How can people vote Green?

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The Greens are no longer the ecology party. They have been taken over by people who want to leave NATO, legalise drugs and don’t recognise women. I understand the attraction of a far left party but surely the original Greens don’t agree with all this.
Plus they expel people for refusing to recognise some members as fairies?
https://labourheartlands.com/the-green-partys-war-on-reality/

I voted green once as an environmental vote. Never again.

People are looking for extremes. We’re actually no different to the US, although we like to pretend we’re superior.

It won’t be long before we have some crackpot government of some kind.

We just need a sensible mainstream party with a social conscience rather than a belief that you can actually govern for every minority’s wishes.

We've had 2 crackpot Govts by voting Tory... i give you Boris Johnson and Liz Truss...

People are not looking for extremes at all, they are fed up of being lied too and are willing to look at new parties with no experience of Govt.... though in the case of Reform, thats not really true anymore...... Farage has made a huge mistake taking in ex Tory ministers.

Independent comparisons of party manifestos by groups like Greenpeace UK and Friends of the Earth still rank the Greens as having by far the strongest environmental platform of any UK party. Their policies are still centred on rapid decarbonisation, expanding renewables, ending new fossil fuel extraction and large-scale nature restoration. What’s mostly changed is that they talk more about other issues too (housing, inequality, public services), because they’re trying to be a full political party rather than just an environmental pressure group.

The order of ranking on environmental issues typically goes: green, lib dem, labour, Tories, reform - the latter of whom want to abandon net zero altogether, which is terrifying.

Sorry, but I won't be voting for climate disaster just because I'm worried about someone using the wrong toilet.

Sorry, but I won't be voting for climate disaster just because I'm worried about someone using the wrong toilet.

I agree with everything you say ... but I'm still worried about the consequences of Greens getting into power. Most of them aren't career politicians and have little or no experience in office. If they get in and things start to go wrong, there will be a huge backlash. The rightwingers will say, "THIS is why environmentalism is a baked-in disaster as a policy! Look at the economy! What we need is growth, growth, growth!" And then we'll end up with an even less environmentally conscious government, even though the economy probably would have tanked anyway (see Liz Truss).

Maybe this is excessively doomy. The only thing that gives me comfort is that Reform are (mostly) just as inexperienced, and are certain to cock things up the minute they get into power anywhere - indeed, it's already happening.

@Melarus Absolutely understand your concerns and I feel slightly concerned too, but I see the career politicians we've had in the past make an absolutely mess of things e.g., Boris Johnson, and we need people who are actually in touch with real life and real people not just charismatic con artists (I acknowledge not all career politician are like this!).

Having no experience in office is not necessarily a bad thing either, the civil service are there to support any government while in office - I actually think it could be a good thing.

In reality they are unlikely to get enough support to form a government, the best scenario for them is a coalition.

Given the current situation with oil prices etc - it seems even more important that we have a government who is looking at more ways to produce our own energy through renewal sources so we are not relying on imports in a world that has become more dangerous and volatile - and for me that's the Green Party.

Until the Greens come up with sensible policies around health, the economy, education, protecting women's rights and so on then voting for them because 'the environment' is going to absolutely shaft us. If anyone wants to see how they operate in reality, look beyond your narrow England-centric view and pay close attention to how they behaved up here while in a power-sharing Govt - it was only because they had the balance of a well established party and strong opposition that they were prevented from doing serious damage.

What sensible policies on Health, Economy, Education and protecting women have the other parties got?

All these areas have been wrecked by the traditional parties & between 2 and 3 women each and every week are murdered by men in the UK and trad parties have done nothing to stop this.

The Greens want Water re nationalised, the only way to stop millions of liters of shit going into Rivers and the sea, what traditional parties want to do that?

All they have ever done and continue to do so, is work with the industry who laugh at them.....

Slagging off the Greens whilst doing nothing about their own policies, is why the Greens are gaining in popularity.

I can't vote for any fucker any more. They either think men can be women, or they're the Tories or Reform.

Green are predicted to wipe out Labour in my area in the locals, and it's always been a safe safe Labour area. I mean, not that I feel that much sympathy for Labour, but it will be devastating for the party.

You honestly think that the Green's policies on allowing men into women's spaces and their determination to ignore the SC ruling will protect women? Honestly??

Interesting though that it was the Tories, and Boris in particular, who introduced the fastest and most ambitious targets for carbon reduction, were front and center of the global Cop meetings, and completed more renewable, particularly offshore wind, projects than ever.

The Greens want Water re nationalised, the only way to stop millions of liters of shit going into Rivers and the sea, what traditional parties want to do that?

This is laudable, and we all agree something needs to be done. Who is going to pay for it?? My water bill has doubled. My village has an old fashioned shared surface water and foul water system. Without completely renewing and updating the entire pipe systems, and those from each and every house, and upgrading the local foul water stations, and somehow making it stop raining, it will cost me, and you, billions and billions and billions.

It is a mistake to think that all Muslims are reactionary and Western European or US are not but full of the milk of human kindness
(BTW the initial rapid expansion of Islam over areas of the near East and North Africa, the cradle of early Christianity, happened because they were much more tolerant of other faiths than the intolerant, fratricidal factions of Christianity which were busy killing each other in various horrendous ways.). Iran eg elected a left wing Government post WW2. It was our Conservative, Winston Churchill led Government in partnership with the US CIA which overthrew it and installed the despot Shah. So much for our belief in self determination/democracy. It's hardly surprising that people in Iran and other countries etc etc have no faith in anything we say. Imagine the Italians, French,Chinese, Russians,Greeks whoever, invading us and saying you must dissolve parliament and have a descendant of eg James 11 to rule as a dictator. We wouldn't ever be happy and trusting of them would we?

I would rather pay for renationalisation and see price increase in my bills (they are going to anyway) knowing that money will be put back into the system rather than being siphoned off to share holders.

For the umpteenth time, the Green Party, and the Scottish Greens are two wholly separate political parties with precious little interaction between them.

The assertion you can predict anything about Polanski's party by looking at the Scottish Greens is materially no different to making predictions about a potential Plaid-led Welsh assembly by pontificating about the SNP, and basing your assertions on nothing more than the fact both parties support Independence for their respective nations.

And again, for all the moaning about "Green policy on women's rights", it might be worth acknowledging that every single one of the alleged misdemeanours and transgressions in this area has occurred under Tory and Labour governance, and persists under a Labour government, so constantly citing it as a criticism of Green Party policy alone while ignoring the reality of who has actually been in charge seems rather selective and a huge contrivance.

You really think that their policies are so different as to be completely irrelevant? Pull the other one, it's got bells on. Interesting that you see real concerns about the Greens snd their absolute determination to ignore the SC ruling, allow men into women's spaces and the reality of what that means for women as 'moaning'. Polanski certainly doesn't think that Labour or the Tories are doing anything to help the MRAs - only the Greens can do that apparently.

You really think that their policies are so different as to be completely irrelevant? Pull the other one, it's got bells on

I didn't say I thought this was irrelevant. The point is that they are repeatedly referred to on MN as if they are one and the same Party when they are not, so it's dishonest to compare them as if they are indeed one and the same.

nteresting that you see real concerns about the Greens snd their determination to ignore the SC ruling, allow men into women's spaces and the reality of what that means for women as 'moaning'

It comes across as nothing but anti-Green "moaning" when it's used as a stick to beat the Green Party with, cited as reason not to support them, but the reality of Tory and Labour Party governance ignored at the same time.

I never said i support the Greens or anyone else for that matter, i was answering your post.

The Tories and now labour aren't protecting single sex spaces, aren't providing single sex wards or the choice of a female Doctor, they've failed to protect women.
Its sports bodies that have stopped men in female sport, not a Labour or a Tory Govt.

The traditional parties have failed, have failed to change and show no signs of attempting to change, let alone protect women.

The two main parties cannot even provide a working AE service, maintain roads or defend the nation, yet you want to give them more opportunities to screw up the country?

Thats why the Greens are doing well.

And yet Polanski blames the Tories and Labour for trans rights (ie male rights) regression. Labour and the Tories are doing more (but not enough) to protect the rights of women (that's actual women) than the Greens have any intention of doing.

If the water industry was renationalised the money saved on dividends and bonuses would certainly help.

Neither Labour or the Tories have done anything to protect womens rights, the Tories had 14 years and murder and rape offences went up.

Now Labour are glacially slow to introduce changes and when they do, opposed tooth and nail by the Tories.

As the Greens have not yet ever had to have a full manifesto (when they could seriously be in power) we don't know what will make the cut or not.

After all, Badenoch keeps saying now is not the time for specific policies.

No you're right - there is no full manifesto currently. All we can go on is what Polanski has said, which is under the Tories and Labour trans rights (ie male rights) have regressed, and outlined ways that the Greens will address that. Polanski hasn't once said that women's rights have regressed, or agreed with the SC ruling to protect women's rights, or set out how the Greens will address the issue of women's rights being eroded by men.

Now there is no excuse for either Labour or the Tories not doing enough to protect women's rights, as it's not an economic question and it's not as though either can say "oh there's not enough money ".

That said statistically murdered rates have been steadily falling. Rape and sexual offences have been fairly static.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesprevalenceandtrendsenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2025 is the best thing ever

Rishi argued for single sex wards not long before he called the election.
Kemi is doing very well arguing for single sex spaces, in fact, she is the only leader who is. And I really think she is bolshi enough to carry through.

The Greens on the other had have made it clear they are AGAINST womens hard won single sex spaces.

So if it were between a party with 2 leaders that argued for single sex spaces, and a party that is DEAD AGAINST single sex spaces no matter what, the choice is laid clear.

In answer to your question about sensible policies, I will try to answer just on economics:

Conservatives want to create economic growth by cutting taxes for individuals and companies and rowing back on net zero to lower energy bills. They estimate the cost of this to be £17 billion (but the IFS estimates it could be nearly double this.
They plan to f. Uthis through cuts in public spending, which is not going to be a vote winner.

Whereas Reform promises to go even further on tax cuts for individuals and corporations to grow the economy. Also to completely do away with net zero to lower energy bills. They themselves estimate that this will cost £90 billion (for reference Liz Truss batshit budget would have cost £45).
Reform have not been very clear (cutting Gov waste etc) on where the money will come from for this, which should be a massive vote winner for them.

The Greens promise massive increases in public spending on health, infrastructure etc. Renationalise industries. Big push for net zero. The estimated cost of this is £160 to £170 billion. They say they will fund this with a tax on millionaires and billionaires, carbon taxes and increased corporation tax. The IFS have said these tax hikes are economically not feasible. This should be a massive vote winner for the 48 % in work that don't pay income tax or the 1 in4 on some form of benefits eg the 1 in 5 on incapacity benefits.

Nearly half of people in work earn less than £12,750? Really?