Ann Widdecombe Thread 2

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Just because that person fled to Yorkshire doesn’t mean they live there.

Well once the person is charged (if they are), all talk will cease, so say it now, within the law or else...

She’s probably more well off than most people in that area plus because she’s famous so he’d have known that she lived alone etc and was expected to be out all day (not realising she was WFH).

The police are open-minded about a motive so maybe not a relative?

I know either way her murder is awful, but I think it would be less of a trauma for the family if the person is a stranger/unrelated/unconnected. We'll see.

I don’t think the murder was premeditated in unless it was an ex lover or something but I doubt it.

He could be from Yorkshire and just got out of prison or visiting the area and went to her home before going home, thinking he’d never be associated with it.

Or he could be local and then had links to Yorkshire where he fled.

Most people would flee after killing someone.

Why couldn't South Yorkshire Police carry out the arrest on their own?

Edited to add - without the assistance of Counter Terrorism Policing North East. Unless they were covering all bases with an open mind.

It would be Devon and Cornwall units case.

I think other units help but they don’t completely take over.

Yorkshire has its own stuff to deal with.

That entirely depends on what information they have about him to assess both flight risk and risk of resistance or risk of harm during the arrest.

It’s completely normal for agencies to work together on national cases.

It clearly wasn’t a random burglary was it. Political or not, she became someone’s target.

The police 'press conference' wasn't a press conference. It was a statement essentially saying we have nothing to state beyond what is already known.

The press are reporting that it's not politically motivated as a statement, however that isn't what was said. The police said there is nothing thus far to suggest same.

It’s very very rare for burglars to escalate to murder just because they got the timing wrong. Let alone in the middle of the day, where the victim was posing no threat.

they flee and come back another time.

no way was this burglary gone wrong.

It would be Devon and Cornwall units case

Yes, we know that - but if you have 'ruled out' terrorism/political motive, why then, ask for assistance from a counter terrorism unit in another part of the country?

https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/northeast/

Christ.

Stop trying to make this political. The police have confirmed, multiple times, there was no political angle.

This is getting ridiculous now. In all probability it was not a burglary given the facts, however given she was a high profile woman with contraversial views it is likely that someone had a vendetta against her. You don't need to be a detective to know where in the balance of probability one should start looking for a motive yet for some reason the police are stressing there is no evidence it is politically motivated. Elderly women are not generally bludgeoned by burglars, lovers or goodness knows what other unlikely motive that is being put forward. Given who she was it is MOST likely this was political now it is clear she did not know the suspect. Why not start looking there!!!!! This is becoming a joke.

They haven't listen to the careful wording they state there is no evidence it is political. Perhaps they are not looking hard enough.

Also remember c24 hours ago the police had the wrong bloke arrested!! Also they have only recently come off special measures that Constabulary are in well over their heads with what they are capable of.

I'm not making it political - I've already posted;

To mention again - I think they are only covering all bases just in case.

I’m assuming you’re an adult but I find it hard to believe that you think it is possible in such short space of time to rule out a political motive. It could take weeks to trawl through an individuals private possessions and online activity to find clues. And that’s assuming they wrote down anything inside their head.

Keeping an open mind means ALL possibilities. It’s naive to think otherwise.

You so desperately want this to be politically motivated. Why?

You lot aren't very good at googling.

Give us a hint then. What are you googling ?

Let's not forget thar Starmer's house was fire bombed.

I don't recall calls for more security.

Farage making this all about him is very bad taste.

"Ann Widdecombe conspiracy theories"?

For the same reason that other posters are desperately wanting this to be a burglary.

To spell this out the right (especially Reform) want this to be political so that a) the left can be shown to be the violent un democratic and extremists and b) it helps Farage on his current £5m gift for security investigation/ scandal.

The left want this to be a simple burglary for the opposite of the above reasons.

For sake of clarity the police have not said it was not politically motivated, they have said at this time there is no evidence to suggest it was politically motivated. They are very different views.

I read that nothing was stolen, so it certainly doesn't look like a random burglary now (I did think that was possible when they arrested a local man, rumoured to be a handyman or the gardener, but now that h's been eliminated in favour of someone who seems to be from much farther away, that's looking less likely.

I suppose he could still be a local man who then fled to family or friends in Yorkshire, but if he's actually from there, that's not just a robbery.