How can people vote Green?

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The Greens are no longer the ecology party. They have been taken over by people who want to leave NATO, legalise drugs and don’t recognise women. I understand the attraction of a far left party but surely the original Greens don’t agree with all this.
Plus they expel people for refusing to recognise some members as fairies?
https://labourheartlands.com/the-green-partys-war-on-reality/

I honestly don’t k ow what to dread more, a Green government with Reform official opposition, or Reform government with Green opposition.

A coalition between them…

Would you really be fine with sharing change rooms with these? https://x.com/listen2tish/status/2007959774604984591

You genuinely think legalising Heroin and Crystal Meth is a good idea?

Basically everyone is in favour of trans rights, but not at the expense of the hard won sex based rights and spaces of the female sex.

So you agree with them that female only spaces such as changing rooms, toilets and rape crisis/battered womens shelters should have fully intact males in them? Because this is the crux of the issue.

I wonder how many people say they 'agree with them on trans' actually know what that actually means and entails. A poll out recently shows 80% of the public support the retention of female only spaces. New poll shows most people prefer single-sex toilets and changing rooms - Sex Matters

No medical professional wants shops to sell heroin and crystal meth!

Jeremy Hunt is still hanging on because he threw £100k of his own money at his campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/03/jeremy-hunt-personal-donations-local-conservative-association-godalming-ash-seat

I think the Left have always had a kind of patronising benevolence tolerance towards Islam, thinking even when they say they are deeply religious, they can pat them on the head and say 'Yes of course you are' . So they turn a blind eye to fundamentalism, seeing the US and the West as the major evil in the world and Muslims automatically as innocent victims who believe in the silly Sky Fairy because they are uneducated and oppressed, just needing the more educated White Left showing them the way to true Socialism. Of course it never works out like that.

Not sure why you twisted my reply to that... hence the bloodbath in quotes, its very obvious we wouldn't have running street battles... but we will have splits, chaos and retribution.

I do think its good that you highlight Zia is there just as a mouth piece to help secure the Muslim vote and /or give the impression Reform aren't a bunch of racists.

I doubt Farage is 'Christian' unless it suits him- like Trump, but Islam is, as most religions are, socially conservative. Their views on social matters like homosexuality, the role of women, marriage, trans rights etc is miles away from where the Greens and the Hard Left are, and is probably more aligned to the views of people like Danny Kruger of Reform. Fundamentalist Islam is pretty hard Right. The people the Left are cheerleading (IRGG, Hamas etc) are basically Fascists.

@PiMCA With respect, you're all over the place. You think relying on US military is a bad idea, but you also want to get rid of the British Army, although you do acknowledge that it would not be a good idea to do so. How do you see us defending ourselves were we attacked?

I really wish people would just speak for themselves.

Both "Every medical professional wants..."
and "No medical professional wants..." are impossible statements.

Unless we have a high quality study or survey we can't possibly be correct talking like that. That study would be very unlikely to find anything unanimous. I expect 100 medical professionals would have 100 different nuanced views.

Particularly hate when remainers talk about what "people that voted Brexit" now think when they have absolutely no idea.

Just my 2 penneth.

Yes I know what it means thank you.
Nobody would suggest that trans women should be in rape crisis centres or domestic violence centres. I see no problem with trans women in most shared spaces though.

What do you mean no one would suggest that?

Any of the "trans women are women" brigade will say that of course these "women" should be in rape shelters.
An Edinburgh rape crisis employee was fired and discriminated against for even politely asking how to refer to someones sex accurately.
JK Rowling was bombarded with abuse for opening a single female only centre in addition tothe existing "trans inclusive" ones.

It's a little odd that (checks notes) concerns about less than 8% of the UKs population seems to obsess the other 92%.

I can not get my head round why some people - a considerable number of posters on here as well as the activists that have pursued the court ruling to try to keep trans women and girls from the WI and Guiding UK - are so obsessed with trans women, who make up fewer than 0.1% of the population, and are already marginalised.

Nor can I get my head round why Reform and it's break away groups obsess about illegal immigrants, when again, we are talking about around 0.1 % of the population. Again, people who are already on the very edges of society. Yet they seem to want to mention them in every statement they make.

Oh well - I stand corrected 🤷‍♀️.
I’ll still be voting Green.

In my opinion Zia Yusuf is by far the cleverest and most articulate senior member of Reform - although to be fair there isn't a lot of real competition!

I don't think that Zia Yusuf is simply there to get the Muslim vote, as we saw in Gorton and Denton by election there is very little support for Reform amongst the Muslim community anyway.

Instead whilst not all Reform supporters are Islamophobic I think it would be fair to say that the average Reform voter is more Islamophobic than voters of other parties. And it is also fair to say that Zia Yusuf is "used" as a counter argument as to why Reform cannot be Islamophobic.

Equally with the Greens not all Green voters are anti semetic I think it would be would be fair to say that the average Green voter is more anti semetic than voters of other parties. And it is also fair to say that Zak Polanski is "used" as a counter argument as to why the Greens cannot be Islamophobic.

That's up to you of course.
But at least now you know that a belief which 5 minutes ago seemed too bizarre for anyone to hold, is actually a belief that you can be kicked out of your preferred party for not holding.

And it is also fair to say that Zak Polanski is "used" as a counter argument as to why the Greens cannot be Islamophobic
I think you mean anti Semitic but I agree with you!

Yes - I meant anti semetic - apologies for the mistake and thank you for highlighting it.

The more persons you add to people, the less clever the whole is. Until you reach average.

Also people are very good at believing whatever reinforces their world view and equally good at rejected whatever doesn't.

Especially if their living depends on it.

No one in my roads Whatsapp group is talking about anything except pisspoor council services and the general ineffectiveness of the police. Colleagues report the same. It's almost as if real life is not just one long promo video for Reform:The Movie.

So you genuinely see no problem with a fully intact male getting naked in a communal female changing room? Or in toilets where a woman is fleeing to escape a male, having a miscarriage, etc?
You genuinely don't have a problem with these males in womens changing rooms?: https://x.com/listen2tish/status/2007959774604984591

Males are 50% of the population. You don't get to remove 1% of males from the other 49%, re-label them as 'trans', and claim they are 'marginalised'. A male in a dress is not marginalised. Trans have in in less than a decade managed to redefine women, remove our hard won sex based spaces and rights, redefined us as 'menstruators', 'cervix havers', 'birthing persons' and seen women sacked for defending our rights, infiltrate every section of society from education to health to government, and then still claim this extremely powerful group are 'marginalised' instead of the extremely powerful, privileged and protected sacred caste they are. Trans represent the nucleus of the power of the patriarchy. Only males could re-order society like that and dismantle womens rights.

This is about males vs females. Not 'trans'. A male is still a male. Re-labelling that male as 'trans' and putting him in a doesn't change that. It, in fact, enhances and strengthens the male privilege.

But there are literally court cases going on about this? And numerous cases of problems. How many do you have to see before you recognise there's an issue here? I'm not saying all trans people would be supportive of situations like the Darlington nurses havingto fight for a single sex changing room.

But to say that there isn't a problem is bizarre. You're saying nobody would suggest it. It's been going on for years!

Monster raving loony party mark 2?