Would you vote for Angela Rayner?

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Sounds like she's throwing her hat in the ring.

She says she's paid off the tax she owes and is no longer under investigation.

This apparently means she's free to run - and is going to.

Exactly! she gets called a drop out a lot. She didn’t drop out her son was botrn the February after she completed year 11, no more a drop out then the majority of people in her generation. I also became a mum at 16 and I know all about World War Two, have multiple books on it actually. Who said education only happened at school anyway?

Not that I’d vote for her but can’t help feeling some affinity for a fellow ginger and ex teen mum

Not a cat in hells chance! She's thick as mince and would make us even more of a laughing stock throughout the world than we already are.

How low has this country sunk under the stewardship of labour. They were forever calling out the Tories for misdemeanours but wow, this lot have sunk to new lows.

Sorry, slight derail but the following report from today makes heartening reading. I’m loving that the tories and the greens have managed to work together for the greater good (the council was in a proper pickle)…

Reform UK has lost control of Worcestershire County Council after being overthrown by a coalition.
Following a full council meeting on Thursday morning, the Conservatives have teamed up with the Green Party, Liberal Democrats and independents to form a power-sharing alliance.
Green Councillor Matt Jenkins has been made the new council leader, with Reform's minority administration being removed from office after 12 months in power.

I saw a tiny clip of Kier Starmar walking with Kemi Badenoch yesterday and there was a general level of respect visible. Not of each others opinions but of respect for people, for their intelligence and their positions. The kind of vibe you get from watching the Obamas and the Bushes together in formal situations. This used to be taken for granted.

I cannot see Angela Rayner ever bringing this to the Labour Party. She is representative of the sneering approach, the student politics which haven’t been tested in the real worlds, or been modified by developing the soft skills to negotiate a successful career outside politics.

She’s an agitator, so sure of her own position that she negates anyone else’s. Politics does need a level of this but it’s not leadership, it doesn’t bring people together and provide the skills required to govern millions of people - the majority of which statistically probably won’t agree with you.

It would be an unmitigated distaster.

I did not vote Labour, and had low expectations of Starmer going into the GE. I have pleasantly surprised at his performance on the world stage, and disappointed at his U-turns in domestic policy. He has shown no bravery in making difficult decisions despite the incompetent Tories handing him a massive gift of a majority.

I think AR would be brave in all the wrong ways - riding roughshod over everyone with no subtlety or intelligence. She does not represent modern Britain - educated (approx 50% of UK adults age 19-64 have degrees) and middle class (>50% of E&W are ABC1). I do not think she has the tact required to manage delicate relationships with Europe and the UK. Scratch that, I don't think she could manage the relationships in the Labour Party!

I do not doubt that she is bright and has qualities but she would be an awful PM. She has shown terrible judgement on questions of corruption. She does not know what a female is (yes, you may say that is niche, but if you don't know that, what in gods name DO you know?).

My list (out of those given) would be 1) Starmer (continuity and interntaional events) 2) Streeting (who is a bit of a snake, but managed the sex/gender thing well 3) Milliband (at least he is genuinely green 4) Burnham (what does he stand for, other than M'cr and himself?) 5) Raynor.

But I can't vote, am not in a seat where Labour matters, and feel, as usual, pretty disenfranchised and disappointed.

*https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/education-and-training-statistics-for-the-uk/2025#section-highest-qualification-for-adults-aged-19-64
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/approximatedsocialgradeenglandandwales/census2021

No I wouldn't vote for her.

Are you serious? Boris was called everything from a clown who combs his hair with a balloon to Etonian buffoon and a lot more, he didn"t care though because it was all an act, someone who knew him at school said he was quite a sober serious chap for a couple of years then the Clown persona emerged, like an actor getting into character, this persona helped him to influence (manipulate?) people a bit better as far as social and career opportunities it seems.

The problem with AR is that it isn"t an act, she doesn"t seem to even have the self-awareness to realise that it isn"t all about her it is about how other people react to you. Boris had a strong message about Brexit and the anti-democratic attempts to cancel the vote, what is the message that AR has that the country will gravitate to?

https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-half-of-keir-starmers-cabinet/

"funded" to the tune of 25 grand. If you can provide proof that it isn't true then I'll eat my own hat!

I've voted labour in ten if the last 12 elections. I wouldn't vote for Corbyn and I would never vote for AR. It's not her accent (I'm northern) and I don't know how bright she is, it's the fact that she is so inarticulate and uneducated and doesn't seem to know what she doesn't know.
Streeting will be tarred as the one who weilded the knife but I think he's the most capable politician. His timing is wrong though. Whoever succeeds Starmer won't win the next election.

If I had to rank
Starmer
Streeting
Burnham
Milk and
Rayner

No. I think she is a marmite person and would alienate a lot of potential labour voters, myself included.

Lol, you really using Trump as a compass of decency and of who's opinion we should value?

Proper made me laugh your comment.

No.

She's a member of the Labour Friends of Palestine, though?

Absolutely! Make it make sense eh?

It's like those saying they'd vote reform because the asylum seekers are harming their daughters. Granted, concern is warranted but reform is against women's rights! They are not a woman friendly party at all.

100% GO ANGE!!! 🙌🙌🙌

I completely agree with you and I'd in add Jess Phillips and her ridiculous 'never kissed a Tory' nonsense as well.

Agree with all of this! Same ranking.

I would like Kier to serve his time. I’d vote for him again if it was for the U turns - forced by the back benchers.

However, sadly the Labour Party membership would see the threat from the right and see the best way forward as a move to the left (see Corbin).

They also seem to go awfully quiet on violence against women in the news when it turns out to be a young/ middle aged white man who's the culprit, whereas they're all over it if he happens to be brown or black.
You'd think if they really did care about women and girls they'd speak up then too.

No

It’s the same mentality as MAGA. Their guy could not be more against improving their situation if he tried but off they go to voting booth quoting Instagram slogans.

I'm confused, because I thought the Corbynite rump had gone over to the Greens?

:Are you serious? Boris was called everything from a clown who combs his hair with a balloon to Etonian buffoon and a lot more, he didn"t care though because it was all an act, someone who knew him at school said he was quite a sober serious chap for a couple of years then the Clown persona emerged, like an actor getting into character, this persona helped him to influence (manipulate?) people a bit better as far as social and career opportunities it seems.
The problem with AR is that it isn"t an act, she doesn"t seem to even have the self-awareness to realise that it isn"t all about her it is about how other people react to you. Boris had a strong message about Brexit and the anti-democratic attempts to cancel the vote, what is the message that AR has that the country will gravitate to?”

@KeepPumping - I also know some people who were at school with Boris and claim he gave the most ridiculous leaving speech. The difference is he had all the advantages (educationally and socially) and therefore the logical conclusion is the man has some sort of personality disorder/oppositional defiance of some sort and we should not be unleashing that type of personality on the general public.

How do these weird out of touch characters even get in and then have a detrimental impact on the lives of the many in a very real tangible way?
It must also be something wrong in the system. Namely that politics and the House of Commons and the media spectacle rewards buffoonery, drama, game playing etc over getting the very serious job done of managing the country’s finances and keeping us all safe. The system itself is rotten to the core. I would much prefer actual representation for all voters in a proportionate way, and an end to all the drama. None of them act like grown ups anymore. We are in a very serious situation right now fiscally and in terms of terrorism threat/wars and they are ALL acting out playground drama, yet again. None of it is forgivable!

And whether or not Angela Rayner agrees with the bond markets and capitalism, she needs to have enough sense to realise they won’t accept her. Just like she should have just paid the extra stamp duty and then try to figure out whether it was due or not.

Absolutely 100% not, can’t think of a bigger potential disaster for the Labour party and country

Milk and?

Just did a search on Matt Kennard - independent journalist he calls himself, who published DeclassifiedUK. He is a blatant antisemite judging by his tweets and i wouldn't trust anything that he publishes. I quote one tweet (dated yesterday) in which he references the 2024 article you posted and then writes 'Britain is occupied. The (israeli) lobby has the whole political class sewn up'. Antisemitic trope at its finest. Meanwhile he has since left Declassified UK (in 2024) but his Twitter account is vile.