What do you think of Lammy's comments on taking the knee?

[ForSnappySwan]

David Lammy has said he wouldn't take the knee for Nowak as it's just symbolism.

He was asked why did he take the knee for George Floyd, and he said it was different then because we were in a pandemic.

What do you think? I think he's right about the first point but don't understand what the knee has got to do with the pandemic.

There was another Labour MP on Newsnight this week who's clearly embarrassed that she took the knee and said something like "it was right then but that's in the past now and we shouldn't go back to it"

@Bromptotoo why did you think Floyd was a recovering addict?

The shooting of Sasha Johnson comes to mind.

Or pretend she didn’t know about UK politicians taking the knee to honour a drug addict career criminal who hated women…

Why do you suspect that a repeated criminal was falsely accused?

You’re lying about him being a recovering addict, lying about not knowing HK politicians knelt in his honour, and now working to pretend he was not being arrested for yet another crime.

Why? Why this dishonesty to defend scum?

And the mask slips further when the lefty liberals respond with racist insults inferring that the right wing black person is not authentically black. As if your skin colour somehow should dictate your political views.

It's worth noting that the Communists and National Socialists (Nazis) both hated capitalism. The key difference was that the communists divided society by class whereas the Nazis divided society by race.

Sadly it seems that some people still wish to compartmentalise society by race (especially where they are "victims") rather than a society where your skin colour is irrelevant and what matters more is your content of character and achievements.

I disagree with Lammy. But not at all surprised by his gutless (and predictable) response. Pandemic indeed. What a load of bollocks.

You do know that the Nazis weren't socialists?

Yep, move along, nothing to see here 🙄

Yes, it was. But the upsurge in knife crime where black youth have featured disproportionately as perpetrators and victims, has been an unintended consequence.

People were saying ‘white lefties’ led this. I was disagreeing with that opinion.

Well the the Nazi 25-point program (of 1920) promised wealth redistribution, profit-sharing in heavy industries, and the nationalization of trusts.

A key difference between the communists and Nazis was that the communists took over businesses and industries and then shot the owners. Whereas instead of abolishing private property, the Nazis imposed state control over the means of production , with the owners either agreeing or being shot.

Businesses remained privately owned but were heavily regulated, and owners were compelled to operate in the interests of the Nazi State (or be shot).

The Nazis regime also implemented massive public works programs (such as the Autobahn) and established state-run leisure and benefit organizations to ensure worker loyalty and morale.

So in terms of economic policies the Nazis were most definitely left wing.

Interesting. Yes, fascism definitely includes some socialist elements. Nazi = NSDAP = National Socialist German Workers Party.

You can't be serious

The Nazis didn't hate capitalism, they loved it. They were big fans of private property and free competition

They certainly didn't support unions or workers rights,

Unintended but absolutely predictable, and predicted.

Couldn't care less. Has he grown a cervix yet?

A quote from Hitler in ha 1932 address outlining his economic views:
"I am a socialist because it seems incomprehensible to me to care for and treat a machine with care, but to allow the noblest representative of work, man himself, to degenerate".

From a conversation with Benito Mussolini on April 22, 1944:
"Capitalism too had run its course, the nations were no longer willing to stand for it".

I don't know what you are basing your opinions on but economically Hitler and the Nazis we're most definitely left wing.

Do you know what the Nazis did with socialists?

My opinions are formed by history records/books.

This sort of jargon makes me despair honestly. The only people I know in real life who rant on like this are people who spend too much time on the Internet and not enough time engaging with people in real life.

It's a really sad sign of the times.

Sadiq Khan is part of 'the left' that this poster is talking about, I'm not sure that anyone can argue that he doesn't care. Sadiq Khan has spoken repeatedly and publicly about the disproportionate impact of serious violence on Black Londoners, especially young Black men.

And has done what in his 10 years to combat it?

Yes, the Nazis rounded up Socialists, trade unionists and Communists and put them in concentration camps. They were among the first to go, along with the disabled.

That doesn't rule out that their economic agenda included some socialist elements. A big part of their rise to power was that they appealed to many different groups of people.

Exactly, he can speak all he wants. It's just propaganda. Meanwhile he's presiding over our capital city where knife crime is far too high.

Exactly, he can speak all he wants. It's just propaganda.

Like in East Germany when state tv was made to give good weather forecasts to boost attendance for state events.
I’m on a London Nextdoor app and every day there are posts about people being mugged, their cars stolen, their parcels stolen, their houses burgled.
All over London phones are snatched by theIr thousands, wallets pickpocketed, bags grabbed.
Yet Khan claims London is safe.

I wonder if @Bromptotoo would have been happy to have had George Floyd living next door to them? Living in a flat/apartment adjacent to their dcs? He was someone who shouldn’t have been out and about at all. Holding a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach (among other things) clearly makes him a fine fellow in some posters’ opinions.