Starmer's resigned

[Sadcafe]

So the admittedly boring but truly decent PM has announced his resignation and the egotistical, pompous Burnham will doubtless become PM. God help the country

Labour's 2005 manifesto also pledged to hold a national referendum on a proposed EU Constitutional Treaty - which was subsequently fudged as the Lisbon Treaty. The Labour government claimed the revised treaty was not the same thing so they did not hold the promised referendum. However, over 90% of the Lisbon Treaty was identical to the original document. Gordon Brown arranged his diary so he had an excuse not to be filmed with the other heads of government signing the controversial treaty.

March 2008
The negotiation of the Lisbon Treaty has been one of the most shameful episodes in the history of the present Government, and the ratification has been even more disgraceful, says William Rees-Mogg [Jacob's father]

https://moneyweek.com/21227/why-the-lisbon-treaty-is-labours-disgrace

Saw him on GB news I think it was recently, he was rambling a load of nonsense TBH.

Must be a bit past it now - he's 93!

Yes, still using his fame though to pump an agenda, being part of Thatcher"s government gives them lasting association with the public.

Perhaps he needs the money or perhaps he's bored doing old stuff.

Or funded by a globalist agenda to use his public face to push that agenda, backfired though because it just came across as out of touch nonsense.

The sight of Starmer bumbling away today on defence is almost unbearable, they just showed about half a minute of the speech though then cut to something else, LOL, can"t we just switch him off now?

Is Burnham going to be any better apart from a bit less bumbling?

He’ll be gone soon

'Almost unbearable' come on! If you have the stomach for GBNews then your sensibilities can't be all that delicate.

No, he might be worse because he will try out all his mad-cap plans that were rejected the the last two times he tried to become leader.

As with Sky news I take in about 10 minutes a day, that"s all you need, they just repeat the same shite all day long, Bloomberg used to be interesting but it has been dumbed down a lot recently, basically they just want mugs to keep piling into the stock market.

Yes and let us not forget that we did not ask for Brexit. It was not anything that was felt strongly amongst the general public.

We didn’t protest or even write a
proliferation of letters to our MPs.

It was engineered by a few conservatives who stood to gain by it.

And yes, the loss is quantifiable. Aside from the wider economics stated by Heseltine and Major (old and wise but by no means stupid), we no longer have freedom of movement within the EU.

When I was young, moons ago, I was able to move around Europe freely. I worked and studied without penalty. It was bloody brilliant.

Well Starmer (and Streeting) are pretty fucking bungling.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/jul/01/us-uk-drug-deal-could-result-in-229000-excess-deaths-in-england-analysis-suggests

Half the population didn't vote, under 16's for example were denied the vote anyway
The kamikaze result was voted for by just over half of those who voted, not the whole population.
I was watching the vine show on 5. Subject was Farage and whether he should have all the side jobs. (personally I think being an MP should be your one and only job and should not leave you time for any others). It was pointed out that he is rarely seen in his constituency. Cue 2 callers going on about it being a witch hunt and that whatever he did they would vote for him. It is mind-blowing.
Maybe not as much as fishermen on a boat with him on the Thames when he didn't attend meetings about fishing rights for them when in the EU

It wasn't just the referendum though. Lots of people voted in the 2015 general election for Cameron because he promised the referendum. Then in 2019, Boris won a landslide in the GE by promising to "make Brexit happen". So there were actually 3 public votes which were won, wholly or partly, on the Brexit platform.

The Conservative win in 2015 is attributed to the collapse in the LibDem vote by most commentators. The leave vote in the referendum was 37% of the total electorate and more people voted for other parties than the Tories in 2019. It’s absolute nonsense to attribute those results to support for Brexit.

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Not forgetting that UKIP was the largest party in the European elections in 2014;

Nigel Farage has unleashed his much-promised political earthquake across British politics as Ukip stormed to victory in the European elections, performing powerfully across the country.

The Eurosceptic party's victory marked the first time in modern history that neither Labour nor the Conservatives have won a British national election.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-european-elections-political-earthquake

Yep, it was very obvious the direction people wanted to go in.

Similar to Labour"s landslide not being support for KS? Or different?

Research data doesn't support this. In 2014 only 8% of the electorate felt the issue was of significance and it didn't feature at all in reasons people gave for voting for Cameron, which were belief the Conservatives would fix the economy, confidence in his alleged strong leadership, and fear of a Labour SNP coalition.
You are correct that 'get Brexit done' got Johnson in, but only by herding together 82% of the leave voters from across the spectrum, and adding them to the usual Tory vote.
Some of the latter didn't vote leave, but it was inevitable by that point, so might as well crack on. Not to be confused with high levels of support for it.

Yes total nonsense. But why let the actual facts get in the way of mindless rhetoric.