This post nails it about left wing voters on Mumsnet over the last two days

[ProudAmberTurtle]

It's by an ex-academic on X, about posts on Reddit over the last 48 hours but is equally applicable to Mumsnet, where I can seeing posts stating things like:

"How stupid are Reform voters? Don't they realise they'll get fewer benefits?!"

The irony is of course that it's those posters who need to be educated, not the working class voters they mock because they think they're thick.

Here you go:

Reading through Reddit threads in which leftists/progressives express their bewilderment/confusion/fury at working class English voters for casting their lot in with Reform, one of the things I'm starting to understand is this:

They simply do not understand how a government could help working-class people in any other way besides giving them benefits, handouts, and other free things.

Their entire mental architecture is premised upon the premises that

1. Working class people are poor
2. The only way for them to not be poor is for the state to give them free stuff
3. So left-wing parties need to promise them lots of free stuff

Then, when these working-class voters instead vote for right-of-centre parties who instead promise an economy in which they can build a career, start their own business, make a financial success of themselves and start a family, they're confused.

Because, again, in their mental architecture, what the working class are supposed to want is free benefits from the state.

But what they actually want is a fair shake at making their own way in the world, making money, getting on in life.

And the left simply doesn't understand that what these voters want from the state is an economy in which they can actually do this.

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Thankyou, made me chuckle!

This was your answer where you explained your previous answer ? Quote :

"So, you’re ignorant or dim, and you prefer to hide it rather than engage and learn, yet we should pay a lot of credit to your opinions from the big man in China because …?
God of the Atheists, grant me some day the self-confidence of a mediocre man 😂
All these notions come from the Enlightenment, the French Revolution and the Human’s Right Declaration, which is a bit of a milestone in the history of the relationship between citizen, state and religion.
personal emancipation: you re a citizen free to live as you want, you are not limited or be forced to stay within the group, clan, caste, religion, community, etc, you are born into.
equality between sexes: nc
scientific progress: science over beliefs
freedom from obscurantism and dogma: be free to call out anything that is not science-based and/or that goes against personal emancipation etc.
dogma: any opinion that people are not allowed to question
hth, but it won’t."

Hands up who can follow that as an answer to " What British cultural things can't British do ?

You have one fan @RedTagAlan

I can understand @inkognitha

..and Badenoch bangs on and on about her Mac'd days and being an Engineer... as well as a dab hand getting around internet security.

Its an irrelevance but the right will focus on Starmer, same as they did and still do on his field, bought for his parents to keep their rescue Donkeys on but now makes him a multi millionaire as it's now worth £10m...... IF it had planning consent for 100 houses... which it doesn't and probably never will.

It’s so bad but it did get picked up on here, thanks to McSweeney. Who is now sacked - like many others due to Starmer.

Fortunately only a few are so loyal to Labour and Starmer these days.

They shed support each week.

Not according to the graph upthread.

Reform supporters multiply on MN, unfortunately

Come on Alan, stop dithering, it ruins your grandstanding.

This has nothing to do with me (and I replied, twice), you made a claim, I am asking you to elaborate. Could be anyone else reading and asking the same.

Farage, Chairman Mao, same cult of personality. Discuss.
Or get off the pot.

Yup. TBH I got sick of hearing the "My dad was a toolmaker" stuff.

But I never heard about any "clunker" associated with it.

Was there some sort of Daily Mail Expose, where he was a foreman, and not on the tools ? Or that he played radio 3 on the toolroom wireless instead of radio 1 or 2 ? Therefore, not working class.

Apparently his one man band business meant he was a factory owner according to some MN posters with a penchant for writing fiction.

Labour used to I suppose but even here they struggle.

And what was the clunker ?

Why do Reform folk seem to peak in some sort of code ?

A "Toolmaker" back in the day, was hardly well paid or particularly respected.

Our local Parish council worker/come grave digger was a time served Tool maker from Devonport Dockyard, he left the 'yard to work for the 'parish because it paid more money.

I thought it was the Tories shedding support? with Labour on 20% and Tories on 18%, so many 'polls but its bad Badenoch cannot make inroads on Labour, she really is an awful leader of the opposition.

Really? There used to be many Tories on MN bu they seem to have switched to Reform.

I don’t think so but maybe you can find something. McSweeney pulled a blinder for sure but it’s not really working for Starmer anymore.

Two years in and his own party are vying to get him out.

Idk I chat to people who like Kemi on here. As a break from the Labour stuff.

Ahh right. So he was a bourgeois exploiting the proletariat. Of course, if he was cranking the handle on a Bridgeport mill 95% of the time, and doing paperwork 5% , the 5% outranks the 95%. According to the right. He was exploiting himself.

But according to Marxism, he is a proletariat owning the means of production.

I suppose that is one for the political science academics to sort out. And that will really come down to if he owned the Bridgeport mill he was operating. Or did the bank own it.

I think only a few use toolmaker unironically anymore re Starmer, a few on here. It worked at the time but it’s more laughable now.

Even his own party don’t buy his leadership anymore.

Quote : " A "Toolmaker" back in the day, was hardly well paid or particularly respected."

I can get that in the eyes of the general public. But in the toolrooms and factories there was big respect. And a hierarchy of course.

One toolroom I was very involved in for a over decade had just 2 toolmakers. And one day we went through the experience in that room. Working back through their years, and the years of who taught them. We got over a hundred years easy.

The new grad designers who fed work into that toolroom were at the bottom of the pile respect wise.

What a load of utter bollocks.

Reform are not and never have been about supporting working class people. They exist only to divide.

What ?

Do you not know that near every manufactured object around you now has involved a toolmaker ?

Yes among the public, as can be seen on this thread, one reason why so many youngsters go to Uni, the hatred from the right towards trades is very clear to see.

As a kid we saw some of the stuff he made, i was friends with his DD, incredible, even then, early 70s, i couldn't believe he earned more money cutting grass etc than plying his trade.

It’s not really about trades, which of course are ace. Long may they last. But as a political strategy the ridicule is aimed at Starmer.

Except of course for those still loyal, on here. But generally. It did work but not now.

If it's not about trades, how the hell are Reform going to keep the country going ?

It's all about the trades. They are the people who make things.

You say it's not about Trades but reform are pro working class ?

Yes 100% its about ridiculing a working man with a trade, had he been a Lawyer, an Accountant or a City trader, it would all be good.

But he was tradesman, making things with his hands, so was fair game, even his sister (NHS) has been attacked too.

The first mentions of his father occupation came from a biography, Starmer didn't first bring it up but why shouldn't he? why shouldn't he be proud of his father skills?