Healey Resignation

[Papyrophile]

John Healey resigns! Another nail in SKS's coffin, or the only way to force a showdown?

what does 1p mean then?

1 penny on what amount???

I actually agree with you. I had a Saturday job and then worked in the same place during the school holidays.

My hairdresser has been hit three times with the recent changes. He takes on a lot of young apprentices. He is now having a rethink.

NI increase
Increase in NMW
Selling expensive hair products that can be brought cheaper online.

He also told me he often gets the Mum’s of young people coming in if they feel their precious child is being picked on or one came in and in front of the shop said her daughter needed to take some MH days and it wasn’t right that she was given eye rolls when she returned.

Quite honestly - some young people have no experience of anything in the work place and their parents have indulged them to such an extent that are in for a big shock when working.

1p in the £

I don't understand concept of 1p though.

There are 39.1m taxpayers in UK. 1p each? per months? it's 4.7m pa, it's not even loose change.

But you are not working now?

So are you talking about tax that you used to pay?

So 1%?

One more penny to every pound we earn?

ok, thank you.

so 1p in a £ does mean 1% of extra income tax. On the top of already high taxes on net contributors. And I'm sure you know that the amount spent on welfare has already exceeded all income tax taken.

So let's increase taxes even more.

The thresholds were higher so only a few paid higher rate tax and there was no highest rate tax which we now have at 45% plus a few decades ago you could drop unlimited amounts into your pension.

Why penalise people who have paid national insurance? It’s just attacking anyone who has contributed.
Working people need to be rewarded and those making a life out of benefits need to be stopped and that money used to defend us and improve our health care.
Its no longer sustainable to keep taking from the ever reducing number of people who people up, or have propped up, society.

You can never tax your way to growth. The high earners who are often mobile will leave the UK.

The highest rate was 90%. There were very few pension schemes and many of them were closed to women.

No one should expect the State Pension to support them at retirement. You need a private pension. If you choose not to work then don’t be surprised when all you are living on is the SP.

There can’t be many who still think he can survive.

how many people were on welfare at that time? or better - what was % of welfare bill vs income tax receipts?

That really isn’t true. Both my parents had private pensions. I had one too. I was never told it wasn’t open to me as a women!

To spare anyone's blushes, my DH (who has a very small but successful business) is still working, not flat out, at 70. We take our earnings each month, to cover our costs -- including our DC who's on apprentice wages in the SE, which means we subsidise the cost of the roof over their head every month. Theoretically we could take on an extra person, but we won't.

Because the ones we have employed for 10 years are gold dust.

Because we are too small to carry passengers.
But we have given our staff a 7.5% pay increase and a bonus payment too within the last month, because we can't afford to lose them.

So, no, I'd disagree that all businesses are rapacious cunts.

We need to look at this whole MH bandwagon re benefits

Is your google broken? You can check it out as easily as me. Not that I can see the relevance. I’m using 1972 as my reference year.

I can’t help feeling that part of the anger around the welfare bill is that the payoff for the working taxpayer is completely unbalanced. Public services, schools, roads, all are being sacrificed for welfare, social care, and a bloated NHS. So we pay income tax, National Insurance, council tax, all the other kinds of tax, occupational pension, bus fares, prescription charges, and so on - and fair enough - but the return is less and less, and now the government has been stupid enough to walk into a defence v welfare framing of the situation.

Agree but this useless LP are clueless.

So clueless! What were they doing all that time in opposition, twiddling their thumbs?

Carping from the sidelines but learning no lessons.

Maybe we need to make sure our defences are robust and maybe just maybe we cannot fund some health concerns people might have.

Kemi is really sounding good but the Conservatives won’t get in next time. Labour are finished but who does that leave…