This post nails it about left wing voters on Mumsnet over the last two days

[ProudAmberTurtle]

It's by an ex-academic on X, about posts on Reddit over the last 48 hours but is equally applicable to Mumsnet, where I can seeing posts stating things like:

"How stupid are Reform voters? Don't they realise they'll get fewer benefits?!"

The irony is of course that it's those posters who need to be educated, not the working class voters they mock because they think they're thick.

Here you go:

Reading through Reddit threads in which leftists/progressives express their bewilderment/confusion/fury at working class English voters for casting their lot in with Reform, one of the things I'm starting to understand is this:

They simply do not understand how a government could help working-class people in any other way besides giving them benefits, handouts, and other free things.

Their entire mental architecture is premised upon the premises that

1. Working class people are poor
2. The only way for them to not be poor is for the state to give them free stuff
3. So left-wing parties need to promise them lots of free stuff

Then, when these working-class voters instead vote for right-of-centre parties who instead promise an economy in which they can build a career, start their own business, make a financial success of themselves and start a family, they're confused.

Because, again, in their mental architecture, what the working class are supposed to want is free benefits from the state.

But what they actually want is a fair shake at making their own way in the world, making money, getting on in life.

And the left simply doesn't understand that what these voters want from the state is an economy in which they can actually do this.

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I agree with you on much of that.

Do you think the Brexit debate politicised more people? along with populist politicians like Farage.

I ve always followed politics (supporting both Tory and Labour at various times) but i was the exception and avoided the subject but now, its everyone, friends who previously just muttered "they are all the same" are now "experts" in vaxx and climate change denial, post constantly on various issues from immigration to the NHS and strongly believe white people are discriminated against.

I don't know anyone who has gone from indifference to left wing views, tell a lie, yes just one person.

Who are the far left?

It’s from the pp this .

‘Now the far right are the working class. And the left are the elite.’

It’s not the case. Labour have lost many wc voters including trades mentioned below that is the case. But those who do still back Labour or Greens are typically not the elite.

That does not explain what is meant with the far left.

Who are the elite backing then?

@Alexandra2001 we clearly know different electricians and builders!

Far left was probably used as the pp used far right.

Re who they’ll vote for, I guess we’ll see at next GE.

Well, you are comparing apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but they still ain't the same.

I don't have time just now to fully review this another display of superficial knowledge, overinflated intelligence that is your trademark, I have pallets to move.

So who do they mean with far left?

You must have an idea who you think the elite will vote for?

I don’t. Big drops for Union members, but also I expect that’s replicated in the elite section.

Labour are losing to everyone everywhere.

Unless they turn it around people could go for any other party.

Those who don’t consider Labour left wing enough so they have to go further left which is the space the Green Party are currently trying to occupy.

That is a very vague non answer, an 'I don't know' would have been fine.

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So Green voters?

Thanks

The problem with the far right is they assume everyone who disagrees is leftist/ far left.

They are called thick because they don’t understand any of the arguments, data and opinions presented to them. Some people are not very bright and that’s a fact. They do happen to be the ones who are not interested in debate but just chose to believe in those who give them someone to blame it on all/ someone to hate. Hatred is so innate - you can’t fight it if you are not emotionally intelligent, educated about history, have no understanding of the world, or even of human nature.
Nobody would call them ‘stupid’ if they didn’t behave as such, but also they are not called ‘stupid’ as much as it’s made out. In reality, many people are genuinely trying to engage in a debate and listen.
The media has certainly given them a disproportionately bigger platform.

Not all Green voters. There are some that still presumably vote Green on environmental issues.

In the UK, far right for me is Restore, Advance, what is the far left's equivalent?

If you want your own words just use that and don’t ask.

I can understand knowing that Labour are losing to everyone is an issue for those still loyal.

I’m not far right myself more centrist. But I think you are making assumptions here about those who vote Reform in assuming they are all the same.

While it’s true that some people are not very bright, that is true across the political spectrum and some left leaning people are also not very bright. And you will have intelligent people represented across the political spectrum too from far left to far right & including voters who prefer the middle ground such as myself.

Do you think I am loyal to labour?

To me far left are those that constantly criticise the Labour Party for being too right wing & who may defect to the Green Party not because of any environmental concerns but purely because they see them as being the most left wing party they have available to vote for.

There’s a few who are, not many, more steadfast on here. Have they lost your vote too?

This is pretty much what the op is talking about and does the left zero favours.

Agreed. It is an attempt at intellectual elitism.

No, I still think they are the best choice.

I find you use of loyal strange. I am not loyal to any party. I am left leaning but float between parties and have plenty of criticisism for any of them.

Using your terminology, who are you loyal to?

So you do still vote Labour, I guessed right. I’ve voted for both major parties in the past and rn I like Kemi.

Again, the left is just not the monolith reform voters seem to think they are.
And nothing, short of joining in the xenophobia, will do them any favours.