What do you think of Lammy's comments on taking the knee?

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David Lammy has said he wouldn't take the knee for Nowak as it's just symbolism.

He was asked why did he take the knee for George Floyd, and he said it was different then because we were in a pandemic.

What do you think? I think he's right about the first point but don't understand what the knee has got to do with the pandemic.

There was another Labour MP on Newsnight this week who's clearly embarrassed that she took the knee and said something like "it was right then but that's in the past now and we shouldn't go back to it"

A police force in a different country with very different issues. I imagine quite a lot of men around the world get killed by police.

She is posting information which directly contradicts the specialist medical evidence given in court.

Would you not agree that misinformation (or disinformation) needs to be corrected?

As for whether the pp has an agenda - how can you possibly know? Unless you are the same person posting from a separate account?

No it doesn't.

I think Henry's death was appalling and needless and hopefully will lead to changes so something similar never happens again.

But white people in this country have not faced the centuries of discrimination and institutional racism that people of colour have faced and still face in the US which led to the symbolic Taking the knee.

It would not be appropriate to Take the knee for Henry, particularly given the way his death has been seized on by certain political figures to stoke up racial tensions.

I think taking the knee was a response of a particular time and tragic murder. It lost its value over time.

Why would that be the case, it’s not possible to n/c on a thread unless you’ve found a way to do it.

There has been question over whether he could have been saved from a trauma expert outside the court. Hopefully there will be more consideration at the inquest.

I'm not saying that it is the case, but if you are not the pp, then I'm not really sure as to how you can be confident that she has no agenda.

And yes, the inquest will no doubt investigate further, which is absolutely right. In the meantime, we only have the medical evidence that was presented in the court.

Because it’s typical for some people to accuse others of an agenda where it’s just a different opinion. You don’t think you have an agenda for some reason, but it’s just as likely for anyone.

@AnonymityAnonymity But white people in this country have not faced the centuries of discrimination and institutional racism that people of colour have faced and still face in the US which led to the symbolic Taking the knee.

and neither have black people in the UK. The US is a deeply racist country, this country is not in the same ball park. It’s having our institutions make policy related to that murder that has led to this appalling outcome. George Floyd’s murder had fuck all to do with Britain and our politicians were pathetic.

Although I support the Black Lives Matter movement I always thought 'taking the knee' looked ridiculous and was more about people virtue signalling than anything genuine.

Lammy is a fucking idiot. Serious hard of thinking. I am sure he did well in some exams at some point but he is breathtakingly stupid. A national embarrassment.

He thinks a man can grow a cervix and said women hoard rights like "dinosaurs". What dinosaurs ever hoarded anything? Its dragons isn't it you moron, Dragons hoard gold. So he called women "dragons" which is very Les Dawson in 1985.

He also assaulted a French taxi driver and racially abused him. He was randomly carrying around a rolled up piece of art work worth millions at the time.

He is a manipulative careerist who would sell his mother for a promotion or enough cold hard cash🤑

You sound charming

I'm just about old enough to remember Tommie Smith and John Carlos at the Mexico Olympics in 1968. You want to see a brave act of 'symbolism', Lammy?

They didn't lose their medals - although there was was pressure for them to do so - but they and their families suffered ostracism and awful racist insults afterwards (kind of proving their point, really - good enough to collect the bling for the USA, but not good enough for full civil rights).

Those are human rights badges that all three medalists are wearing. Tommie Smith was insistent that it was a human rights protest above all else.

That's what Lammy needs to focus on. Equal human rights for all. No ifs, no buts. No preferential treatment. No ideological biases toward his pet demographic group of the week. And someone tell Amnesty. Equal human rights for all.

They did kill him. Had they provided medical assistance as soon as they arrived. He may have survived.
Wrong. If I remember correctly, - Medical evidence said that there was excessive bleeding within his body.
That could not be treated however quickly an ambulance had been called. Judge pointed out that external blood would not be obvious, It was not in good lighting and he was wearing dark jacket.

Virtue signalling has gone mad in recent years.

There is a house in the next road which has had so many banners… Ukraine, BLM, Save the NHS, TransWomen are Women… and now they have a Vote Green banner! They must have a standing order for white sheets. They also have an ongoing plant sale at their front gate where the recipient of the sales regularly changes in line with banner…

I’d actually respect him and anyone else who actually had the balls to say this. It would IMHO be fine to say: “we foolishly got caught up in a movement that, in hindsight, had bugger all to do with the UK, its institutions or its policing. We should have known better and, today, I’d like to think we have moved beyond ill thought out performative gestures when what we need is to root out any and all policy initiatives and ideological influences that undermine the impartiality and efficacy of the institutions we rely on to protect us and uphold the law. We need to make sure that what happened to this young man never happens again.”

@Bromptotoo , what leads you to believe that the suggestion of taking the knee for Henry Nowak is not made in good faith?

Yes - and the third man on the podium (Australian) was ostracised for his support of the act. The reaction to it is thankfully something most people today would be baffled by

as with taking the knee, the bravery is not shown by those who have jumped on a band wagon.

Thank you for noticing 😊

Gut feeling!!

The Tories didn't kneel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv2ddgpn8qo#:~:text=The%20coroner%20said%3A%20%22The%20issue,of%2021%20years%20on%20Monday.

An inquest jury will consider whether "any act or omission by police officers" or delay in treatment caused or contributed to the death of Henry Nowak.

Resuming a hearing, Hampshire coroner Jason Pegg said the full circumstances surrounding the death on 3 December had not been fully scrutinised.

There was all that dreadful Antifa business too, which some people were keen to import here.

If I heard that emanating from my TV tonight on Channel 4 news (other outlets are available 🙂) I would stand up in my own front room and salute! This country is crying out for someone who has the balls to say it like it is and not give a flying fuck how any particular sentence they might omit from their gobs will play out with X demographic or Y focus group. I honestly think there would be street parties if we managed to find such a politician and install him/her into No.10.

Jonathan Hinder, MP for Pendle, gave a good indication that he might, with a few more years experience, be that man when he called out his fellow Labour MPs for being so pathetic about the trans issue.

There are doctors disputing this 😔

Hopefully the inquest will be thorough, but not sure how they can confidently say in court his injuries were not survivable, when an inquest is required because the full details ‘have not been fully scrutinised’

Some Tories did - remember that Boris Johnson adviser was one of the original presenters on GB News and the first thing he did on air was take the knee! He was immediately sacked.

To be fair to Kemi though, she argued against it and has shown consistency and moral leadership on this.