Would you vote for Angela Rayner?

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Sounds like she's throwing her hat in the ring.

She says she's paid off the tax she owes and is no longer under investigation.

This apparently means she's free to run - and is going to.

Yes.

I would ask the same questions of anyone. What have they done to suggest they can lead the country. It doesn’t need to be academic qualifications.

They need to be intelligent, diplomatic, a good orator, level headed, have solid experience outside politics, and have the humility to govern for country as a whole , including those with different opinions to their own. Look at Barack Obama - quite possibly the best example.

Farage is all over the papers. The thing is AR spouted 'there is one rule for them and one for us' and as Housing Minister convienently worked out that she needed to pay less SD than she actually did and was called out on it.

You would have thought bearing in mind what circles she moved in at the HOC that she would have checked.

100% correct.

ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!!!

Agree with this. Starmer's taking a battering in part because his backbenchers are squandering the party's opportunity to effect real change.

Personally I am sick and tired of revolving door politics and would like Starmer to just get on with the job of governing. If he goes, the new person will be the eighth PM in my DD16's lifetime, which is insane.

No

Thanks for your cogent reply at 10.02 @Safarisagoody. You make a lot of sense to me.
It’s Reeves’ ill-considered economics, backbenchers forcing u-turns, the out of control welfare bill which rile me.
As I said, I don’t vote Labour but I hope Starmer isn’t replaced.

What is the problem with her getting pregnant so young? Why is it getting lumped in with tapping into her disabled son’s trust fund? What have young mums ever done to you!

Would I vote for Angela Rayner? Well, I've just read this....
'The Telegraph reveals Rayner removed herself from the deeds of the family house, designates a luxury seaside flat as her “main residence” and saves £40,000 in stamp duty while sitting in Cabinet demanding higher taxes on everyone else.
Only once she’s caught does she “self‑refer” to HMRC and the ethics adviser, having already banked the benefit of the dodge.
Now, months later, we’re told a quiet settlement of the missing tax, no fine and a conveniently timed green light just happens to arrive on the morning a leadership challenge is expected – and we’re meant to shout “vindicated” not “very cosy indeed”.'
Just because Angela Rayner has had, and has fought significant challenges in her life, it doesn't mean to say that she hasn't done things which many of us feel are wrong.
No. I wouldn't vote for her.

Oh yes agree! When I talked about back benchers forcing U turns, I completely forgot Rachel Reeves’ lack of basic economic sense. Increase the cost of employment means increasing the cost of living. Companies don’t take the hit. They pass it on and they reduce jobs. Idiotic.

@ThisDandyWriter on what basis do you say that AR ripped off her disabled son? You appear to be suggesting she deliberately exploited him. That is a very personal accusation. Trusts set up for vulnerable adults are very complex and often misunderstood by experts in financial advice and parents rely on the advice of presumed experts.

Due to complexity the issue had to referred up to a level not normally accessible to gain clarity because of the unusual nature of the situation.

There was no wrong doing or moral failure - just an administrative cock up in a complex situation because experts are only expert in common situations. The trust was not set up to avoid tax (unusual except for trusts for vulnerable adults) or to avoid stamp duty or any other tax. HMCR and DWP are satisfied there was no wrong doing.

So can you give evidence that AR ripped off her disabled son or was found to have done so. Otherwise this is just spiteful rhetoric.

AR had half share in her house with her ex in Ashton. Looking at it there are rumours it was massively over valued. It certainly looks it and that was assessed at the time. Lets leave that to one side. This over valuation would have benefitted AR.

She then sold her share of the house to her son who paid her out of his trust fund meaning that the trust was light on whatever he paid his Mother. This means that going forward his trust fund is worth less than before.

Who uses their disabled son's trust fund to fund a move to the other side of the country with their boyfriend? She then claimed tearfully on Sky that she was 'nesting' with her ex. From 100's of miles away - yeah right!

I am leaving my house to my son in my will. I dont expect him to pay for it to enable me to put a big deposit and move 100's of miles away with a boyfriend.

I don't think I'd give any weight or credence to anything that the orange man-child says! Goodness me..! He's bonkers.

See my post @ 12.18

Same here, as I posted @ 12.18. An absolute #seeyounexttuesday

She thought she'd get away with it. I'd like to know where she has suddenly found the £40K she owed in tax. Is it earned income or who gave it to her?

The vast majority of people in the UK do NOT have £40k on the off chance they will have to pay SD that they thought they had got away with not paying

And why announce it today...I think she was fighting it. Saying she didnt understand and other such nonsense and then realised her time had come.

Interviews with ITV etc this morning and realised she better spin it out and pay up. This has been going on for months and months.

Of all days too. How bloody convienent.

Either she thought she would get away with having a chaiotic lifestyle and it doesnt really matter to voters who will be spun any old thing.

Or she really didnt think that she needed to pay this SD having worked it out herself with no qualifications in complex family situations.

Either she is sneaky and massively out of her depth

Or as thick as mince.

Agree

Starmer's taking a battering in part because his backbenchers are squandering the party's opportunity to effect real change.

Starmer seems to be operating as a dictator and the whips just tell his MPs to do as they are told (as has always been the case), not seen many backbenchers effecting any real change when they have only got a short term tenancy as an MP and expect to be out of a job shortly.

Yes

Maybe nothing, I neither know nor care about her boyfriend. But some may judge a person by the company they keep, or for holding onto a subpar male… look at advice and judgment from this forum.

@ruffler45 That's the job of the whips! Always was. Of course a party doesn’t want indiscipline and insurrection. It completely gets the government off track and becomes the story. Labour have far too many wet behind the ears MPs who want everything to go their way. When there’s a large majority, it’s never going to happen. The whips are right to expect discipline.

No, not knowing the difference between averse and adverse is not a question of accent. I couldn't care less about her speaking English with a particular, detectable accent. If she is as able as some people think she is she would have the grace to admit that she didn't have the best of educations and she would quietly ask one of her advisors for a bit of help with grammar and vocabulary. I cannot give you an exact example but she has been speaking in public for years now, and she doesn't always use the correct words, because she's ignorant of them.

Vaping and drinking on open water and very poor grammar and she is supposedly able to make key decisions on health and education??? !!!