Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

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I agree, I was just doom scrolling Facebook and saw two videos on conspiracy theories, absolte and utter batshit stuff, like she was taken out due to about to reveal deep state stuff.

there seems to be this thought process from some of these loons the public should be told everything right away, that no information should be released that might make the killer think he’s safe, whilst they work it out.

some even going on about thr distance, for a perfectly doable journey.

I understand it’s attention seeking, but it’s sick. We saw it with Nicola bulley, we saw it with the poor sisters who drowned, the loons come crawling out and make shit up, it’s so distasteful and always so wrong.

Yes good point about Nocola. Her poor boyfriend and kids. These Colombos are not helpful.

The Nicola Bulley debacle was awful. People turning up in real life to sleuth and snooping round people’s properties. As a dog owner with the same outfit, it was obvious the poor woman had tumbled down the bank getting the ball.

It’s reasonably harmless if people are discussing timelines for Ann’s killer, and actually unearthing information which could be useful (a signatory to social action or whatever) but some of the conspiracy theories are clearly political. I’ve been served up left wing and right wing ones - and neither should be lapped up and spread.

I'm starting to see the conspiracy theorists actually making direct and specific accusations now, whereas before there was lots of just hinting at things being 'off.'

Much as I predicted, I've now seen one from the nuttier left wing perspective that very strongly suggests it was an inside job by Reform to stop all this probing into NF's 5m donation and to shore up his argument for expensive security. Another angle to this 'inside job' theory is because AW found out some bad stuff from within Reform that she was going to blow the whistle on.

From the nuttier end of the right wing perspective, there is an insistence that we are being gaslit as to the culprit's ethnicity. This seems to be based around the fact that the court sketch of JK in the dock looked like someone else entirely, specifically someone of a darker skin tone. Not obviously black, just potentially not white. All this was surmised from a pencil sketch. I agree it didn't look at all like him, but these court sketches often don't accurately resemble the person we know to be in the dock, because we've seen photos of them. So while it is a very wide of the mark sketch, that in itself means nothing.

I notice a second sketch has now been issued to the public and the man looks distinctly more white and more Joshua Kerry like than the first one 😂Someone on high obviously said 'For god's sake man, you've really set the cat among the pigeons now with that. Get another one done by a different artist immediately, we need to nip this in the bud.'

Although much lighter in colour and bit more accurate, the new one is still not instantly recognisable as JK.

These people on the nuttier side of the right seem to want us to believe that a different man altogether is actually being held and charged and we are being spoon fed this fictitious Joshua Kerry person so we don't all go out and riot when we see that the real culprit is actually olive skinned or brown. How they think the police and the government are going to keep this pretence up when it goes to public trial is anyone's guess.

Agree

I understand it’s attention seeking, but it’s sick. We saw it with Nicola bulley, we saw it with the poor sisters who drowned, the loons come crawling out and make shit up, it’s so distasteful and always so wrong.

I don’t think that’s right. More often than not, it’s just people trying to make the senseless make sense. Yes, there are always going to be people who will try to make any particular event fit their own agenda, left and right, but mostly they’re just searching for an explanation for the inexplicable. As for ‘making shit up’ - not always. People were accused of making shit up, when they suggested that things didn’t add up in the case of the Wimbledon school crash. Anyone who questioned the narrative of the driver having suffered a random seizure was vilified on threads on here. Now she’s facing charges of death by dangerous driving. Sometimes the truth only emerges after questions are asked. It’s important to keep an open mind, rather than shut yourself in an echo chamber, whatever your opinions.

I agree to some extent with that. When posters demand “Let the police do their job” and “You will know after the court case” they always seem to be the type of posters who have an interest in shutting things down .

I was really attacked on the Wimbledon driver thread (although received many messages of support) by posters who clearly had an angle . Also on the Crocodile Incident thread there were those determined that there should be little discussion -nothing to see here; unfortunate but one of those things etc etc.

I fear that in real life the “Shut Up” people have a lot of sway. I saw that a whistleblower in the case of the Nottingham killer says he was told to pipe down about their lax attitude towards dangerous patients.

As much as I think some of the theories over AW are batshit, I do agree with to a large extent. Whenever there is a large group of people all working fervently to discredit one person and to shut them down or ban them it does make me extra curious to hear what it is they have to say. And then I'll make my own mind up whether they are talking nonsense or not.

Yes, agreed, and the headteacher who was pressured by mental health professionals to tone down her assessment of the Southport killer, because of 'racial profiling'. She had originally assessed him as being sinister, which turned out to be true.

This is why people are losing faith in the system. We need a lot more honesty from all concerned.

That's what Ann Widdecombe herself agreed with.

Nobody is trying to shut anything down. The only people doing that are those who murder people for their opinions. What Ann agreed with was advocacy of one's own principles and beliefs. I don"t believe supposition about her killer and who might have "really" done it covers that.

In all of those cases though it was obvious who the culprit was and there was not doubt over that. The doubt was about the causes of the attacks/incidents. Some posters on here are rejecting clear evidence that this person committed the attack, despite the police disclosing their evidence in court and saying he couldn't have driven from his place to the other when it was obvious he could. The motivations may be in dispute but why would you be so adamant that a person who was found with the murder weapon in their house couldn't have done it?

This is why I am surprised this evidence has been released. Guilty before going to court.

It was the evidence they needed to present to the judge to get him remanded in custody though. I presume it was something to do with the terrorism offences that they needed to show they had a lot of evidence that needed to be investigated.

This.

We know what evidence the police said they have. We do not know the quality of that evidence, nor do we know the defence case. It may be that the CCTV shows the attack but doesn't include a clear shot of the attacker's face. It may be that there is an innocent explanation for Kerry being in possession of the items the police found. And so on.

The press are entitled to report what the prosecution said in court. It would be surprising if Kerry didn't look guilty at this stage. But, like any other defendant, he is entitled to the presumption of innocence.

Yes, he's an "escape goat", it's all a cover up (but nobody says what for), and the police are all in on it with the CPS, the deep state and various politicians who've been named. I don't mind engaging in debate and discussion but not this 🦇 💩 dialogue.

My apologies. I think I misread your earlier post. Absolutely agree with you.

Exactly. Or he may have admitted it all the facts that are in the public domain now in police interview. We just don’t know

It is a high bar and quite specific. I would think the clear evidence of premeditation would be likely to stand against him there.

Yes. You have to be ' suffering from such a defect of reason as to not knowing what you were doing, or not know that what you were doing was wrong'. As he's driven hundreds of miles I doubt he'd succeed on the first, and it would be very difficult to show he was so deluded that he didn't realise murdering old ladies was wrong, otherwise no terrorist would ever be guilty. They could all say they thought they were doing a righteous thing. In any case, would a 28 year old choose indefinite stay in a mental hospital over 20-30 in prison? Maybe he'd plead not guilty and just say nothing. Then it's up to the prosecution to make sure their evidence is watertight.

Counterterrorism police have now reopened the case of an attempted burglary from last year at her property

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62qrvd9303o

Hang on. My mistake. It doesn't actually say that it was her property in London. Just an attempted burglary.

Possibly at another office?

No arrests were made at the time and the investigation was closed pending any new lines of inquiry.
On Friday Counter Terrorism Policing said a line of inquiry had been identified that was not "pursued by them at the time".

It may have been updated as it's saying now that it was Farage's home not AW's.

Interesting that they have announced it.

Yes, it does show that politicians on the right are at risk of being attacked as they have far left and Islamist fanatics against them. Left wing politicians have far right terrorists against them, but on balance I think people on the right are more at risk.

It's really anti-democratic if people feel their lawful ideology will make them a target.

It's only going to get worse. Those attacking others for their political position are no marks in my eyes. I'm not talking about the scum who murder politicians - they deserve the most severe punishment - but the other lot who throw milkshakes and eggs at MPs. Then you've got that complete and utter paid tosspot agitator Steve Bray. Standing in the background but close enough to GBN journalists interviewing Reform. Standing there chuntering to himself and mocking. The biggest intolerant nob going. Given what's just gone off with another attack on a politician, he should have been ushered away. Well done for GBN just ignoring him and carrying on with the interviews.