Why isn’t Trump being overthrown?

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I’m sorry if this is a really thick question but I’m guessing that the answers will be multi-faceted.

Why isn’t Trump being overthrown internally in the US? He is presiding over a shit show and trampling over the constitution from what I understand. But there doesn’t seem to be massive resistance to this (or at least none reported). Can anyone explain why this is, please. Genuine question.

Bu they can impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanours. They’d need 67 senators out of a 100 to ensure they can remove him from office and no sitting party will convict their own president.

He started to remove the naysayers from their positions during his 2016 tenure. He has continued to dismantle the instruments (all those checks and balances people talk about) and replace people in positions of power who could remove him from the board. He has made sure that he is surrounded by MAGA yes men (and women) who are all on the same page and will keep him in power and make decisions affecting Americans for years to come. This includes in the highest positions like the US federal courts.

He's basically the centre of a very successful personality cult. Loads of right-wingers who 15 years ago would have found his lifestyle and policies reprehensible have been sucked in and now believe he can do no wrong. Or people are frightened to speak out against him because it will lead to them being ostracised by their social groups.

And then there's a lot of right-leaning people who don't agree with him on everything but have decided the perceived excesses of the left (on sex- and gender-related topics mostly) means they must support the Republican candidate at any cost.

There's no mechanisms by which the Democrats can really do anything against him on their own; they would need the support of a big chunk of people of the right.

The thing I find so baffling is there doesn’t seem to be an opposition. I appreciate their system is different to ours but how is a government kept in check there? You can’t overthrow him and he’s surrounded by ‘yes’ men and women.

Why would they? I imagine he has an awful lot of supporters. He must be doing something good for the average American.

Unless he cancels them due to the war

You can’t overthrow a US President. The only ways to ‘remove’ him would be impeachment (which is very unlikely given the republican control of the senate), the 25th amendment (but he has to trigger it so that won’t work), him stepping down (no chance there) or militarily (but they report to the President and I don’t see a coup happening) or he passes away and then it would be Vance (what an upgrade).

You can change leader in the UK but it’s a completely different system in the US. In the same vein you can only be President for four years until you are re-elected and only every be President for two terms.

So yeah that’s why he can’t be ‘overthrown’.

He made it clear what he was all about during his first term, and 77 million people voted for him the second time. More than the first time. He's not being overthrown because almost half the country are on his side regardless of what he actually does.

It is likely that Epstein was a Mossad agent and collecting compromat for the Israelis to use on those in power, there were cameras everywhere.
Many politicians - red and some blue seem to have been bought off by Israel. Some had massive changes of heart over Trump over the years, most likely due to revelations and material that could be used for blackmail.
Netanyahu has been able to get the US to fund Israel; did Trump have no option but to follow him into war due to his fear over Epstein revelations? Whatever, it seems it could be terrible, unsurvivable as president, as so much is out there already.
I’m not sure the MAGA base is really with Trump now but it doesn’t matter as long as he’s in power and surrounded himself with the corrupt.
Maybe the failure of the world economy will be a catalyst for regime change but it’s going to be hard for the US to survive that as a superpower/ player on the world stage and will devastate the poor.

If you're bothered about fidelity to the constitution then you will know that you can't just overthrow the President because you don't like what he's doing.

I think Trump is a shit bag, dangerous to America and the world. I wish he'd never been elected and that instead of being in the White House he was a defendant in court.

But he did get elected, twice. So the way to stop him is for the other two branches of the American government to do their jobs better, and for the media to educate voters better. Sadly these things aren't happening nearly enough.

We can't just overthrownangovernment though.

Thanks. Food for thought here, and I need to go and do some reading too, by the sounds of it. Someone upthread mentioned assassination. I’m assuming that hadn’t happened because Vance would just step-in and nobody would be any better off anyway?

Not just your opinion. There is nothing remotely comparable.

The but Starmer posts whenever Trump is mentioned is tedious.

I say that having not voted for Starmer.

Thank you for that, it gives me hope.

Why isn't Starmer overthrown? Because we live in a democracy and so does the US. And Starmer is doing a lot worse job of running this country than Trump is running America.

Even if you did remove trump, there's all the people who put him there. People who like the idea of USA kicking ass and taking it's rightful place in the world. People who think that the USA is overrun with illegals. People who care less about principles of democracy than they do about their own life and circumstances. People who think that God should be in the white house (despite the founding fathers very much not wanting the state to interfere in religion). Most people who voted for him believe that the previous election was stolen - the Dems never really successfully challenged this narrative. Something I find striking about usa politics is that both sides are no entrenched, there's zero goodwill to the other side, there's no trust. I also have a great deal of respect for republicans who don't support Trump, like Mike pence choosing the constitution - as Dumbledore says it takes courage to stand up to our enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to our friends.

If you're really interested in what lies behind then I have 2 podcasts to recommend; the coming storm and Will be wild.

That's not the same?! Trump is acting unconstitutionally. He's literally breaking the law. Starmer is just unpopular.

I read a really interesting article about the whole area of the US constitution. Apparently, the Founding Fathers based the rights and privileges of the President upon the monarchical model (or what they imagined that to be) of power invested in one man,whereas the UK political system has evolved. It was summarised as the UK is a republic disguised as a monarchy, whilst the US is a monarchy disguised as a republic - made sense to me!

Oh me too. I'm a natural conservative, small c, currently homeless as I just can't see a party I can vote for at the moment.

I have no love for Starmer or anything much that he's done except for keeping us out of the Iran attack, but to compare him or our political situation with the madman in the Whitehouse is ridiculous.

Did you type this laughing? Another serious post from you @Viviennemary NOT 🙄

Because he's the face of the NWO now that theyre comfortable taking the mask off. Being comfortable with all of the past monstrisities because of the pretty lies and bs they sold us to go along with it all is what led directly to this. In a nutshell, "oh no! Now its affecting me!!"

Thanks for this post.

There is so much talk about the mid-terms being cancelled. What do you think about the probability of this?

and why do you think it is not ?

He’s democratically elected.

He has trampled over the constitution several times, most recently by going to war without the agreement of congress.

There does not seem to be a method of removing a president they have lost faith in as we saw with Biden at the end.

There is a method of removing a prime minister in the UK as we have seen happen in recent years.

Are you supporting assassination?

Democracy is accepting what people vote for.