Nicola Sturgeon living in England

[TalkToTheHand123]

Is she claiming asylum? She must now realise what a great country England is after spending all those years trying to destroy the country. She is most welcome to pop rounds for a cuppa and a natter.

God who would read a book written by Nicola? It would just tell you off persistently for thinking wrong thoughts about her

She did write that short story on how Scotland is the richest country in the world ( if it wasn’t for the English) , a bit far fetched but she definitely has the imagination to make at least a good go at a writing career.

Out of interest why has Scotland never unilaterally declared independence? The SNP have been in power for nearly 20 years. There is clearly a mandate for independence from a representative democracy perspective. Why wouldn't they just seize the opportunity.

Most countries who've gained independence haven't sat around asking nicely for sovereignity - they have declared independence themselves and sought to build a self-governing country.

Because most people don’t want it

Even in this election more votes were cast for unionist parties

Because they asked the electorate and the
majority voted against?

Unilateral Declarations of Independence (UDI) by small countries from much larger, richer & more powerful countries which control their militaries, financial systems & currencies tend not to end well. Ask the leaders of the Catalan independence declaration of 2017. Actually, that may be tricky because I believe they are still in prison…

The SNP led Scottish government tried to become independent via the legal democratic route of a referendum in 2014, of course. The Scottish people rejected it by 55% to 45%.

Everyone knows it’s unworkable, It’s just standard identity politics grifting to get some power. If you keep people busy blaming the English for everything then you can indulge your passions for camper vans and pepper grinders without too much scrutiny,

Look I don’t see why England has to take her seriously. She is a joke, played on Scotland.

Tbh couldn't care less.

Same for Wales and NI too though

I realise that but the Welsh and NI MPs tend not to be as vocal as certain Scottish MPs.

Because most of them want Ireland to remain independent.
You are arguing that people who want their country to be independent of England shouldn't live in England, aren't you?

There is EVEL now, isn't there? (English votes for English laws).
Plaid Cymru MPs don't vote on matters that are devolved to Wales.

In any case, this goes back to the West Loathian question and is to do with the system where we have devolution, but not federalism. It's not the fault of Scottish MPs.

"why has Scotland never unilaterally declared independence?"

For independence to be realised, it has to be recognised by the international community e.g. United Nations.

I'm surprised she's not further away! When the news broke about PM the first thing I said to DP was that I bet she was at the airport as we speak escaping to her property in Spain.

(I don't know if she has a house in Spain I just imagine the she does)

Who Is it you think doesn’t want Ireland to remain independent? I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
No I’m not arguing people can’t live here if they want to be independent, I’m saying it’s hypocritical and funny when they do. Especially if they’ve made a living going on about the evils of a country and want a border with England and then move there, do you not find it funny?

Not at all. My only argument is that, if MPs from the other three nations that make up the United Kingdom are able to vote on matters that only affect England, English MPs should be able to vote on matters that only affect the other countries. More sensibly, only MPs from England should vote on solely English matters in line the same way as the MPs from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland vote on their own issues. This would be the fairest way. As it happens, l think we are stronger together, which is why the union has generally worked for so long. In any case, almost all of us have ancestry from each of the four nations, some extremely close, wherever we are born. Why can’t we accept each other as we are?

When you have a camper van, you can go almost anywhere quite easily.

"Who Is it you think doesn’t want Ireland to remain independent? I’m not sure where you’re going with this."

Hardly anybody. That's my point!

"No I’m not arguing people can’t live here if they want to be independent, I’m saying it’s hypocritical and funny when they do. "

Ok, so you are saying Irish people shouldn't live in England. Because they also want to be/remain independent. Also Indian people etc. etc.

Maybe she can flog her book out of the back of it.

"More sensibly, only MPs from England should vote on solely English matters in line the same way as the MPs from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland vote on their own issues. This would be the fairest way. "

And that's the point of EVEL isn't it?
Also, as I said, it's because the UK is not federal and is not the fault of Scottish MPs.

"Especially if they’ve made a living going on about the evils of a country"

She hasn't though, has she? She's against English rule, not England.

No I’m not saying Irish people shouldn’t live in England if they want Ireland to remain independent, I’m really not sure what you’re talking about. Do you think English people want to invade Ireland or something?

She whacked up the taxes in Scotland then hightailed it to England. Hypocritical tax exile.

You said Sturgeon shouldn't live in England because she campaigns for Scotland to be independent. Yes, or no, did you say that?