Healey Resignation

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John Healey resigns! Another nail in SKS's coffin, or the only way to force a showdown?

The government is taxing the shit out of employers.

Maybe start there.

Reducing that tax could be part of incentivising employers to take on young people.

Thank you @NoWordForFluffy

So the text is:

"Badenoch also gave the clearest answer to what I find the most tedious question in British politics: whether there will be a pact or deal between Reform and the Tories. The truth is obvious: there won’t be unless there needs to be, though that is more likely after a general election than before it.

Badenoch says the Tories could win and claims there is a ‘high chance’ she will become prime minister. But asked explicitly whether she would be prepared to put Farage into No. 10 if he fell short of a majority, she made it clear the answer is yes: ‘This country cannot have another left-wing government.’

She ruled out standing down candidates or an arrangement to target resources so the two parties could focus on different seats, however. ‘We don’t need to do a pact… deals, non-aggression pacts. These things end up falling apart anyway.’ Instead, Badenoch implied she would accept a confidence and supply deal to ‘deliver a conservative agenda’."

So what @BIossomtoes was saying is Spectator's, her and SM interpretation.

There is no quotation of Kemi saying that she'd do the pact. And Kemi herself actively denied these assumptions, the links I posted above.

Can't beat active misrepresentations though, when trying to damage a leader's credibility. 🙄

Thank you!
Blossomtoes maybe you don’t know what it’s like to be the parent of a young person who is desperate to not only find any kind of work, but to have some hope of an actual career?
I do. Im sick of people blaming the youth, blaming the parents- YOU try being 18/19/20 and unemployed. It’s fucking soul destroying.
And fwiw my kid has a switched on pushy mum giving good advice, spurring him on. Still just nowhere- not even rejections mostly, just radio silence. Even work experience and volunteering is incredibly hard to get into.
In my experience of several young people in this situation- they are highly motivated, but all the government does is raise minimum wage for jobs they can’t get.

Yep.

Milburn's whole point is that the problem is architectural so you cannot just create yet another scheme.

It's changing education (incentivise universities to offer degree apprenticeships and HTQs) AND reducing tax burden on employers to make more entry level positions available AND addressing mental health support for CYP.

In fact, if I were re-setting government, I would start with a single "north star" of, what will make life better in the next decade for a person who is now 16?

So defence, jobs, hands on education, effective MH support geared at resilience and managing.

Not so much protecting the triple lock and breakfast clubs.

Same here. My 24 year old cannot find decent work. Infact change that cannot find any full time work anywhere. A number of large employers, ie, Next are only offering max of 15 hrs contract unless it is a management post. And you can’t have two 15 hr contracts. I reckon that’s so they pay minimal employer NI as opposed to full NI with a 37 hr employee. This is govt legislation that has done that. Most orgs don’t even reply or allow feedback. It’s appalling.

I know he could go into care work as I’ve been told here, but he doesn’t want to do intimate care for elderly. It’s not a path he wants.

Have you tried sitting him
down for a bit of a chat on that?

It's changing education (incentivise universities to offer degree apprenticeships and HTQs) AND reducing tax burden on employers to make more entry level positions available AND addressing mental health support for CYP.

AND repel Labour Rights Bill - because who in sane mind will now employ and young "untested" person if they can't get rid if things go wrong. We weren't in Wild West before mostly, but NI+NMW+this Bill - well, who could have thought it will make things a little bit challenging. Especially given AI

That’s why I suggested a solution. Is anyone actually reading my posts before they go into attack mode?

Yes.

We can read them, we can’t make them make sense.

So initiatives to create more jobs for the nearly one million young people who have never worked, funded by the consequent savings in benefits doesn’t make sense. OK.

It does. It makes perfect sense and should be one of the priorities.

The issue is that you propose to increase taxes first, then to create jobs / training programs and then hope that benefits bill might decrease.

The reason why many posters oppose this idea is because we can't bear any more taxation and for economy to start creating jobs taxes need to drop first. And t make it happen we need to decrease benefits bill.

I don’t think I’ve made myself clear. I don’t propose raising taxes at all. My suggestion is to incentivise employers to offer apprenticeships and jobs specifically to young people on benefits. You could exempt employers’ NI contributions for a period for that specific job or offer tax breaks. As people come off benefits the money is recycled into the scheme to create further jobs or apprenticeships. At worst it would be cost neutral, at best it would generate money to the Treasury via income tax and employees’ NI.

agree completely.

You were posting a lot that 1p tax increase would generate money whilst not making material difference to taxpayer so I might have misunderstood you.

In parallel to what you propose the benefits should be made time limited, so people have to make an effort.

@nearlylovemyusername Many employers can find good enough employees without scraping the barrel. Too many young people cite many reasons why they cannot work. Employers don’t find them to be suitable employees for a variety of reasons. In some cases the incentives would have to be massive! Some young unemployed people do deserve a chance and would be great employees but we would be inventing jobs for the rest and employers aren’t going to do it!

All unemployed young people deserve a chance. Since Brexit there’s a shortage of skilled trades people. We need bricklayers, plumbers, electricians. That’s not inventing jobs, it’s filling a need. We simply can’t have nearly a million young people languishing on benefits for the rest of their lives - have you read the Milburn report?

Sorry to have vanished for 48 hours. Back now!

@BlossomtoesYou are confusing a perceived need being the same as employing people. Not the same thing at all. Competent trades get work but they don’t want the cost of employing young people. Some do and college courses are available, but employers want good young people, not ones who are flaky, want extra time to complete anything, have behaviour issues or simply aren’t interested. All young people never got employed in the good old days either. There were more jobs for the totally unskilled but employers won’t put in the effort if it costs too much - at the moment it does. Plus the results of their investment aren’t always great!

So you think a million young people are useless and just want to write them off @MeetMeOnTheCorner? Good luck to all of you when you need tradesmen in 20 years time with that attitude. I’ll be dead so it won’t bother me.

I agree, and disagree. I don't think all young people are useless, but I also think that many young people expect someone else to do the heavy lifting for them.

They’re never going to get any better unless they start getting acquainted with the real world and work.

Maybe we should incentivise weekend jobs for 16 year olds which have all but vanished and make work experience in school compulsory.

I find it really sad that Saturday jobs seem to be a thing of the past. I did various jobs from age about 14, as so did most of my friends.

From 16 I worked in a fashion shop on a Saturday, delivered local papers once a week, did a rota of Sunday work in a sweet shop, filled in a cleaning job for cleaners on holiday, where all the ladies were picked up in a van and off we went. Actually I learned from that job that the cleaner always gets first blame, so not to touch things left on desks. Over many years of office jobs later, if I hear anyone complaining about a cleaner just cleaning around their things, I try to stick up for them.

At college, I signed on for temp work and worked in various places over the summer break. I was in the office, but in a factory environment I chatted to women who’d worked their lives there on the production lines.

All these things were fantastic experience at such a young age. I think it was more the interaction with different people, environments, industry types, customers, the public, etc that was the most valuable, not the typing invoices, or unwrapping and hanging clothes deliveries in the back room.

I would hope that with the shortage of tradespeople and the difficulties of finding graduate work more young people would want to learn a trade. They are desperately needed.
However my roofers were telling me the other day that they can't find an apprentice who turns up and is willing to learn. The first few weeks go well, then the slacking starts. The roofers are young men themselves, before they are accused of being grumpy older men.
A former pupil of mine, also a roofer, was bright but not academically inclined at school. Now in his thirties he has his own very successful business. He got stuck in as an apprentice and is doing really well.
However an excellent painter and decorator of my acquaintance who teaches part-time at the local college is depressed at the lack of funding for his courses. Hardly any materials are available which leads to boring lessons and lack of motivation for the trainees. This is a scandalous situation.