Kemi just called us all stupid..again

[beguilingeyes]

Badenoch is on BBC News standing in front of an armoured vehicle (she's not sitting in a tank yet, but give her time).
When told that the majority of Britons don't want to be involved in this war, she said that we would be if we understood what it meant.
She's happy to have a conversation with the PM, obviously he's too stupid too.
Only she has the intellect required to want to bomb people.

Absolutely it is not that simple or clear cut and nuanced. Absolutely there will be LGBTQ people who will willingly sign up if asked and indeed the MOD finally recognises that someone's sexuality has nothing to do with their ability to do a good job in the military.

And equally there are young men that are left wing who would be willing to join up.

But the statistics are that only 11% of Brits aged 18-27 would be willing to fight for the UK and 41% would actively avoid joining the military no matter what the reason.

And if we take a gross generalisation then the majority of people needed to do the fighting are more likely to be 18-27 men rather than 58 year old mums on MN.

And if we take another gross generalisation then the majority of the 18-27 willing to fight are more likely to be white right wing young males, working as say a construction worker in Sunderland rather than a female left wing with progressive views working in HR in Birmingham.

The point is why should the young males volunteer to fight and potentially die in order to protect the rights and freedoms of those that a) don't like or look down on them and b) aren't willing to join up and fight to protect their own rights and freedoms, all the while when under a brutal authoritarian regime the white right wing young males would be the least affected.

So no I don't see why logically they would want to sign up to protect the UK.

Do you have any real experience of anyone that’s served, or recently served in any branch of our military?
I suspect not. It’s a very different place than that you seem to think it is. And anyone can spout one sided garbage theories.

@1dayatatime You seem to be linking white working class with right-wing; I grew up working class in a north (west) town and those communities are more typically Labour/Left (as is Sunderland, I believe). Or are you implying that it’s the Reform effect? Because I’ll be damned if I’ll be lectured by public schoolboy millionaires who avoid tax and vote against workers’ rights who claim they genuinely understand and care about the working class - or have any decent policies to improve their life chances. It isn’t the likes of me who look down or despise the working class. And it wasn’t the likes of me who were saying we should do more to support Trump and Netanyahu’s attacks on Iran - I’m sure neither Farage or Tice will be volunteering their offspring to any wars.

My grandad fought in WW2 and was brought up in poverty because his dad was killed in WW1 (having signed up straight from the factory in 1914) - these experiences made him left-wing and anti-war. Would that make him woke these days? These people would wipe the floor with the likes of Farage. I can’t speak for everyone, and neither can you, but the last thing I want to see is white working class young men, or anyone else, regardless if they’re left or right wing, be dragged into a war by leaders who will never experience conflict.

I’m not getting sidetracked by the DEI stuff, but anyone who can look at the likes of Pete Hegseth - a bigmouth on DEI - and claim he is the epitome of being the best person for the job is deluded.

But you don't know any of this, ime the rightwing less educated are often total cowards, they have no belief systems, so have nothing to fight for.... look no further than Tommy Robinson or Andrew Tate, hero's to some but the reality is they believe in nothing but their own gratification no matter the cost to their victims.
Trump would be another, a coward, a right wing coward.

Also, what someone says in a poll, during peace time, is often totally different to what they would really do in an invasion style situation.

Did someone mention bone spurs?

On the left wing / right wing maybe you're right or maybe I'm right and it's probably a distraction.

But what is clear is that the majority of people in society expected to join up and fight will be working class males aged 18-35. It is exactly this group that would be least affected by any authoritarian regime taking over in the UK.

So my question is why would they want to do this and what's in it for them, when those that are least likely to be expected or willing to fight are the ones that would suffer most under a brutal authoritarian regime.

As for your comment about polls in peace time, yes when faced with a threat people's views do change. But this is not an overnight change. Remember that at the start of the 1930s the majority of people were against fighting in another war and it took nearly ten years of territory grabbing by Germany to change attitudes. Sadly I don't think that the UK has the luxury of ten years to change people's attitudes, which basically leaves surrender as the default option (along with a woeful lack of defence spending since the end of the Cold War).

So who is going to invade Western Europe?

Its not Russia, they cannot even take a small country of just 44m people, Russia has a GDP the size of Italy.... European military equipment is far better than its Russian counter parts and Russia has lost huge number of men and machines....
Yes Europe is slow to re arm but they will or rather the main players will spend more, as Germany is doing.

The threats to our way of life come more from the USA and Israel than anything from Russia

Also, allow me to correct you, Nazi Germany didn't annex or invade any area/region or country until 1938 (Austria then the Sudetenland) ... War declared a year later, after Poland was invaded.

It’s all very well to stand up to him. But when your economy crushes, those words come back to haunt you. Many of us tell our children to ignore the bullies and keep away from them, not to make things worse.

I don’t like her, but she’s partly right. 🤷‍♀️