Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

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I’m sure I read that the suspect’s siblings are all older than him whereas the first man arrested was 26 - ie two years younger. Also, I read that the first man arrested was a delivery driver/courier, which would fit with the reports of the van spotted near her house.

Presumably the suspect was identified once police went through the camera footage and used ANPR to trace the red Corsa.

So what is the basis of the conspiracy theory then? There clearly is one but it's all hints and heavily coded comments about why nothing is making sense (and I agree they may have a point) but no actual accusations of what they think is really going on.

If they want to say that the police are suppressing information about it really being a muslim terror related incident or a recent black 'boat' migrant or whatever, then why not just say it? They are usually quick enough to point the finger very specifically, based on hearsay and witness evidence from the local area, whether it ends up being right or wrong. So why so coy where this is concerned? And do they honestly think they'd go as far as to arrest and charge some innocent sad sack with no friends just to throw everyone off the scent of the real murderer so we don't have a mutiny on our hands?

Even if he pleads guilty it will still be reported. There will be statements from the police setting out their evidence.

Oh fair enough, presumably the car movements were a different line of inquiry. There's certainly a lot to look at. I hope the counter terrorism aspect bears fruit, it would be awful to think there were more like him out there.

Exactly. If the police are prepared to go as far as fitting up and innocent man in such a high profile case then it would certainly not be beyond their abilities to tamper with the 'evidence' to make it fit. Are people really saying that the police are clever, cunning and corrupt enough to do that but too dim to get their ducks in a row on the most fundamental details? They are hardly going to take a case to court on the basis of a car journey that google maps says is virtually impossible in the timeline. And yet people keep insisting this is the case.

Also since it was revealed that the weapon was a hammer, I've seen lots of 'oh, so not a wooden stick/baton after all then?' As if those witness reports were outright lies. Is there really not a scenario in which they can imagine that a hammer, especially when held by the business end, could look very much like the 12 inch wooden pole or stick is was described as, from CCTV?? Are these people thick or just wilfully obtuse?

I don't understand what is driving this reluctance to believe the police have a credible suspect in custody, from activists on the further side of the right. I mean if it turns out Kerry held far left wing ideologies and we are told his motive was a hatred of Reform then that plays into the hands of the right quite nicely anyway, so why try to suggest it was someone/something else entirely?

I can see why people on the more 'progressive' side of the left might be highly motivated to steer people away from that idea though, and to suggest that some 'far right terrorist' did it.

But given the target was big in Reform and big on Brexit and big on traditional, conservative Christian values, that makes no sense at all.

Unless, as I suggested before, people on the 'progressive left' want us to think it's an inside Reform job in the vein of 'The American government blew up the twin towers themselves as justification to start a war. in the middle east.'

But then plenty of those types think the Trump assassination attempt was staged and he had an exploding bag of blood strapped to his ear which he managed to press the button on at the exact second a shot was fired, and then some innocent boy who was a trans ally agreed to wait on a roof then be shot dead by members of the Trump's security forces, to help out the Trump plan.

I mean, really.....

It’s a bit of both, I t

What happened there?!

Anyway, I think it’s a combination of some people thinking it’s too odd to be true ( well it is all odd - but the facts speak for themselves) and maybe enjoying sleuthing (analysing route etc) and those on the Left who didn’t like AW anyway and are disappointed it wasn’t a random burglar rather than some angry crazed anarchist or whatever he is.

Yawn - "Driving with Miss Daisy".

But you are right it's not possible in that time if you are a particularly slow driver.

There is a lot of "Words are literal violence" on the Left when it comes to people questioning them but funnily enough their words aren't "literal violence" when they want to behead women who have a different point of view, say people on the Right should be excluded from society, want to " globalise the Intifada" and hope elderly women were handcuffed screaming to their beds as they were bludgeoned to death. Then they don't "literally" mean it!

From what I have seen from having had a delve online it is not the progressive left pushing the conspiracy angle. What is being hinted at is that Ann Widdecombe had discovered something the establishment had rather she didn't. Just batshit stuff.

Depressing. Poor Ann she doesn’t deserve this on top of the brutality.

This is the kind of thing an obsessive nut job would do. I read about an American woman who strapped on an adult nappy and drove nonstop for a million hours to go and confront a husband who was having an affair - she might have murdered him too. I don’t understand the all opinions are valid stance - they aren’t. You can tell me the earth is flat or the moon is made of cheese but I don’t have to take you seriously. If you can’t fathom that a person managed to do a journey in the amount of time predicted by Google then I don’t know what anyone can say to you anyway other than ‘you do you’.

I know there's another specific thread on this running, but I do hope Herbert gets the book thrown at him. Now the brutal circumstances of Ann's murder have been released, it questions Aberdeen University's reluctance to sack him. Maybe they are waiting on further news about his arrest but I can't believe anybody with any decency would want to work with him again. Not to mention prospective students. Freedom of speech legislation and right to assembly is long overdue a revisit. There's so much hate out there and it DOES need curbing. It's how far we go with it is the question.

Hahahaha... Have a look at something called 'Average Speed Cameras' especially enroute to Devon!! Although you probably only potter to the local shops in your teeny tiny car! 😂

Oh right, you mean DM FACTS?
Nope!
Just gullible narrow-minded people! 🙄

There is nothing to laugh or pisstake about here. If you want that, off you pop to another thread please. Thinking you know better than the police is bad enough but these driving jibes are in poor taste.

I think most of the speculation is driven by people trying to make sense of what is a horribly brutal and very bizarre occurrence with unfortunate Midsomer Murders overtones - peaceful village, deep in the countryside, well-known elderly lady living quietly, savagely murdered - I mean it is almost unbelievable. Why would someone drive down from Rotherham to Haytor, straight to AW’s house, within a very tight timeline, as though they were familiar with exactly where it was, launch a murderous attack, and leave for home after 2 minutes? No wonder speculation is rife. It’s human nature for people to want there to be an explanation, when awful things happen.

Agree

No, just people who have more decency and respect.

"Karen" 🙄.

Agree with this. To be honest it hasn't been handled very well regarding communication from both police forces. So that left MSM get the "exclusive" headlines in, which was disturbing and distasteful.

Fascinated that people think that a man who brutally murdered an elderly woman would have paid a blind bit of notice to speed cameras or speed limits. My travel app says it is 4 hr 30min journey right now, without speeding.

You can't speed in traffic that's backed up, especially when you leave during that time of the morning with school runs and rush hour.