Would you vote for Angela Rayner?

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Sounds like she's throwing her hat in the ring.

She says she's paid off the tax she owes and is no longer under investigation.

This apparently means she's free to run - and is going to.

Anyone can talk about the right subjects. Producing realistic, workable solutions is a completely different matter.

And yes, everyone shits, but sensible people with standards don’t do it where they eat.

What bigger picture @NorthXNorthWest ?

Sorry @TopPocketFind I am all out of crayons for you.

Not much of a picture then.

Not much of an artist.

Just matching the energy you have brought.

That would have been a nice picture, alas you won't tell us what your bigger picture is.

Did you mean:

alas you won't tell us what your bigger picture is be respectful of our bad faith interactions.

No

And i haven't used insults or name called other posters.

I have had them directed at me though.

Some posters have repeatedly demanded proof of this, that and the other, yet much of the discussion in return has revolved around semantics, nit-picking and side issues rather than engaging directly with the core argument.

At that point, whether explicit insults were used becomes largely a matter of semantics if the overall tone and approach of the interaction remain unnecessarily combative and dismissive.

Given the nature of that type of exchange, it is understandable that some frustration can build over time.

They have got workable solutions, it involves changing visa rules to reduce the number of people flooding into the country, why do you think Labour are already doing this! Labour and Tory now have to mirror Farage or see their vote share collapse even further. It is a simple workable solution because most people will want to bee properly documented as oppoesed to chancing it in a small boat.

The problem is that Labour are ideologically opposed to this, they are only doing it to head off Reform, this won"t work though because everyone knows that if they won another election they will just go back to the globalist bend the knee to the EU project and open the floodgates again while British people are ignored and called racist for asking to be listened to on "multi-culturism". (i.e suppress wages, increase debt taking, prop up rents and house prices to benefit Big Bank/Big Corp)

None of the two main parties we have had playing pass the parcel for 100 years have produced workable solutions ( on purpose) why shouldn"t they be removed for a party that will implement the solutions?

People aren't flooding the country, I assume you have seen the latest numbers?

Did you read the part of my post that covered that? Reform want permanently out of EU/ECHR, Labour are just tweaking visa rules for the moment in a vain attempt to head off Reform, everybody knows that Labour/Tory are not really committed to this and they will be punished by the electorate accordingly.

The worst thing for all of us in this country, is for a far right party like Reform to get into government. I understand that they are saying many of the things that many people want to hear, but there's no substance or competence behind any of it.

The Labour government are terrible too, but not in the same way. They are turning our country into a benefits class and 'working people' (anyone who works for a living) class, who pay all the taxes for the benefits class to live off.. Which can only lead to more hopelessness, anger and resentment (depending who you are).

The best we can hope for is a competent Conservative government under Kemi Badenoch. If Labour supporters (any that are left) don't start supporting and voting for the Conservatives, we will end up with a Reform government. And we know what happened when Germany got their far right government, don't we.

Sorry this should be @KeepPumping I personally think Reform would be terrible in government, just a different type of terrible to Labour. IMO, just more snake oil salesmen inciting hate based on ethnicity rather than contempt towards anyone not on benefits and the elderly.

I agree that a Reform government would be very damaging for the country. But if Reform were to win the next GE, we would only have this governments and successive governments before it to blame.

Over the last 40 years, the shift towards centrism has produced increasingly managerial and technocratic governments, which has fuelled the rise of populist parties here and across Europe.

Democratic decision making has been sidelined, power is handed down through rules, regulations, treaties, quangos, courts, and institutions that we do not vote for.

Democracy is messy, and the electorate do not vote as they should. So instilling these apparatus into the system removes more and more decision making away from the electorate.

As a result, people who oppose the centrist doctrine on issues such as immigration, sovereignty or cultural change feel excluded and ignored.

They therefore support the party they believe is listening to them. They in turn are dismissed as racist, xenophobic, and fascist rather than having their concerns addressed.

Whether that perception is fair or not, it explains the growth of populist parties across the West.

I don’t think we would be where we are now if it wasn’t for Tony Blair and he hasn’t given up on his world vision. He will have his way!

I know Reform's populist policies. If people are stupid to fall for it than they will get what they voted for.

Just don't use the excuse 'but Rayner' or 'but Labour'

Agree

Although I would prefer a credible policy first sixth option beyond Labour, the Conservatives, Reform, the Lib Dems and the Greens. IMO the overall quality and capability across the board is woefully poor. I am not particularly impressed by any of them.

In the absence of that alternative, I am simply hoping the Conservatives can at least provide what you called “a competent Conservative government”. A kind of least worst choice. It’s pretty depressing that, in this day and age, this is where we are.

Yes. Competent was a carefully chosen word!

Yes we all know how we got here. The question is what are we as a country, going to do about it. Because at the moment, it looks like Reform could win the next GE, and that won't be good for anybody except Reform.

@Northermcharn, I did forget to say, the best outcome would be a “competent Conservative government”. What else is there, more of this or Reform. Neither thanks!

Rayner's an irrelevance. The impact this Labour gvt has had on increasing the number of possible Reform voters, is not.

Agreed