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Why isn’t Trump being overthrown?

242 replies

itsneverdullinull · 08/03/2026 07:39

I’m sorry if this is a really thick question but I’m guessing that the answers will be multi-faceted.

Why isn’t Trump being overthrown internally in the US? He is presiding over a shit show and trampling over the constitution from what I understand. But there doesn’t seem to be massive resistance to this (or at least none reported). Can anyone explain why this is, please. Genuine question.

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Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:38

Bringemout · 24/03/2026 21:24

Because they have a democratic system and unless he illegally stops and election no-one should be trying to overthrow a democratically elected government. It’s what happens in unstable countries and you end up with a situation where governments are overthrown by the people with the most guns.

Anyone lucky enough to be living in a functioning democracy, even if you hate your government needs to appreciate it. I never ever want to live somewhere where its rule by coup. The people who come next are never nice either.

Also you assume he’s wrong about everything because you don’t like him. I don’t like him either but I think that he may actually get some stuff right. Only time will tell.

Things he may get right? Like waging a war with Iran without a strategy? Do think that beneath all the bumbling idiocy there’s really a coherent objective and a strategy for execution (of this excursion, you know, this little holiday to Iran 🙄) and an exit strategy?

I guess there is something called blind faith.

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:41

"yet you forget one thing, the power of connections and people knowing whats what in advance with the main stock market companies that then enables them to alter course "

Oh I agree entirely. He's a useful idiot for quite a few people, but I think soon will be too idiotic even for this purpose.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:41

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:38

Things he may get right? Like waging a war with Iran without a strategy? Do think that beneath all the bumbling idiocy there’s really a coherent objective and a strategy for execution (of this excursion, you know, this little holiday to Iran 🙄) and an exit strategy?

I guess there is something called blind faith.

yes there will be a strategy, trumps just the main figure person, how many military, intelligence services , various others involved ? or do people think America is asleep ?

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:42

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:41

"yet you forget one thing, the power of connections and people knowing whats what in advance with the main stock market companies that then enables them to alter course "

Oh I agree entirely. He's a useful idiot for quite a few people, but I think soon will be too idiotic even for this purpose.

depends, as long as he toes the rope etc

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:44

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:41

yes there will be a strategy, trumps just the main figure person, how many military, intelligence services , various others involved ? or do people think America is asleep ?

Well you tell me how that strategy is going so far?

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:46

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:44

Well you tell me how that strategy is going so far?

i dont have access to cia files so my analysis would be based on newspapers who only have very limited parts of the puzzle, for a true complete analysis then at this time its pointless trying to figure it out

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:46

"depends, as long as he toes the rope etc"

Not be long before the disinhibition is complete and he starts blurting out crap that is seriously inconvenient to his handlers rather than useful crap.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:47

so unless any of the public can say they know better than the Cia then yea

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:49

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:41

yes there will be a strategy, trumps just the main figure person, how many military, intelligence services , various others involved ? or do people think America is asleep ?

All of this nonsense and threats about obliterating Iran’s power plants and then having to walk back on them. Then declaring that the Iranians called the US asking for a deal.

Yes, you really are asleep if you think that Hegseth or anyone around him has advised him properly or whether they have a clue or more to the point whether he’s even listening.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:51

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:49

All of this nonsense and threats about obliterating Iran’s power plants and then having to walk back on them. Then declaring that the Iranians called the US asking for a deal.

Yes, you really are asleep if you think that Hegseth or anyone around him has advised him properly or whether they have a clue or more to the point whether he’s even listening.

Edited

and so are the public if they think they have any idea of what truly is going on

Crikeyalmighty · 24/03/2026 21:52

Imdunfer · 08/03/2026 07:42

There is no valid comparison whatsover between the two, imo.

Indeed- personally I would have liked to have got rid of Johnson and Sunak a lot quicker too . Systems just don’t work like that - however in Trumps case the bloke is clearly barking mad and corrupt as hell and his own party and republicans in the congress should be stepping up to out him- though they won’t, because they are frightened of repercussions and most are narcisstic greedy people with few morals -

BIossomtoes · 24/03/2026 21:56

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:23

yet you forget one thing, the power of connections and people knowing whats what in advance with the main stock market companies that then enables them to alter course and limit all the effects and even profit of the wars etc the stock market alters while the average joe is having their morning coffee

That doesn’t help the average Joe, you know the people whose votes he’s relying on in the mid terms.

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:56

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:46

i dont have access to cia files so my analysis would be based on newspapers who only have very limited parts of the puzzle, for a true complete analysis then at this time its pointless trying to figure it out

But I presume you will have some view on whether the US/Israel attack has been successful so far?

Seems that so far the Iranians have outplayed you, the regime has not capitulated and they now have the world by its balls with oil prices.

Are you happy with how much it’s costing to fill your car? For what end?

Or do you just believe it’s all going well because Trump has told you so?

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:58

"and so are the public if they think they have any idea of what truly is going on"

Hmm I don't think there are extraordinarily powerful minds carefully playing secret dark chess games with an overarching masterplan. I thought Boris and his crew were a bunch of coked up backslapping incompetents and Trump's lot are worse. You don't have to be terribly clever to get rich. A monstrous ego and an absolutely ruthless willingness to fuck anyone and everyone over to get what you want, plus a few likeminded - well, not "friends" , but mutually useful acquaintances- will do just fine.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 22:00

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:56

But I presume you will have some view on whether the US/Israel attack has been successful so far?

Seems that so far the Iranians have outplayed you, the regime has not capitulated and they now have the world by its balls with oil prices.

Are you happy with how much it’s costing to fill your car? For what end?

Or do you just believe it’s all going well because Trump has told you so?

nope because i dont know what the true objectives are or the true goals are, how many times in history did we get told it was a mission to achieve one objective and then years later the files said the actual missions were to do x instead yet were were told that the mission was completely different etc

for examples :

Historical Case Studies

The Norwegian Heavy Water Sabotage (WWII)

The raids on the Norsk Hydro plant in Vemork (1942–1943) are the classic example mentioned. Allied commandos, trained and briefed under the guise of preventing German industrial advancement, were told the objective was to destroy a facility critical to the Nazi nuclear program. While the surface-level explanation matched reality in broad terms, the operational planners knew that the mission also served to tie down German forces, provide intelligence for future operations, and test unconventional warfare methods in Scandinavian terrain. Postwar declassified documents reveal additional layers of strategic intent that were not disclosed to the field teams at the time.

Operation Fortitude (WWII)

In preparation for the Normandy landings, the Allies deliberately fed false information to the Germans to suggest the main invasion would occur at Pas de Calais. Many operatives and even lower-level commanders were not fully aware of the deception plans’ scope, reflecting the principle that operational actors often only receive partial truths to preserve mission security.

CIA and Covert Operations (Cold War)

Declassified CIA operations frequently demonstrate similar patterns. Agents involved in interventions, such as coups or paramilitary actions, were sometimes briefed in ways that emphasized immediate tactical objectives (e.g., supporting a friendly faction) without being informed of broader geopolitical goals, such as establishing long-term influence in a region or testing a new doctrine.

Vietnam War Intelligence Discrepancies

U.S. Special Forces missions sometimes targeted sites under ostensibly tactical rationales—disrupting enemy supply lines—while long-term strategic goals included probing local resistance networks or testing counterinsurgency doctrines. Operatives were not always told the full scope, and decades later, declassified documents reveal additional strategic layers

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 22:02

Operational and Doctrinal Dynamics
The practice of providing partial or misleading mission information is codified in many military doctrines. Key drivers include:

  • Operational Security (OPSEC): Reducing the risk of leaks if operatives are captured.
  • Psychological Management: Ensuring compliance without overloading participants with potentially demoralizing or morally complex strategic objectives.
  • Layered Command Structures: High-level planners maintain the strategic overview, while tactical operatives focus on immediate mission parameters.
In intelligence parlance, this is akin to “need-to-know” compartmentalization: only those whose role is essential to understanding the full objective are given access.
ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 22:02

Patterns are consistent across eras: WWII, Cold War, and even modern clandestine operations.
The discrepancy between perceived and actual objectives is an institutionalized tool, not an anomaly.
Misalignment can be tactical (field-level vs. strategic) or political (public narrative vs. classified goal).

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 22:04

And this is why as much as I wish @BIossomtoes were right about people pivoting away when their pocketbooks get squeezed I believe that this doesn’t apply to a large segment of his base.

BIossomtoes · 24/03/2026 22:07

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 22:04

And this is why as much as I wish @BIossomtoes were right about people pivoting away when their pocketbooks get squeezed I believe that this doesn’t apply to a large segment of his base.

It applies to any electorate. Hit them in the wallet and they’ll take their vote away. That applies particularly in the US where they worship money.

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 22:08

BIossomtoes · 24/03/2026 22:07

It applies to any electorate. Hit them in the wallet and they’ll take their vote away. That applies particularly in the US where they worship money.

I hope you’re right!

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 22:16

"Misalignment can be tactical (field-level vs. strategic) or political (public narrative vs. classified goal)."

What do you think yourself? Do you think there are actual US military and/ or political goals in the Middle East do you think it's just a convenient vehicle for chaos farming financial shenanigans and that Trump and his mates are insider trading their little hearts out.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 23:05

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 22:16

"Misalignment can be tactical (field-level vs. strategic) or political (public narrative vs. classified goal)."

What do you think yourself? Do you think there are actual US military and/ or political goals in the Middle East do you think it's just a convenient vehicle for chaos farming financial shenanigans and that Trump and his mates are insider trading their little hearts out.

it could be a mix of geopolitical plans and also make some £ for the war chest too as plans and operations are not cheap

JustSawJohnny · 25/03/2026 00:19

PersephoneParlormaid · 08/03/2026 07:41

Plenty of people would like to get rid of Starmer but that’s not happening either.

You may not like him but he's not a sex offender with dementia who's starting illegal wars, is he? 🙄

Alexandra2001 · 25/03/2026 07:00

MushMonster · 24/03/2026 21:16

I know. I am quite ashamed looking back. But I did not expect any of this. At all.

Doubt anyone thought he'd start a war that may well trash the world economy but he has always had wacky (nasty) ideals

My fear was over NATO and Ukraine, which has been born out, he made no secret of his admiration for Putin, with the real question being why?

What has surprised me though is the right wing who have continued to tie themselves to Trump.

Alexandra2001 · 25/03/2026 07:05

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:41

yes there will be a strategy, trumps just the main figure person, how many military, intelligence services , various others involved ? or do people think America is asleep ?

No realistic strategy, thats as plain as day to see.

Impacts on energy... Hormuz, inflation.... total surprise on the regime still in place, in fact stronger (in terms of its hold on power)

The people making the decisions are clueless as is anyone who thinks that Trump and those around him had any strategy.

Now we have the Trump negotiating with himself with bizarre claims of "prizes and gifts" from Iran.....

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