Starmer's resigned

[Sadcafe]

So the admittedly boring but truly decent PM has announced his resignation and the egotistical, pompous Burnham will doubtless become PM. God help the country

Interesting. Political ambition ahead of the country’s need. Sums it up for me.

I'd be very interested to look at a North vs South split in posters. Quite a few people seem to know very little about him despite him having had multiple cabinet roles in the past.

Agree. Luckily, bots can't vote as evidenced by the Greens fantastic win in Gorton and Burnhams trouncing of Reform in Makerfield.

But Yvette hasn't made much of an impression after 3 high profile jobs.

Starmer couldn't get anything done because of the far left of his party who want to tax everyone even more and give away more of taxpayers money.

There is only 18 pages of posts. How many individual posters is that ? maybe 100 ?

I would not call that representative.

I agree she's fairly useless. I do think they're an odd couple though. He has a slight twinkle in his eye and she always has very a sour face.

No, it's a small number of people for sure.

Hate to break it to you, but there are very few lefties left in Labour, none in the Cabinet, and they have no power on the NEC, why do you think Corbyn was able to be undermined at every step, as confirmed by the Fforde Report, which showed his own party was working against him? Also, Andy Burnham is not left. He's never been among the socialist groupings on the left of the party. I wish he was, because I am a lefty, but he really isn't. The current cabinet reads like a Who's Who of Labour Friends of Israel. They seem to be the only MPs who get selected and funded these days. I wish more folks would wonder why that is and whether its good for our democracy.

Quote : "The current cabinet reads like a Who's Who of Labour Friends of Israel"

Are people on the left not allowed to support Isreal ?

Hahaha, oh my aching sides. That you think that the left of the Labour Party has any influence these days is hilarious. How many on the left of the party are in the Cabinet? I'll help you out, its 0. Most have left the party (Zarah Sultana, Jeremy Corbyn), or had the whip removed (e.g John McDonnell), or are just relegated to the back benches and have no influence (e.g Barry Gardiner).

It isn"t effective anymore, they are hammering away at the message but large numbers of people are tuned out.

At least nobody on this thread is on about the weather.

How on earth do you know anything about her personal hygeine? What a weird comment to make.

No thankyou.

The issue for me was also the cowardice which had him agree not just to a referendum but a simple majority to keep UKIP off his back. A recipe for a decade of division whichever way it went.

There is a reason why most sensible democracies require a 2/3 majority or similar for major constitutional change - anything less results in division, anger and constant attempts to reverse the result even after the huge costs have been expended.

Its ten years since that 1-2% margin and we still have politicians pretending we can waltz back into the EU without taking a massive additional hit.

I am also wondering this?

The current cabinet reads like a Who's Who of Labour Friends of Israel. They seem to be the only MPs who get selected and funded these days. I wish more folks would wonder why that is and whether its good for our democracy.

What do you mean about wondering why that is?

Starmer was fantastic on the world stage, other world leaders seemed to really like him, I saw him chatting away in French to Macron a few times and you could tell from their body language they got on like a house on fire. There was some summit on the news this week and he was clearly very popular with many other leaders too. Perhaps in time he could be Foreign Sec, s along with PM and Chancellor, its one of the big 3 offices of state and I think he's proved he'd be great at it - if he wants it. He'll probably feeling very disillusioned with politics right now.

The only long standing member of no 10 is Larry the cat 😂

he has seen off maybe 10 PM over the last 20 years

he is the most stable member of any of our government and could probably do the job with one swipe of his paw and a flick of his tail

Would you want to stay in a cabinet led by the man who had been gunning for you since the election and the backstabber in chief - Miliband.

Starmer wasn’t a great party leader, its a temperament thing. As others have said he would likely have been better suited to FS.
I felt until very recently that the least worst option was to announce he wouldn’t lead them into the next election but would stay until then. I wasn’t happy about the way people were thrown under the bus over Mandelson and the specifics in some of the resignation letters (especially Healy’s) and some of the leaked McFadden comments made me rethink.

However I’m even less happy that the situation has been manipulated to parachute n someone who wasn’t even in the elected Parliament and who has had no scrutiny of his policies. Someone whose skillset primarily consists of charisma but who declined to deploy that skill to support the Labour government. I am unsurprised that its yet another pale, male and stale candidate. I am surprised who few people are seeing Miliband's fingers in this - he is angling for Chancellor, hasn’t been particularly secretive about it.

But they didn't gun for Tory PMs in the same way at all. In fact, even the BBC came in to bat for Boris Johnson when he was clearly sloshed at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday, swaying and laying the wreath upside down according to disgusted veterans who were there. They showed footage of the year before instead, so as not to show he was clearly pissed, and then that also gave them the excuse not to show Jeremy Corbyn staying behind to chat to the old veterans, while BJ cleared off to fet to the drinks reception afterward, where he got even more slaughtered by all accounts. He was a disgrace and the press in this country covered for him time and time again. And let's not even get started on the whole COVID missing all the COBRA meetings, shaking hands with COVID patients, PPE/VIP Lane debacle, fraud and malpractice on a massive scale, all presided over by a lazy buffoon.

Macron, another one the public didn" want. Looking cozy at a leaders event isn"t what is required from a British PM unfortunately, people are looking for vision, leadership and communication skills. KS unfortunately had none of these skills, not on the big stage anyway.

Larry is a good judge of character, too. He hid under a car and hissed at Trump. He would never have appointed Mandelson.

I Have allowed????
it’s politicians like AR that say one thing then another when it’s suits

What are you most hoping that Andy Burnham will do to improve things?

I just can't see him being better but it's good that you do