Would you vote for Angela Rayner?

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Sounds like she's throwing her hat in the ring.

She says she's paid off the tax she owes and is no longer under investigation.

This apparently means she's free to run - and is going to.

I would actually kind of enjoy seeing Rayner deal with Trump, honestly. Don’t know if it would work out so well for the UK, but Trump is such a fucking maniac that there’s no tactical or strategic approach that does work with him. All of Starmer’s careful plodding (which I applaud, it must have cost Starmer an awful lot to do it) got us absolutely sodding nowhere, because Trump is a spiteful chaos monkey with no executive function. It would at least be cathartic if Rayner looked him in the eye and told him to get fucked. Might even get her a bump in the polls. I’ll admit I’m not a professional diplomat though.

Can you imagine AR talking about gilts and markets. She didnt even understand her brief as Housing Minister and 'misunderstood' what SD she needed to pay whilst surrounded by bigger minds than hers.

It also isnt clear why she used a back of beyond conveyancer for her property purchase bearing in mind the people in the HOC who could have advised her.

Spin, baby, spin!

We need a mix, I agree-including’posh’ people and working class. People who have worked in business, people who have been blue collar.

but there needs to be one constant-education.

ion an interview. Angela said’ I though I was doing it proper’ she has been caught vaping and drinking in open water.

how can she be ultimately in charge on health and education if she doesn’t understand the basics herself?

does she know the reasons for ww2 (ie the harsh German reparations of ww1 played a big part?). That chamberlain’s appeasement strategy with hitler led to the invasion of Poland and the ww2?

basic knowledge that I dint think she has. Do not thick, but not educated.

I think having wc people in cabinet is so important. How can a rich/middle class person understand real poverty? I don’t.

but they need to be educated to be able to understand world politics.

I think Angela Rayner has achieved hugely and that is impressive.

I also think the right wing media will look for any angle they can to attack her, It is inevitable,

She has potential, but I haven't really heard anything so far that would inspire me to want her specifically as Prime Minister. But then, I haven't heard that from any of our politicians, in any of the parties. Most especially, Reform are a sort of vampiric nightmare preying on people's concerns about the world currently.

I would probably vote for anyone who has the chops to keep Farage out. I don't think Starmer has been doing a bad job myself and I can't see another option that is better than him right now.

|And for a socialist who just happened to have £40k around to pay the SD?

Who would have thought it!

I also suspect that the reason this took so long to investigate is that she was fighting it - then this opportunity came up to potentially be in the running for a way back into the Cabinet or even run for PM or DPM and she thought - sod it.

Let me pay it and say I was cleared. You werent love...

Of course we can partly blame the media. It’s all run by right wing barons who control what is published.
There is a humongous bias against left wing politicians. The amount of air time Farage gets is completely wrong given they have onay a handful of MPs, yet he or one of his cronies is on QT nearly every week, pushing their agenda.
Most of the newspapers headlines scream about the next bad thing a labour politician has done/ policy they don’t agree with. . I think it’s only the Mirror now that doesn’t.
The bots here and elsewhere on the internet pushing this rhetoric that left wing = dangerous 😂

I emailed my Labour MP exactly this earlier this week. It’s so bloody frustrating. During the latter Tory years Labour were so critical of the Tory leadership revolving door situation, and the fact it was so destabilising for us. And now they’re doing exactly the same. It’s infuriating. Just let Keir govern, and try and give the country some much needed stability.

As to your question Op, no I wouldn’t vote for Raynor, or Streeting, or Burnham, or Miliband. I want Keir to be allowed to continue to do his job and for the rest of their get their heads down and do their jobs too.

If Labour choose a leftie now, they will definitely lose the next election.
Totally agree.

If the hang on to KS they will lose.
Its win win if you're not a Labour supporter.
Not a win-win for me. I don’t vote Labour but I see the good, the stability and the moderation in Starmer. He’s educated and wise unlike his former deputy.

But the pain of the far left for two more years will leave us in deeper shit than we are now.
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Yes, I think you're right.

She has a NVQ Level 2 in Social Care which will be of great use in discussions with Oxbridge and Ivy League-educated peers...
She will bottom the economy, hand power to the unions, demolish women's rights, dumb down education, overpay the workshy and put Britain firmly at the head of the race to the bottom. None of which will matter because she'll be Britain's representative on the world stage and have the code for our nuclear weapons...

She is untrustworthy. How she can even put her hat in the ring is beyond me. It’s definitely a no from me.

"Spiteful chaos monkey" - love it!
I actually think Rayner could take him on, but I've no idea what the outcome would be.

Not in any lifetime, she’s repellent and the thought of that representing the UK on the world stage is just ludicrous. But there is not one good person in the Labour Party - look at them. Listen to the drivel spilling out of any of their mouths. Talk about a low bar. Not a statesman to be seen, not a shred of charisma, talent, or decency.

No, l actually think that statement could have been applied to any of the other parties at one time or another.

Never in a million years. I'd never vote Labour.

But the party is too misogynistic, racist and transphobic to elect anything other than a white right wing man.

Transphobic? Labour? These are the people who won't even follow the Supreme Court ruling and plenty of them say women can have penises!

The thing is Labour already lost the next election. There is no way round it. It would take a Miracle for that not to be the case. So part of me wonders if they think they may as well get a leftie in and put their policies in, as it will take the next government time to unwind it and they won’t have another chance for decades. The be hung for a sheep as a lamb thing.

i also think they need to keep Starmer, they are getting it badly wrong again. Yes he’s not capable, that’s clear, but he’s the most capable amongst them.

they don’t seem to realise it isn’t the leader it’s the policies. They are still in there dreaming up ways to increase taxes.

they need to keep Starmer, get behind him, and then focus on sorting their policies and the economy, winding back some of the hugely damaging stuff they’ve put in place. And stop trying to unwind brexit at this point, open up the North Sea, put the benefit cap back in place. And reduce taxes. Then they may have a chance.

but as said, it would take a miracle for that to happen. Instead there is going to be a bloody leadership battle, Starmer may win it, and the amount of damage they will do to themselves will be brutal.

No, there are over 400 Labour MP’s, are the ones being presented to us really the best on offer? Honestly it’s depressing. Starmer seems to have his own agenda and is ignoring everything else.

So there probably needs a change but I worry that the population will do it’s own tax strike by leaving or just giving up trying to run businesses and get on and do the minimum for a few years. Let someone else pay.

They all have their own agenda. This isn’t about the country, right now they don’t give a shit about the country, they are fighting for their own ambitions. They’ve totally lost sight of why they are elected.

No

Pretty much whoever takes over we are being softened up for a round of tax and spend, with those of us working and probably just managing taking the hit. I fear for the future.

Cringe 🥴

The bookies think there's about a 40% chance of her being the next leader, Burnham about 33%, Miliband about 25% and Streeting about 20%.

It's worth pointing out - this is to be next leader, not to win this leadership contest, so Starmer is not included in these odds (and the Labour rules are that Starmer gets on the final ballot if he wants to run, he doesn't have to hit the 20% parliamentary support).

Rayner is more popular than Starmer, Streeting and Miliband among Labour members, but less popular than Burnham.

The bookies therefore probably think that the final ballot for members will include Rayner, but not Burnham, and she will therefore win.

Never Miliband! - IMO he’s been a disaster for this country.

If not for his arrogance in thinking he was PM material - when he was the chosen ‘darling’ of the unions, and when he should have been bright enough to understand that the Harder Left does not win U.K. elections, we’d probably have had David Miliband as Labour leader and PM.

We wouldn’t have had Cameron, and we probably wouldn’t have had Brexit.