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Ann Widdecombe Thread 2

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dapsnotplimsolls · Yesterday 11:48

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BadgerInTheAirDuct · Yesterday 16:10

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · Yesterday 12:46

The Police don't investigate burglaries anymore. Even if caught, burglars are spared prison. Where is the deterrent?

That's not true.

JoshLymanSwagger · Yesterday 16:11

NotDavidTennant · Yesterday 16:05

Her having been found be a carer seems to be misinformation. Reports are now that she was found by her gardener.

She was still active in politics as the immigration and justice spokesperson for the Reform Party so she can't have been that frail.

OK, let me reframe my position.

I'm a mid-50s female.

Unless my, and let's make an assumption that it's a male, attacker was in very poor health and over 70, I doubt I could overpower them.

There was no car at the property - so I have made an assumption that she either had a driver or a regular taxi service. A lot of her TV stuff was remote, from her home.

ElenOfTheWays · Yesterday 16:12

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Indeed. Many "hurtful" tweets to investigate no doubt. 🙄

FWC2026 · Yesterday 16:12

Choux · Yesterday 15:28

No one is found by an ambulance crew as someone needs to have found the person first to call the ambulance.

If the gardener found her, as reported by the DM, it did occur to me that he might have been the 26 year old arrested. It could be that he had been at the house gardening on Weds afternoon while having no idea that she was dead inside and he just thought she was out. His phone put him in the village on Weds afternoon so he was a suspect. Then the 12.30 time of death came back from post mortem and messaging with the tv team and he could show he was elsewhere at that time so he is no longer a suspect.

It's possible, I suppose, but surely he would have given the Emergency services his name and number when he rang them so a manhunt wouldn't have been necessary???

There are so many different stories now about who found her, God only knows what the truth is, I just hope they find the bastard that did it and he never see daylight again.

Whatever her views, she didn't deserve this 💕

BeardofHagrid · Yesterday 16:15

It wouldn’t surprise me if it will involve one of those door to door salesmen, some of them become incredibly aggressive when you say you’re not interested. They are a particular problem in the countryside during the summer.

I always thought that Ann wasn’t careful enough about herself, she was open to a dangerous degree.

GLOBALBEES · Yesterday 16:16

ifonly4 · Yesterday 15:22

In reality, sadly many of us wouldn't have an idea immediately next to us we could try and use to protect ourselves. Also, Ann was a small elderly lady, who apparently struggled to move around, so poor lady probably didn't stand a chance. Whoever, also probably had easy access of many of us have a window or door open somewhere in this heat, no warning of someone forcing a door open.

There must be something the police know, to give such a specific deadline of 12.30, ie they're not saying 12.30-12.45.

Ahed been on a skype call and was due to join an online meeting a few minutes later. She didn't log in,which was unusual for her

parlona · Yesterday 16:17

I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but I never go upstairs or to the front of the house without locking the back door and patio doors first. Yes, even in this hot weather. It only takes seconds and burglaries while not common around here are opportunistic too. I don't leave downstairs front windows open either if I'm in the back of the house. I too live on my own so I am probably that bit more wary.

Simple precautions and OK, maybe I am over cautious, but I prefer that than to suffer the awful fate of Ann W. RIP.

JoshLymanSwagger · Yesterday 16:17

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Yesterday 16:10

💯.
These threads were already starting to take a turn when I stopped reading last night. But Jesus, reading them this afternoon is something else.

I am actually finding it very upsetting the thought that she was lay alone in her house for a whole day before anyone found her. Possibly because until recently I had a beloved, elderly aunt who lived alone and very rurally. It was always in the back of my head the (admittedly very small) chance that someone would break in to her isolated house.

Me too, although it was a cousin of a parent.
Her sons lived further away. I was the one who took her shopping once a week.
When there were really bad storms I wanted her to come to stay with us in our guest room with it's own bathroom.
Not a chance.
She was born in her house, if the roof blew off, then she'd go with it.
Stubborn?
Yeah, but the most sensible well, sometimes and strongest woman I've met.
Would she be able to fend off a burglar?
No.

PerkingFaintly · Yesterday 16:19

PerkingFaintly · Yesterday 15:30

Jill Dando wasn't murdered in her own home.

She was murdered outside on her doorstep when she had just arrived at the house. A doorstep which was nearly on the street and was very overlooked. There's no possibility whatsoever that it was a burglary gone wrong.

The only things that seem to be in common here are that the victim was a woman; and that she'd been on TV a lot. Which over a timespan of more than a quarter of a century hardly seems a run.

I think posters trying to shoehorn Dando into this are shit-stirring for drama, to be honest.Hmm

By the way, I'm not saying the murder of Ann Widdecombe definitely was a burglary gone wrong. More information needed there, and who knows what the answer will be.

I'm just saying that with the information currently available to us, Jo Public, a burglary currently looks very plausible. So for posters to come out with "Ooh, made me think of Dando"... Nah it didn't.Hmm

Ditto any bollocks about "never solved" – when the investigation is only hours old.

Shit-stirring for drama.Angry

Naunet · Yesterday 16:20

Erys · Yesterday 15:24

The fact that you're using statistics about violence to collectively demonize men and trans women is an example of pushing people into getting angry. Domestic violence doesn't happen just to women, and women typically aren't killed for their sex in this country. Women also assault men, and same sex couples assault each other as well, and there's no pathologizing about that. They're simply viewed as abusive partners, but when someone who happens to be a man who hits someone who happens to be a woman. then it's 'violence against woman'. You can see the contradiction in play when the subject of violence against trans people comes up. When a trans person is assaulted or killed, people like yourself come along and say "But who says they were killed for being trans? Maybe it was for another reason." So where does that sentiment go when men hit or kill women? Who says it's because they're women? The fact that it mostly happens in relationships is a testament that men aren't generally just going around assaulting women just for being women. It's not the same as gay bashing.

"Women in the UK have not been killing or threatening to kill trans identified people"

Anti trans people, both men and women, have celebrated the suicides and murders of trans people, whether they personally make threats or not, which was my point. They aren't against violence toward trans people. It's a prejudiced movement. When you trivialize people's trauma and mental health issues regarding their sex as a violent, perverse, woman hating sex fantasy, the way most anti trans people do, then why would you expect anything but a negative response? And violent and extremist rhetoric exists for all causes. Even animal rights activism is full of threats and abuse and at times even terrorist activity. A cause shouldn't be defined by bad behaviour. Anti abortion activism has at least 11 murders associated with it, that doesn't have any bearing on the anti abortion argument or stance. The same applies to everything else, including trans people.

If you're reaction to people who disagree with you is to instantly brand them hateful bigots, then you're the bully in that scenario.

This thread is about a murdered woman, show some class and respect and take your poor menz/TRA crap somewhere else.

FWC2026 · Yesterday 16:24

BeardofHagrid · Yesterday 16:15

It wouldn’t surprise me if it will involve one of those door to door salesmen, some of them become incredibly aggressive when you say you’re not interested. They are a particular problem in the countryside during the summer.

I always thought that Ann wasn’t careful enough about herself, she was open to a dangerous degree.

They can be intimidating & pretty horrible, but murder?

That a bit victim blamey. We shouldn't have to lock our houses up like Fort Knox and carry self-defence items simply to be safe in our homes.

PeachOctopus · Yesterday 16:26

NewPinkJacket · Yesterday 13:33

Could've been off his face on drugs or mentally deranged.

Both of those things could stop a person worrying about the consequences.

She lives in a very remote location though, and so the attacker would have had to drive there, which shows evidence that it was a planned attack.

ElenOfTheWays · Yesterday 16:28

Erys · Yesterday 15:24

The fact that you're using statistics about violence to collectively demonize men and trans women is an example of pushing people into getting angry. Domestic violence doesn't happen just to women, and women typically aren't killed for their sex in this country. Women also assault men, and same sex couples assault each other as well, and there's no pathologizing about that. They're simply viewed as abusive partners, but when someone who happens to be a man who hits someone who happens to be a woman. then it's 'violence against woman'. You can see the contradiction in play when the subject of violence against trans people comes up. When a trans person is assaulted or killed, people like yourself come along and say "But who says they were killed for being trans? Maybe it was for another reason." So where does that sentiment go when men hit or kill women? Who says it's because they're women? The fact that it mostly happens in relationships is a testament that men aren't generally just going around assaulting women just for being women. It's not the same as gay bashing.

"Women in the UK have not been killing or threatening to kill trans identified people"

Anti trans people, both men and women, have celebrated the suicides and murders of trans people, whether they personally make threats or not, which was my point. They aren't against violence toward trans people. It's a prejudiced movement. When you trivialize people's trauma and mental health issues regarding their sex as a violent, perverse, woman hating sex fantasy, the way most anti trans people do, then why would you expect anything but a negative response? And violent and extremist rhetoric exists for all causes. Even animal rights activism is full of threats and abuse and at times even terrorist activity. A cause shouldn't be defined by bad behaviour. Anti abortion activism has at least 11 murders associated with it, that doesn't have any bearing on the anti abortion argument or stance. The same applies to everything else, including trans people.

If you're reaction to people who disagree with you is to instantly brand them hateful bigots, then you're the bully in that scenario.

If you're (sic) reaction to people who disagree with you is to instantly brand them hateful bigots, then you're the bully in that scenario.

Oh the irony.
This is exactly what TRAs do to women who disagree with them - constantly and on a loop.

And what they and many others are doing to Ann Widdecombe right now

They are indeed bullies who also use this accusation of bigotry to justify threats of violence as well as ACTUAL violence against the women who dare to disagree with them. Or, to celebrate their death and hope they suffered (see also Magdalen Berns)

maudelovesharold · Yesterday 16:28

chirrupybird · Yesterday 14:28

The problem is you don't walk about with it in your hand all the time with your finger on the trigger and pointed in the right direction. It would be fine if the assailant gave you time to get it out point and spray, but chances are they already hit you twice. And it gives a false sense of safety, I've got my spray so I'm OK going down that dark alley, or cutting through the woods.

I think maybe if people thought they were in a risky situation, or area, they would be, for example, holding a spray in their pocket with their finger on the spray button and on high alert. It’s in situations where you don’t feel at risk - in your own home, let’s say, where your guard is down.

FWC2026 · Yesterday 16:28

PerkingFaintly · Yesterday 16:19

By the way, I'm not saying the murder of Ann Widdecombe definitely was a burglary gone wrong. More information needed there, and who knows what the answer will be.

I'm just saying that with the information currently available to us, Jo Public, a burglary currently looks very plausible. So for posters to come out with "Ooh, made me think of Dando"... Nah it didn't.Hmm

Ditto any bollocks about "never solved" – when the investigation is only hours old.

Shit-stirring for drama.Angry

I personally think a burglary gone wrong in the middle of the day. In such a tiny time gap , is highly unlikely. I think it's far more likely to be somebody not quite right thinking taking against one of her more radical thoughts.

It's incredibly sad, however it has come about

pinkstripeycat · Yesterday 16:30

ilovesooty · Yesterday 13:03

I'm both a woman and an older person and I think this is an appalling suggestion.

You do know it rarely causes permanent damage don’t you? Even then it would have to be A LOT. It could save your life.

icingonmycupcake · Yesterday 16:31

Of course we needed another thread. God forbid that we don't accommodate the needs of the amateur 'sleuths' and conspiracy theorists among us.

Hopefully Detectives involved in the case will be following MN closely for well researched clues and evidence.

Have at it I guess. 🤨

Boomer55 · Yesterday 16:31

ShakyBake · Yesterday 15:47

I've just had a length conversation with my husband Clive, about this. Both of the opinion there is, or will be, a massive cover up

Cover up?. I didn’t agree with her on anything, but I can’t imagine she was ever involved in anything that would require a ‘cover up’. 🤷‍♀️

LlynTegid · Yesterday 16:36

May Ann Widdecombe rest in peace. I hope whatever the motive, the murderer is caught and faces justice.

FWC2026 · Yesterday 16:36

RoyalCorgi · Yesterday 15:43

Good to see that everyone has taken heed of the police instruction not to speculate online.

This has to be one of the craziest threads I've seen on Mumsnet, but the poster who wrote that the Devon police should have better things to do than investigate murder (LIKE WHAT?) takes the biscuit.

You're obviously quite new to MN then. Welcome.

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 16:43

ShakyBake · Yesterday 15:47

I've just had a length conversation with my husband Clive, about this. Both of the opinion there is, or will be, a massive cover up

Why would you think that?

MrsBunny2018 · Yesterday 16:46

Why do people keep prefacing their messages with 'I don't agree with her views but..' ?! Completely irrelevant and suggests there's something wrong with having opinions. Nobody cares if you agree or not. What's horrible is that she was murdered in her home.

EastGrinstead · Yesterday 16:48

PeachOctopus · Yesterday 16:26

She lives in a very remote location though, and so the attacker would have had to drive there, which shows evidence that it was a planned attack.

This is not a given. Ann Widdecombe's home is surrounded by several houses and outbuildings.

It is entirely possible that a burglar broke in, completely unaware that anyone was inside.

Boomer55 · Yesterday 16:54

MrsBunny2018 · Yesterday 16:46

Why do people keep prefacing their messages with 'I don't agree with her views but..' ?! Completely irrelevant and suggests there's something wrong with having opinions. Nobody cares if you agree or not. What's horrible is that she was murdered in her home.

I think it’s because, on one of the threads somewhere, if anyone just expressed sympathy, they were accused of being anti gay, racist Reform supporters yada yada . 🙄

Which most weren't - they were just shocked and sad that an older woman could be attacked like this in her own home.

GLOBALBEES · Yesterday 16:55

EastGrinstead · Yesterday 16:48

This is not a given. Ann Widdecombe's home is surrounded by several houses and outbuildings.

It is entirely possible that a burglar broke in, completely unaware that anyone was inside.

At lunchtime, in broad daylight?