nobody-was-expecting-this-burnham-u-turn-on-road-back-to-europe-leaves-whitehall-reeling
(rest of article behind a pay-wall)
He's now done a "Starmer" and reneged on that.

@RedTagAlanhow does it help most working people? Genuinely! The savings are so minimal, just the same as the ‘we will shave £45’ off your electricity bill! That doesn’t touch the sides when you’re paying £250 a month on electricity (my flat is all electric)! If you read my posts I don’t bash people on benefits, I don’t have a problem with hard working people getting a top up or the disabled getting them. I do have a problem with 2 adults with five kids not working and crying ‘mental health’ if their mental health was that bad why decide to have another child! It was then you decided to say my example was ‘hypothetical’ which again, it isn’t! As I asked before, if we all cried mental health and had five kids and didn’t work how would we pay for anything in this country? Where do you draw the line @RedTagAlan

The same % as voted for any UK PM. That is how the system works. They stand for election in a constituency, And if they get 20k votes or 30K, the difference is statistically insignificant relative to the UK population.

You all miss my point which is we cannot cut benefits without pissing some section of the public off.
Pensioners have a very loud voice but the triple lock is insane and lots and lots of pensioners do not need the winter fuel allowance. But governments are generally scared of upsetting such a large group. I am pleased to see this government looking at tackling these issues.
over the past 20 years or so people have stopped caring about other people so much and decided that any gove4nment who doesn’t specifically help their group is awful.
Near where I live a new hospital is to be built to replace the existing one which is falling down. You’d think that was a good thing, wouldn’t you? Oh my, it most certainly pissed off a very vocal bunch of people who do not like a) the new location despite the old one being nearly inaccessible by public transport, they don’t like anything about it b) the new location because it will affect their property ptices, etc etc etc.
You cannot please people any more and usually the reason for that is because of the millions of ‘illegal’ migrants. Even if you are in the middle of Manchester 😂

Pretty much everyone I know was better off 3 years ago.

Quite, look at what happened in Wales.

Yes, in a roundabout way.

If the government stopped paying people more and more for each child, they’d stop having more than they could afford. It’s not complicated.

I worked 25 years F/T for the NHS in a clinical capacity and was having a third of my salary being taken out in stoppages. As far as I'm concerned I have paid for my pension.

Well, unfortunately for you the rules don’t agree with you. You’re still ten years short. I, on the other hand, had 44 years contributions and I didn’t pay for mine. I paid the pensions of my parents’ and grandparents’ generations. The next generations are paying mine.

How did that work out during the eight years the two child cap was in force?

Because the government are literally TAKING money from our businesses to support these families.

In 2024 my business had 11 people employed. Now it has 5. Work demand is still high, but trying to get people to work is impossible because they can genuinely have a nice enough life on benefits so why bother, and then when we did get people employed the NIC were just crippling.
Add that to all the other costs on business and it is just heartbreaking when we have put our lives into it, and here come Labour with the grabbing bowl.

And why are Labour grabbing our money? To honour their pledges on increasing welfare spending.

They could promote growth by ending the fiscal drag in the tax system which would put money directly back into the hands of middle / higher income earners who would then go out and spend it. But they won't because those sweet extra taxes they are raking in from inflation are to fund the triple lock and winter cruise allowance.

I expect there will be some minor tinkering, a token bit of benefit bashing to satisfy the Daily Fail brigade, fuck all for education, some shifting of figures to make it look like the NHS is getting "record amounts of funding", and a spiel about hope for the future. Maybe a bit of funding for apprenticeships so that young people can continue to be shafted with below minimum wage placements that lead to worthless qualifications and no job.

And the UK will continue its slow and steady managed decline - becoming a care home with nuclear weapons.

5600 less 3rd children born a year, so it obviously made some people think.

But who to?

If they don't overhaul the benefits bill, the whole system will collapse. Look after yourself. Don't expect some random stranger to feed and house you. Unless you are unable to obviously but the bar for that needs to be really high.

Andy B wasn't even an MP originally.
He had a job in Local Government, then shoved a sitting MP out as part of a plot to get in as leader.
He's a 'snake in the grass' and I would trust a word that comes out of his mouth.

I agree.
I don't have a problem with benefits being used as a safety net, which was what they were originally intended for, but not a life-style choice.
And as I have said previously I don't count Pensions as a 'benefit'.
If Andy B & Co want to do something useful they can stop this tide of economic migrants and spongers coming across the channel who get just about every benefit going.

A mayor isn’t a job in local government.

Mainly none-UK born parents who have about 5 kids on average and don't work.

Then how would you describe it ?

And have you noticed that no-one on the Front Bench has ever run a business?
Says it all.🙄

I get sick of saying it but the gap between the lifestyle of someone working and not working should be massive. But it isn't. So why bother.

I didn’t like the way Keir Starmer was ousted, either. I think it is shameful and embarrassing the number of Prime Ministers we have cycled through since Brexit. But unfortunately, we seem to have cultivated a political discourse in this country where the electorate are restless, and divided and calling for a politician’s head on a spike every time there aren’t immediate solutions to complex, long term problems. You can see it in this thread. I am not sure what the answer is, but I do think at least Andy Burnham has put forward pragmatic, economically sound proposals, like adjusting the triple lock, despite the political risk. I’m keen to see what the budget actually brings.

@JimBobsWife

Taxes were not low under the Tories.

As was unemployment.

Incompetency and ideologicay fuelled terror and meltdown.